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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:51 pm 
 

TheUnhinged wrote:

LithoJazzoSphere wrote:
Darzamat's album last year, A Philosopher At the End of the Universe, has toned the bombastic keyboard orchestrations way back and the atmosphere now comes from copious reverb/delay and other effects on the clean and lead guitars.

I think a more accurate listing now would be: "Symphonic Black/Gothic Metal (early); Melodic Black/Gothic Metal (later)"

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Darzamat/2129

https://open.spotify.com/album/4qFbwUrCc6aIncEVxsJuzp


I'm pretty familiar with this band, but I haven't heard this newest album yet. I'll give a try and see if it's worth adjusting.

EDIT: So I'm listening to it now, and you are right, there are no synths here. That being said, it feels like kind of a bulky tag for an otherwise subtle change. They have kind of rotated between symphonic black, gothic/black, and plain gothic metal throughout their career. For instance, Oniriad isn't a black metal album at all. I think it would be best to just leave it as is for now, as it ties in all the different elements their sound has touched on over the years.


Fair enough. Actually, I try not to think about Oniriad at all, lol. Do you think another album or two in their current style would merit reevaluating their tags?

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TheUnhinged
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:12 pm 
 

LithoJazzoSphere wrote:
Fair enough. Actually, I try not to think about Oniriad at all, lol. Do you think another album or two in their current style would merit reevaluating their tags?


I almost was leaning towards “symphonic black metal (early), gothic/black metal (later)” as I feel they overall became a bit more riff-driven from the time Nera joined the band. That being said, In the Flames of Black Art also had some very straight-up gothic metal riffing… plus Transkarpatia was still pretty symphonic sounding.

In the case of a band like Dismal Euphony, it felt a bit more straightforward as they had two albums of super symphonic sounding black metal, then switched to a less synthy, more riffing gothic black direction. Darzamat have kind of gone through periods of being more blackish, more gothy, more symphonic, to the point that it’s hard to really nail down one era of their music being significantly different from their others without pointing out other different nuances of their other albums.

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BuriedUnborn
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:22 am 
 

Unheilvoll's genre should probably be Depressive Black Metal. The music has a more melancholic and melodic sound than regular black metal, the songs are quite long, and the lyrics are just typical DSBM stuff.

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TheUnhinged
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:37 pm 
 

BuriedUnborn wrote:
Unheilvoll's genre should probably be Depressive Black Metal. The music has a more melancholic and melodic sound than regular black metal, the songs are quite long, and the lyrics are just typical DSBM stuff.


Changed.

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Heliogabalus
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:07 am 
 

Hello there,

I would suggest to change Batrakos's genre from "raw black metal, noise" to "black metal (early); drone/ambient (later)". As we stated in a promo blurb written for Xenoglossy Productions (see here: https://xenoglossyproductions.bandcamp. ... m/phrqncys ), we abandoned black metal elements on this project.

Some minor stuff: probably our early material wasn't that "raw", so "black metal (early)" is fine in my opinion. Also, noise music was more an influence than a part of our sound at the time. You could even keep it, but I think "black metal (early); drone/ambient (later)" would be even more coherent.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ba ... 3540406554

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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:40 am 
 

Hello
I believe Cales' genre should reflect that their great 2003 album, Uncommon Excursion has a style which is clearly different from the rest of their discography:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... sion/36108

The genre tag I'd suggest is:
Melodic Doom/Pagan/Folk Metal (early/later); Alternative Metal/Post-Grunge (2003)
or
Melodic Doom/Pagan/Folk Metal (early/later); Alternative Rock/Post-Grunge (2003)

I think this album could be enjoyed by anyone who's into this alternative metal/post-grunge sound and reflecting this could help people looking for that sound find it.

It's clearly acclaimed everywhere I've seen (even if it seems to have few listeners):
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ion/36108/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... excursion/
I've long considered writing a review for it since it's an album I really like.

You can listen to it here:

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LLVUI ... NEvx50Lvmo

https://www.deezer.com/us/album/233599?autoplay=true

For this one you'd have to purchase the album:
https://blackosh.bandcamp.com/album/uncommon-excursion

I didn't create a report for this since I condered there should be a discussion regarding this.

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I Am the Law
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:34 pm 
 

Wrath of Fate should probably be updated. They definitely don't just play death metal. Maybe they are closer to death metal on the first album Blood Congress but on the second one they sound closer to some variety of progressive/djent type of music with a bit of death metal influence.

https://open.spotify.com/album/6A8upZSiAb0xcjanyzKF6Y
https://open.spotify.com/album/6fY7b2oTOfDFUxSsTdarOF

Also, Chronoclast should be updated as well. This band is some sort of post-/progressive mashup with some death metal influence.

https://chronoclastdeathmetal.bandcamp.com/music

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:46 am 
 

Mudoven: The band never played heavy metal, not on one of their releases. My report was closed wothout word of explaexplantion, apparently because Isome momoderators do not like , when I point out obvious mistakes in relation to rac and hatecore bands. Theis is absolutely unempathical oand qite immature , so I haope, that rationality will prevail in the end and it won't be refrefused without reason.
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1481 vcn't
https://ulozto.cz/file/dVRfhBhW0vES/mud ... OnLmEcLwp3


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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:53 am 
 

Gnadenlos : After more than half a year, my report regarding their genre was closed wiwithout an explanation. I have made the report actually before the band was accepted. Their ep, "Wie ihr uns nennt" is namely pure rac and not groove or heavy metal., quite objectively. It is it is the one with more tracks than their split and more substantial one, so I wonder,if the band shuld even be accepted. Again, please judge objectively:
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11970
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4076
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gn ... 3540495916
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/771747

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:46 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Mudoven: The band never played heavy metal, not on one of their releases. My report was closed wothout word of explaexplantion, apparently because Isome momoderators do not like , when I point out obvious mistakes in relation to rac and hatecore bands. Theis is absolutely unempathical oand qite immature , so I haope, that rationality will prevail in the end and it won't be refrefused without reason.
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1481 vcn't
https://ulozto.cz/file/dVRfhBhW0vES/mud ... OnLmEcLwp3


There was a detailed explanation sent in the warning message yesterday, so don't give me that. There is nothing immature about not wanting to waste more time reassessing such bands, when the reason that you bring them up is because of the lyrics rather than the music - and there are over 1,100 active reports. More times than not, the music is fine in the bands that you suggest deleting. Also, you've been asked NOT to bring up NS/RAC bands in the forum - but here we are again. You are the one being immature, like usual.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:00 am 
 

You know what? I have not read the yesterdays messge yet, that's because I'm blind and did not even notice, that I got one.
I am deeply disappoknted in you, I thought, that you are fair, but it seems ,that you have accomodated yourself rather quckly and became a snobish, heartless nad unempathic person like the rest of the bunch. When I have returned to the page , i had my fears, of what the interaction will belike, but that I wuolld not imagine in a nightmare. The constant claims , that the site had greatly improved, but at the same time and absolutely elistist, snobbish approach to almost everything. When you are a common user, your opnion isn't worth anyanything. As Derigin said, wwe can't be slaves to our users wishes or, something to that accont. Y He also made clear to me, that since I'm not a moderator anymore, Icn'my opinon is worth as much as his and the rest of the staff. Every time I came up witha critical remark, it was thrown back by a statement, that this is not my call etc. But not being in a fucntion aauttomatically means, that my opinon isn't worth as much as in the past? I thinnk not. The heatles approach was demonstrated by the fact, that I got sarcastic, hhumiliating comments form some moderator and when I defended myself using the same method, i got the wrning, that stuff is not my punching bag.
I have proposed genre changes for the bands based on objective facts, not on their lyrics. Wjhen you prefer to keep them with worng genre tags, o.k. , but it wil be extremely idiotic and silly. But havhaving a last word is probably more to you than to have a correctly listed bands. i hav proposed the band based on their music , not just lyrics. I was foolish enogh to admit openly , that their music is ot the only base, when i am against themthem, which was promptly misused by moderators and some users to hhihhumiliate me even more. How is the moral level of oeple , who do this?
Finally this is a good database, but the elissnobish approach of most of the staff, their convincition, that they are the wiesest being on the planet and that they have patent for truth and that they can manipulate people , how they want , is what is binging it down . As i touhgt , I believed , that you are differnt. b
BButh I was trterribly wwrong.
I would wish everone in staff to be at least five minites in my current situation. Only five minutes, no longer, but I bet it wld make you swallow every humiliating word you have ever said to me sinc my return.
I repeat again, I did bring up the bands for musical reasons, not only ideological ones. But people do notice, I shows the recent thread on the S& Q forum. Also considering the recent troubles , which the site has in Russia. The calls will mmultiply and yit won't be enought for the ffuture to only say , that you list such bands only for archival purposes. You may silence me, but others will come and will point the fingers.
I only feel a bit saisd, that after all I have done for the site bbefore my ilness, all I get mnow is snobbish approach, arrogance, humiliation, personal discrimination not based on any written rule. You obviously do not understand , beingunempathic ain all, what you say or do , hat every very such vicious act of spite and unabashed didiscrimination is a virtual kick you give to me , which is the least i nneed, especially in my current state.
But you must, you ate the supreme ones, a fearless team, who iaia above al, who has ttthe mandate to judge others as some cout.
I have still some bands in the "Potential additons" thread, but reallylose any will to contribute anymore, when I must think every day I visit the site of what your able to do to just have your way and to which measures you are able to stoop.
You were all angry, and rightfully so, when some glam fans wee bothering and constantly mocking you for deleting baglam bans. But what I get for bringing up shitty , non metal nazi bands...

Everybody can now just for themselves, if for example the second Arysan album is metalcore ooior inindustrial:
http://88nsm.com/11106-arysan-ii-this-i ... -2016.html
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11970

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:03 am 
 

Even if you didn't read yesterday's message (that has been marked 'read' since then), you've surely read the dozen others asking you to cut it out with obsessively bringing up RAC/hatecore bands. It shouldn't be a disappointment when you're asked/expected to hold up your end of that. What is disappointing is that as many chances as you've had to do a few simple things that are occasionally asked of you, it's got to be your way with no compromises, and is always only a matter of a month or two before another long, emotional rant ends up somewhere on the forum penned by Witcher. There are things that you should take into consideration, like how it grinds the patience of a person who kindly asks something of you and sees that you ultimately choose the self-serving route, and are ready to fling mud at them if they speak a reminder of it to you. This golem-esque approach doesn't benefit a collaborative environment.
I'm sorry about your condition, Witcher. Hopefully you've noticed that I take care of a lot of the things that you request my attention about, and fill in all of the information that I can when you add a new band, researching to try to find additional information and photo editing the logo and band photo to try to get a decent page together for them. It has got to be a really terrible thing to live with. I'm not without sympathy about it, but still view you as a metal fan and contributor here, and don't think that it's out of line to point out noted immature behavior, and disregard of what is being asked with reasons given. We can't invalidate ourselves from personal accountability because of the burdens that we bear.
I helped track down countless rare recordings through trades that involve me going to the post office and paying the outrageous prices of nowadays to ship packages out via registered international mail for you, offered to send you the music, have always been friendly to you through interactions. The minute that I have to send somewhat of a harsh truth your way, I'm "snobbish, heartless, and unempathic". No one that knows me in real life feels that way, and those are the people whose opinion matters to me the most. Within a forum, with a goal to make progress on the site in mind, many things can be easily lost in translation, and words can be taken the wrong way. Truths are revealed at times, regardless - and yes, I've read through some of your other rants and find them immature. It is good for you to know that, so that you can consider alternative and more effective ways to blow off steam.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:55 am 
 

All the adjectives I have used, do not concrn only you , but laso theo other staff members, which I had a conflict with. You talk about patience , but the is no one sided. Waht about my patience, when I see non.etltallica, shitty rac bands being added every day and when I bring them up, al i get is humiliation , misunderstanding and the ting leke that.Thjat is the lack o fempathy. You are unable to view things from my point of view.
And rants? ou cal legitimate compllaints by a handicapped person "rants? That's the arrrogance I was taling about. I was alaways trying to be argumentative in most of my posts on the forum. to call them rants is just another attempt to hihumiliate me. I gues, that you were taoght by other ms ensenor members of sthe staff how to deal with my requestss, since you originally weas not against the idea of dong the cleanse -up of rac bands on the forum. The also shows something about the genral approach of the staff towars my person.
But to let some bands with a wworwrong genre just to prove your point, that's immature and foolish, so what are you accusing me baout.
And doing what is expected from me? I won't change my opnioon , because it is just expected from me. I am storingly convinced, that I'm righta nd try to give valid arguments for that. Trying to shove it under the carpet is not a solution.
It jjhas been said multiple times, that users can brbring up any band, which they feel, that does not belong, in that thrad. So you hav eno right to forbid me, which type of bans i can't bring up there. You have no baiss oin the witten rules aboufor that. if you forbid me to bring up rac bands for pperonal reaons, which have no bais in the wirittenrule, then it is discriminatory approach. Also when you forbid me to do, what other users can do, it is also discriminatory approach. That's basic logic. Thanks for adding additonal information for my band submission, that's nice from you.
However, it doesn't change the fact, that I vie the way, in which you tread my requests here and behave to me person on this forum aunempathic and humiliating. that's not onlly your case, other mmoderators and administrators dact in similar way. if you still can't understand it, thanthen there's no help, I can only repeat, five minutes in my situation, and you all would talk ddifferently.

Finally , whwhat is expected from me. To sto shut up and do notry to bring up controversial bands, just becausethe moderators feel, that they are the wisest, most competent beings on the planet, who can't make any mistake.
I can't , what every such accepted bands hurts my feelings, makes me angry and when I stumble about such bands on the site on a daily basis.
Of course, i do start new topics about it, when the problem persists when all I see is ignorace and absolute lack foof understanding for any of the arguments, which i bring.
you are right, I do not know ou, and i can only judge you opinoons presented here. Buthe same goes for both sides.
At lseems, that you are confusing maturitywith the will to blind obedience. That's not the cause, I am not a sheep and will not blindly follow something, of which I think is incorrent and harmful. To refuse to deal with my proposals just bbecause, they annoy you is childish in true sense of the word, since it shows, that you do not ccare oabou the matter at hand and its veracity, but simply dismiss it withut furher examination out of spite or out of the convinction, that you alsways know better and lalways need to have the last word.

But what I was taltatalking about ws not only tthe comment about my immaturity , but the overall approach my requests and the interactions , not only with you, but also with other staff members.
As a handicapped persons, i also encounter more problems than a normal user, which alsomeans more threds and more criticism., additonally.
But the worst is the complete lack of will to even bother with my arguments ragarding the rac bands and similar. I's like i was talilking to a stone wall.
You know , it's like in politics, it's not an obstruction, when you sty on topic and bring arguments. i tried to stay on topic, when i was criticising the pproach to rac bands and Ihave always brouhgt up argumets , so the reprssive apprach is really absurd.
But you agmost likely won't uderstand a word of what I'm saying will you?
We are from completely different cultures, most likely from two completely different universes
Truths sometimes com to light, correct, one of them is manifested in the opening post inof this thrad:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=133733. s


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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:11 am 
 

I'm not going to partake in this asinine conversation any further. I've got a guy who only sees things from his point of view accusing me of the same. Don't request my attention for anything more. You're not worth my time or patience.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:27 am 
 

Your last sentence just confirms, aht I was right in wveryting , what I have said.An insultwich demostratesaroogance and feeling of false superiority. Nothing more hhas to be sad. ,

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:21 am 
 

I don't know what's more impressive as an achievement; managing to thoroughly piss off and straight-up exhaust pretty much the entire staff with what can only be described as a deeply terrible attitude problem, inabilty to self-reflect and such a wide array of obnoxious and disruptive behaviour that I'm frankly not going to go into it all in this post (everyone frequenting S&C or even working on the site regularly probably already knows what I'm talking about), or managing to make KingSpooky, probably the nicest and most patient mod I've ever known, lose his cool.

Let's finally put a lid on this incessant waste of time and drain of collective mod energy. Goodbye, Witcher. You were warned aplenty, including HB's hands-off, you're-on-the-thinnest-of-ice post on the matter. It's the unanimous decision among the staff that this was as badly needed as it was overdue. If it weren't for us trying to account for and give you leeway due to your condition, this would indeed have happened much sooner.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:55 am 
 

A lot of Sectas' material comes across as Slipknot-influenced "alt metal". Here's their Spotify. Any thoughts?
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:04 pm 
 

S9NE wrote:
A lot of Sectas' material comes across as Slipknot-influenced "alt metal". Here's their Spotify. Any thoughts?


If you search for "Ideas falsas" on Youtube, you'll be met with thrash mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/user/aibobull/s ... s%20falsas
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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:48 am 
 

S9NE wrote:
A lot of Sectas' material comes across as Slipknot-influenced "alt metal". Here's their Spotify. Any thoughts?


TheGrimWombat wrote:
S9NE wrote:
A lot of Sectas' material comes across as Slipknot-influenced "alt metal". Here's their Spotify. Any thoughts?


If you search for "Ideas falsas" on Youtube, you'll be met with thrash mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/user/aibobull/s ... s%20falsas


But he definitely has a point, this is not the removal thread. Their later output is basically nu-metal and the genre should reflect it.

The genre I'd suggest is:
Power Metal (early); Nu-Metal (later)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:31 am 
 

Kennermahn wrote:
S9NE wrote:
A lot of Sectas' material comes across as Slipknot-influenced "alt metal". Here's their Spotify. Any thoughts?


TheGrimWombat wrote:
S9NE wrote:
A lot of Sectas' material comes across as Slipknot-influenced "alt metal". Here's their Spotify. Any thoughts?


If you search for "Ideas falsas" on Youtube, you'll be met with thrash mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/user/aibobull/s ... s%20falsas


But he definitely has a point, this is not the removal thread. Their later output is basically nu-metal and the genre should reflect it.

The genre I'd suggest is:
Power Metal (early); Nu-Metal (later)


I was actually agreeing that it needs to be addressed. I don't think it's power metal at all. Just sounds like thrash with clean vocals.

I was implying:
Thrash Metal (early); Nu-Metal (later)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:40 am 
 

I think Swashbuckle could get a genre update to "Death/Thrash Metal/Folk", since they have quite a bunch of interludes and song sections that are purely folk, mainly in their full-length albums.
Here's their Bandcamp: https://swashbuckleband.bandcamp.com/

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:00 pm 
 

Triddana (Argentina) - Shouldn't they be specified as celtic folk/power metal, seeing as they're basically continuing the sound of their former band Skiltron?
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tr ... 3540352402
https://open.spotify.com/artist/0roc2y8 ... i1evFtH07g

Ethernity (Belgium) - I can't find their first album which might be more accurate to the currently listed genre (power metal), but the two later ones available on Spotify sound more like chuggy prog/core stuff.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ethernity/51351
https://open.spotify.com/artist/330biIK ... 6-xkS_bfLw

Poetica (Norway) - Not sure if something like gothic metal would be more accurate for them, but this is certainly more brooding-sounding than what you'd expect for a band labeled melodic power metal.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Poetica/3540366142
https://open.spotify.com/artist/4ehjhpC ... sonCvrRRMQ

Rising Storm (Germany) - Feels too proggy to just be labeled "power metal" imo. Would it be alright to change it to prog/power?
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ri ... 3540304405
https://open.spotify.com/artist/4jvA2xw ... Trf1E3dMQQ
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:31 am 
 

It's been argued that Hardcore Punk is native to RAC's umbrella much like AOR, Hard Rock and Metal are all native to NWOBHM's umbrella, although I really think "Crossover" when paired with Thrash understates the Hardcore Punk influence in some of these bands. I'm particularly talking about the Hungarian band Archívum.

While Crossover Thrash is a fair description for the album Szabadságharc, other albums feature music anywhere from Beatdown Hardcore / Metalcore to Groove Metal. The albums Tamadas, Az igazság mindenkit szabaddá tesz, Európa fiai and I'm Not Extreme, But the System (previously released under their previous incarnation A.M.F. as Nem én vagyok extrém) all feature plenty of down to midtempo songs with tons of grooves that are more at home on a Metalcore or Groove Metal album than a Crossover Thrash album. This bootleg Soundcloud account has a few of their albums. I can personally provide other unlisted albums for interested parties.

Perhaps we use "Crossover" for simplicity's sake because trying to accurately pin down a particular band's fusion style runs the risk of overcomplicating matters, but if you ask me, Hardcore Punk / Metalcore should also be added to the genre field. These guys are hardly like The Exploited, Cro-Mags or Crumbsuckers who all play consistently uptempo songs at blistering fast speeds.

Downtempo / Midtempo songs of note:
  • "Sinful World" / "Bűnös világ"
  • "Friend or Foe" / "Barát vagy ellenség"
  • "Gentilehunter" / "Simon Wiesenthal"
  • "Bad Faith" / "Rossz hit"
  • "Renegade" / "Hitehagyott"
  • "Hunyadi"
  • "Honour and Loyalty" / "Becsület és hűség"
  • "Defend Yourself"
  • "Tag der schlacht"
  • "Terjed az eszme" / "The Nation Spreads"
  • "Összetartás" / "Togetherness"
  • "Magyarország mindenek felett"
  • "Becsület és hűség"
  • "Fejvadász"
  • "Új rend"
  • "Meleg pestis"
  • "Demokratikus diktatúra"
  • "Ütközet napja"
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:09 pm 
 

Black Astrology plays a more Electronic/Industrial style of Black Metal.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... logy/44756
https://youtu.be/yBCgo9uxG6c

A more appropriate tag would be Electronic/Industrial Black Metal

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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:23 pm 
 

GodOfMalice wrote:
Black Astrology plays a more Electronic/Industrial style of Black Metal.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... logy/44756
https://youtu.be/yBCgo9uxG6c

A more appropriate tag would be Electronic/Industrial Black Metal

Changed.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:03 pm 
 

Beyond the Black
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Be ... 3540392394

They've been reducing the amount of symphonic elements on their music around the time "Heart of the Hurricane" came out. There are some keyboards in there, but these really aren't proeminent enough to warrant the "symphonic" tag. In that case, Deep Purple would be symphonic metal/rock too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_BF8DBR00

Said symphonic elements were completely dropped on "Horizons" and were essentially replaced by some electronic sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_KcWl1qVAw

Not sure if you guys use the "melodic metal" tag, but I'd say that would be the best descriptor for their music and to demonstrate how has it changed over the time. Maybe "Symphonic Metal (early), Melodic Metal (later)" / "Melodic/Symphonic Metal" / "Symphonic Metal (early), Alternative Metal (later)".

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Armenia
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Armenia/106688

Described as "Crust/Thrash Metal/Gothic".
The 2000 album does have some gothic elements on it; reminds me of the Iranian band 5grs (Progressive Thrash/Gothic Metal): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY3nYliEqSA

I wasn't able to find the other album, but all those tags are there for a reason, certainly. I personally don't find it too crusty, but I'm not really instructed enough on that genre to be sure. Maybe "Crust/Thrash Metal with Gothic Metal elements" (or gothic rock or just plain gothic)

At least, something must be added to "Gothic", so it doesn't look that out of place.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:20 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oral/72075 can this be listed as "NWOBHM, Heavy Metal/Hard Rock"?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:52 pm 
 

AJManiac666 wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oral/72075 can this be listed as "NWOBHM, Heavy Metal/Hard Rock"?

Sure (NWOBHM/Hard Rock).

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Beast in Black
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Be ... 3540433441

The genre should be changed into Electronic/Melodic Heavy/Power Metal since this particular band is well known for incorporating EDM elements into their sound, yet I see no mention of that on the page.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:53 am 
 

LongHairIsSoFuckingCool wrote:
Beast in Black
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Be ... 3540433441

The genre should be changed into Electronic/Melodic Heavy/Power Metal since this particular band is well known for incorporating EDM elements into their sound, yet I see no mention of that on the page.

Nah, they have more of that '80s synth/AOR influence. But I think the current genre describes them well overall. No need to overcomplicate things, since at it's core it's pretty much melodic heavy/power with slightly more pronounced synths and orchestrations.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:07 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wi ... 3540449337

Genre should be something more akin to a Vomitor or Sarcófago; Black/Thrash/Death or just Death/Thrash. No Speed Metal here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGS_QyGC4u4
https://youtu.be/uqKKFIXoISM

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:49 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mazo/9717

Should this be something like Heavy/Speed Metal or it's ok that way?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:32 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Light_Force/4496

Can this be Power/Thrash Metal?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:24 am 
 

I know it's not breaking news, but there are currently over 200 wrong genre reports in the queue again, if anyone of the staff would like to wade in and help. We Knights and others can't do much about them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:39 pm 
 

AJManiac, I hear no thrash in Light Force on the album "Battlezone", that is linked on their Metal Archives page.
https://metal-samples.com/category/Light-Force/

There are speed metal elements at times in Mazo (as well as hard rock), but seems fine to keep it at Heavy Metal:
https://metal-samples.com/category/Mazo/

Please provide audio links if you're bringing up a band for genre reassessment in here, and if there is more than one release please be specific about which one that you're hearing the suggested genre on.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:30 pm 
 

It doesn't look like anyone has brought this up yet, so I'll do it.

Blood Incantation's "Timewave Zero" EP is at considerable length, being 40 minutes long (or over an hour long if you include the bonus track). With that in mind, could we update the genre to include ambient as well? Something like "Death Metal, Ambient" would be acceptable.

And here's a link to said EP for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpSvqitt1x0
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:45 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/news/view/id/281

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:38 pm 
 

Hello, I have two "wrong genre reports," one of them I was suggested to post here:

Boris - I suggested calling them "Drone metal/Drone, Various," similar to how Melvins is "Sludge Metal, Various;" you can read the report here: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/789375
I do not appreciate how the report was closed before a mod looked at it...

Secondly, I have Salem; since their "gothic tag" is grossly inaccurate, I think it should be addressed asap: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/789890

Edit: I have, actually four "wrong genre" reports, but these two, I care more about

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:32 am 
 

Based on their last album, I'd argue that Boa now play something closer to Djent while retaining some groove metal sound, but the heavily downtuned guitars and chugging riffs sound closer to Djent than to groove metal in my opinion.

Probably Groove Metal (early); Djent (later) would do?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:19 am 
 

Can this be changed into "Melodic Heavy Metal"?

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... 3540414174

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