http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=96848

"Funeral Doom Metal with various influences"? Makes no sense. Sounds like straight forward funeral doom to me.

Holy fuck, how have I never seen this?! I can provide examples if necessary.

Weedeater- there's NO stoner influence here (lyrical themes aside), there is no actual doom nor hardcore so thus its not sludge NOR doom. On the other hand it sounds alot like a metallic, fuzzy version of southern rock=southern metal.

Iron Monkey-Well the death part makes absolutely no sense since none of the riffs, vocals, or lyrical themes coincide or relate back to death metal. the sludge part could be argued, but since it contains no actual hardcore punk influences and just sounds like sped up Sabbath, I'd be inclined to call it doom metal.

Nachtgeblüt- I know little to nothing regarding classical music, so I can't be too much help in properly categorizing this but a large portion of his output isn't black metal. Many of the songs are classical (possibly baroque or romantic) compositions.

Can someone tell me how early Funeral (nor) has gothic elements? It seem like another case of a band being labeled gothic due to the use of female vocals to me. If anything the later material is more gothic.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3438

Okay, looking up some of the more unique genre combinations yet again... black, death and thrash metal ARE the major extreme metal sub-genres, thus most of these could be changed to something more appropriate.

searched "extreme death"
1-4 of 4
1. Cult of Shadows Extreme Gothic/Death Metal
2. General Bomb Machine Extreme/Death Metal
3. Mythofyre Epic Extreme/Melodic Death Metal
4. Phex Death/Doom Metal (early), Extreme/Death Metal (later)


searched "extreme black"
1-4 of 4
1. Conspectu Mortis Extreme Symphonic Black Metal
2. Eternal (Per) Extreme black metal
3. Veil of Anguish Atmospheric Extreme Blackened Metal
4. Yersinia Pestis (Nor) Extreme/Black Metal

searched "extreme thrash"
1-2 of 2
1. Swimfail Extreme/Thrash Metal
2. Urban Violence Extreme Thrash Metal/Thrashcore



Searching for JUST the term "extreme" got some unique genres, too... here are some of the more "obvious" offenders which has semi or quasi non-sense genre descriptions (though personally I think ALL bands with extreme in the genre should be looked into thoroughly):
9. Amarok (Swe) Extreme Melodic Metal
16. Bag of Humans Avant-garde Extreme/Atmospheric Metal
30. Dark Tower (Bra) Extreme Metal
34. Digestion Grind/extreme metal
40. Dusk (Pol) Gothic/Extreme Avant-garde Metal
51-100 of 137
1. Frozen Paradise Extreme Heavy Metal
4. Gire Avant-garde metal/Ambient extreme metal
8. Grave Declaration Symphonic Extreme Metal
10. Harmony Bay Avant-garde Extreme Metal
11. Human Industry extreme metal, ambient
14. Inbleeding Extreme Groove Metal
15. Inner Din Progressive, Extreme Metal
18. Kekal Avant-garde/Experimental Extreme Metal
19. Khaosphere Experimental Extreme Metal
30. Manatark Blackened Extreme Metal (this one caught my eye, and I'd just call them progressive black metal)
40. Nausea (Swe) Extreme Melodic Metal
42. Nephtys Extreme Metal
45. Non Compos Mentis (US) Extreme/Heavy Metal
46. Ominous Deathcult Extreme Metal
50. Persecution (Aus) Extreme metal
101-137 of 137 ~ 1 | 2 | 3
5. Sacred Curse (Tur) Extreme Dark Metal
6. Satan's Soldiers Black/Extreme Gothic Metal
11. Shemhamphorash (Mex) Extreme Melodic and Symphonic Metal
12. Sisare Melodic Extreme Metal
13. Star Insight Melodic/Symphonic Extreme/Power Metal
17. Sworn (Nor) Extreme Melodic Metal
19. Tears of Seraphim Technical extreme metal
26. TRSX Black Metal (early) - Avant-garde Extreme Metal (later)
29. Veil of Anguish Atmospheric Extreme Blackened Metal
31. Wunde Black Metal/Noise (early), Extreme Industrial Noise (later) (if it's noise music, isn't that kinda imply it's extreme already?)
36. Zulu Stoner/Doom/Gothic Extreme Metal (early), Stoner Rock (later)


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Also: thrashcore. I forget if it was ever covered before, but is this a real genre? There are 107 results in search, and all are fairly obscure bands it would seem.



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searched for the term "and" and got some weird results:

1-42 of 42
3. Apofigeus Death Metal/Grindcore with Melodic and Power Metal elements (this genre was just too weird when I saw it. This is simply Deathgrind as per the song samples linked)
7. Chains of Pain Doom, Power, and Black/Death metal (listening to their MySpace, this is Heavy/Power Metal with some Thrash influences)
8. Cumulo Nimbus Folk/Renaissance and Metal
9. Devil Doll Avant-garde / Symphonic / Progressive with Rock and Metal Elements
23. Mysterhydden Progressive Metal with Thrash and Classic influences (this is more like Progressive Power Metal)
25. Necronomichrist Progressive Brutal Death Metal with Black Metal and Grind elements (brutal dm = grind influences, and black metal influences = blackened, so easy change here, likely)
28. P #9 Groove Metal with Sludge and Southern influence (Sourthern METAL or southern ROCK? I really don't know the difference...)
29. Pain Control Modern Metal with gothic and industrial elements
33. Shemhamphorash (Mex) Extreme Melodic and Symphonic Metal

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62 search results for "modern"

The term "Modern" is NOT a legit genre in most cases! Some of these genre terms are really stupid, too:

11. Chainsoul Thrash/Death/Modern Metal
17. Deathert Modern Death Metal
18. Deleterious Modern Black/Death Metal
19. Delight Lost Modern Heavy Metal
41. Panama Speed Melodic Modern Metal
44. Relaypse Post-thrash, groove, modern
53. Szeg Metalcore with Modern Metal Influences
etc.

These are almost all going to have to be changed....

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2 search results for "retro"

1. Dan Swanö Death Metal, Retro ('70s) Progressive
2. Spiritual Beggars Stoner, Retro, Groove


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2 search results for "after"

1. Convulsion (Esp) Death Metal (early), Death/Thrash Metal (after)
2. Satan's Host Power Metal (in the 80's) / Black/Death Metal (after the reunion in the 90's)

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cheers,
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It's a faster form of hardcore punk, evolving out of it in the 1980s. Sort of inbetween hardcore punk and grindcore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrashcore

I doubt that out of those 107 results the majority qualifies for the tag, not only because it's a punk genre, but also due to the fact that, unfortunately, many bands apply it to their sound when they play metalcore with thrashy riffs, thrash metal with metalcore influences or any other mixture of the two genres. Or in the worst case, no thrash whatsoever. Seems to be a bit of a prestige tag, perhaps to garner acceptance and recognition from oldschool thrash fans and look true to the roots. Whatever.


Yeah, that also bugged me for some time. Apart from "retro", I dunno why the "Groove" tag is in there, they play no "Groove Metal" in that sense whatsoever.
A fitting genre description would be "Hard Rock/Stoner Rock/Metal" or "Stoner Rock/Metal (early) Hard Rock/Stoner Metal (now)"

Lacuna Coil's current genre should be changed to hard rock or something. Their new album has very little metal elements in it. Here are their two music videos from Shallow Life:

Spellbound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_VS2B48c24

I Like It:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaN_nEVKWCI

Devoid (Can)
Genre(s) Thrash/Groove Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=67684

This band is PURE later-era Pantera worship and there's not a drop of real thrash in their sound. "Groove Metal" would suffice.

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Seventh Sin (Can)
Genre(s) Heavy Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540275400

This band also has a large classic rock influence to the music, which isn't reflected in the current genre. "Heavy Metal/Hard Rock" would be fine, I'm sure.

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Speaking of the term "classic rock", is that worthy of a real genre, or would it be considered too vague of a term, encompassing many different styles (prog rock, folk rock, hard rock, glam, early punk, etc) because....

Blackstar Traditional Metal/Classic Rock
Casual Silence Progressive Metal / Classic Rock
Mudslide (US) Hard Rock/Classic Rock, Thrash Metal
Sethnefer Doom/Black Metal/Classic Rock
Vivid Classic Rock/Heavy Metal/Hard Rock

there are 5 bands, total, which use that term, and it does seem incredibly vague...

For the sake of being an upstanding MA citizen, here's a link for the mods' convenience: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540292755

I think something like "Technical Death/Post-Thrash Metal" would be more fitting.

http://www.myspace.com/gluttonband

Lots of extra words that do not describe the music at all nor constitute a genre based on distinguishable musical characteristics!

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=17417
"Pagan Black Metal (early), Blackened Metal (later)"
->Black Metal

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=10075
Folk Dark Ambient, symphonic/pagan black metal
->Dark Ambient (early), Black/Folk Metal (later)

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6932
Medieval/pagan folk metal
->Folk metal

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=29493

I've heard that zines used to refer to "technical" as "techno" and I think that's the case with this band.

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http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=87178

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=31346

Traditional should be removed.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=14805

Listed as grindcore, however I listened and I heard no grindcore. 3-5 minute songs, clean guitars, clean singing in parts, and synth's? Not grindcore. This was in their last full length btw.

More of a brutal/experimental death metal band.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4127

This band was indeed metal on the first album, but they changed their style to something pretty far from metal. This new genre should be reflected on their page. http://www.myspace.com/arcadiabastardcore

I have no idea what their new style is, some kind of mathcore maybe?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=35144

Should be 'Black'/Doom/Death Metal

ksevile:
I think there's no point of discussion in this kind of corrections, using the report function would be more adequate instead of bringing it up to the board.



About Pseudostratiffied the tag experimental doesn't really describe their music, and they do have the "grind" element in their music.
Maybe they were more "grindcore" in their early demos, I listened to them back in the 90's and I remember they were labeled as grindcore or Death Grind.
Maybe could be changed as Brutal Death/Grind, I think the current tag it's ok, though.

So, why was "Speed Metal" removed from Running Wild's genre field? Could be it set to "Heavy/Speed/Power Metal" once and for all?

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=7772

Should be changed to "Death Metal (early), Death/Black Metal (later)". They have a couple tracks off "Acrimonium", the album when they changed their style, on their myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/decrepitohio

Crimson Thorn - I don't hear any black metal in those samples.
Running Wild - good point, RW is a bona fide speed metal band.
Weedeater - the previous definition was pretty accurate IMO. Other reliable sources seem to corroborate it.
Lacuna Coil - wow, this is awful. Thankfully my GF didn't catch me listening to this subpar Evanescence ripoff.
Arcadia - alright, this is an all-time low. Now where do I apply for the Nobel Peace Prize?

Decrepit - there's only one song off Acrimonium on their Myspace, "Angel of Dark Shadows". IMO it has only superficial similarities with black metal.

Behemoth's genre should be changed to "Black metal (early), death metal (later), deathcore (now)". Listening to their new material, it just occured to me: the breakdowns, the chugga-chugga riffs, the spastic compositions, the screams; it's definitely deathcore. Maybe it just doesn't occur to people what they've become because after so long being legitimate metal genres it's been ingrained in us that they are true (that was the case for me at least) but I think anyone could come to the same ugly conclusion if they step back and look at it objectively.

Can a mod call this one? It doesn't seem like there's much to argue, since we are pretty much all familiar with new and old Behemoth.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=71788

Band is called Black/Death Metal, but I would say they're more along the lines of The Kovenant's "Nexus Polaris" material, perhaps even Dodheimsgard "666 International". So, what would that be; Avant-Garde/Industrial Metal? Industrial Black Metal? I just know it's not Black/Death Metal.

their myspace

I don't care about Behemoth at all, but to me their music is still very much in a modern semi-brutal death metal vein.

Goddamnit, VoR, and you were even doing pretty well up until now ...

@Azmodes: Sorry to disappoint you!

@MMisantropo: Thanks anyways.

Cauldron (Can)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=87598

Where's this "thrash"? I just hear heavy metal.

Their myspace: http://www.myspace.com/cauldronmetal

Done.

JOb for a Cowboy
Genre: Deathcore
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42638

I harbour no lasting love for this band (although the song "The Divine Falsehood" came off as a not half-bad tribute to Nile of sorts), but we all know they play a bland brand of generic, pseudo-tech death metal now.

Genre should be Deathcore (early), Death Metal (later).

Wasn't that in fact the genre description until a while ago? Why was it changed back?

I have no idea, I just came across their page, and saw that it was just deathcore, which makes no sense at this point. They're release two full lengths of death metal material now.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=11266

Thsi band is labelled as Pagan metal, but all i hear on their myspace is a combination of male-fronted gothic metal like To Die For or Charon, combined with a harder style comparable to Crematory. I sugged Gothic/Doom Metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283535
http://www.myspace.com/fukpig13

No expert in punk music, but I'm hearing certain traits of crust punk on their debut, apart from grindcore. The d-beat style drumming for instance, if I'm not mistaken. So would it be justified to add "Crust Punk" to the genre description?

The Amenta
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8115
Genre: Industrial Death Metal

I literally just saw these guys live tonight (in support of Vader \m/), and they are industrialized, grinding black metal in the same vein as Anaal Nathrakh (well, without the epic clean choruses). Definitely not death metal though.

Suggested Genre: Industrial Black Metal/Grindcore

Any takers on this?

Would it help if I added a link? http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=138

I'm not insisting the tag I suggested be used but I definitely think the current one doesn't paint an accurate picture.

I've also got a couple of others:

Bruce Dickinson - http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=295
Currently tagged as just heavy metal. The first album is just pure hard rock, and then Balls to Picasso and Skunkworks head into alt rock/grunge territory. Maybe "Hard Rock (first), Alternative Rock (mid), Heavy Metal (later)"

Machine Head - http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=335
The mallcore/nu metal/whatever style of their middle period really ought to be mentioned.

Anyone?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=35714

This band should have it's genre changed. What it has now is misleading, it gives a feeling of not being metal.

Here's a sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKP3x8BSBOg

I'd suggest folk/melodic black metal, or something like that.

The Amenta - I don't hear relevant grind or black influences.
Bruce Dickinson, Megadeth - I dislike too much detail in genre descriptions. I did update Megadeth's genre somewhat, though.
Beltaine - fine, pagan metal is undescriptive, but doom metal is just plain wrong.
Machine Head - groove metal, mallcore, it's pretty much all the same crap.
Fukpig - I'm no punk expert either, but grindcore is supposed to show certain traits of crust punk. So I believe that aspect is already covered by the current description.

To me Death Metal/Metalcore means they can be considered a death metal band AND a metalcore band, but they are a deathcore band.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=45385

Power metal?

This band is clearly influenced by Arcturus, in both their sound and image. It almost sound like a blackened later-era Arcturus. There's really no power metal here. Avantgarde Black metal maybe?
http://www.myspace.com/damnedspiritsdance

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4493

Should be changed to "Death/Groove Metal".