Actually this band should be deleted.


Deleted as well.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9099
The current genre is non-descriptive and misleading in my opinion.

http://www.myspace.com/miseryincband

Their older songs sound like typical finnish gothic metal in the vein of Sentenced, Poisonblack, To Die For ... etc. Their newer more aggressive stuff is.... metalcore? Anyway their current genre really doesn't describe what they play.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=125095

Some old videos surfaced on youtube with this band playing live. I submitted them as power/thrash based on an interview, but the live videos show it's groove metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StHWpsofggU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa9EM8p-su8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7rQG5sTZa8

Fight (USA) is currently labeled as simply "Heavy Metal". I believe that thrash/groove should be added in there somewhere.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=124442

Confirm the Fallen, their first release is melodic death metal/metalcore, but I just checked their myspace and noticed that since they have overhauled the band line-up they've gone in a completely different direction that I don't really know how to describe, but I'm putting this here to make sure that they don't get deleted as their first release is definitely metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9099
The current genre is non-descriptive and misleading in my opinion.

http://www.myspace.com/miseryincband

Their older songs sound like typical finnish gothic metal in the vein of Sentenced, Poisonblack, To Die For ... etc. Their newer more aggressive stuff is.... metalcore? Anyway their current genre really doesn't describe what they play.

Deadlock (Ger): http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5413

http://www.myspace.com/deadlock

"Dark Melodic Death Metal"? Actually, I don't hear anything "dark" in their music..."Melodic Death Metal" is enough in my opinion.

Crimfall: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=124058

http://www.myspace.com/crimfall

In my opinion, their genre tag is a mouthful and a bit redundant.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9592
Neofolk / Pagan

is this a metal band or not?

It's not metal, I have the tape.

Edit: (Neither is Perunwit.)

Any opinions?

Talamyus currently have the ridiculous genre tag of "Thrashy Viking Metal". I believe this should be changed to "Melodic Death/Viking metal", or something similar.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540299331

This band used to be some RAC-like band on their early albums, but i wouldn't call it that since they weren't NS. However, the genre should be changed to reflect their early style aswell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9JwUjGBMww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH7fdfKa ... re=related

Lunarsea:http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=28357
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=28357

I don't near any black metal elements in their music, just modern melodic death metal, so "Melodic Death Metal" should be right.

Bow Wow / Vow Wow - Heavy Metal
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Bow Wow / Vow Wow - Hard Rock, Heavy Metal

These guys need a bit of a change, as "heavy metal" alone is much too broad. Starting out, these guys had a hard / classic rock sound. At the lightest they sounded like The Beatles with a Japanese twist, and at the heaviest they sounded like Black Sabbath with a samurai sword's edge.

Sabbathy stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx4v8Ecm ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9xQ0S4G ... re=related

Beatles-ish / classic / J-rock stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5RscMJ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EObWp-UC ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97iTu4X ... re=related

Most of the 80s material is legitimate heavy metal, though sometimes it leans pretty close to AOR / hard rock again. The newer stuff also is pretty much heavy metal (in some moments even going into power / speed metal).

So yeah, if you could just tag on hard rock in front of heavy metal that'd be swell.

The genre tag of this band is wrong!
Secretpath

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540306335

Actually the genre is "Melodic Black Metal", but this band should be "Avant-Garde Black/Death Metal" (just listen at the tracks on the myspace)

www.myspace.com/secretpath

There are no keyboards. The guitarist uses a classical technique, the "hybrid picking" (look at the videos...) and there are many classical influences, also in the voice that alternates growls/screams with operatic Basso Profondo voice; the avant-garde Metal borns with black metal with many influence from some other genres (first of all classical), large use of blastbeats (and this band meets the requirement), the structure of the songs that's unpredictable, the lyrics concerning phylosophy. The genre is avant-garde black metal but there are many death (or black/death) influences, surely in drums, but also in the guttural growls.

I think this band should be tagged as Avant-Garde Black/Death Metal... or, at least, surely Avant-Garde Black Metal. Just LISTEN to it.

Sorry, there's nothing avant-garde about this band.

Why not? Explain you reasons.

I will explain mine:
"Avant-garde in music can refer to any form of music working within traditional structures while seeking to breach boundaries in some manner,[12] or to describe the work of any musicians who radically depart from tradition altogether." [Jim Samson, "Avant garde", The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, second edition, edited by Stanley Sadie and John Tyrrell (London: Macmillan Publishers, 2001).]

In Secretpath's music there is the use of the operatic male voice of Basso Profondo associated with extreme black/death metal; NO ONE did that before Secretpath. There is the use of "hybrid picking" in the guitar and NO ONE did that before in extreme metal (this is a technique used for classical guitar to play something like Flamenco or other similar musics) So Secretpath band "depart radically from tradition".

"The term avant-garde metal refers to bands and musicians who "incorporate new and innovative elements in metal, who break conventions, tear down walls, violate borders."" [Nieder-wiesen 2007]

These are surely innovative elements from the classic music that violate the borders.

So I would appreciate something else than "sorry", after these sources I quoted. Even some bands like Borknagar or Arcturus are similar to Secretpath from this point of view; but to be avant-garde a band cannot be a cover band of Arcturus! Is not so necessary to have piano (bands like Gorguts have not piano...) or other orchestral instruments.

Both of those claims are completely incorrect, by the way.

I agree that it should be be "Black/Death" but not avant-garde.

It's too easy to say "no", I would like to read an explanation. Evereyone can say "your claim is wrong" but this changes nothing without a CLEAR reason". I accept every point of view, just explain it like I did.

No, moderators don't have to justify their choices. And there's not much to explain anyway.

So what's the purpose of a section for suggestions and complains if the moderators don't have to MOTIVATE their choices (I didn't asked to justify, only to explain... that is different).

If a moderator says "no" that's OK, but can I know WHY it's "no"? There is too much to explain, according to me, and I tried to bring proofs of my point of view with various quotes (with some liability I guess...).
Anyway the band genre is OBVIUSLY WRONG, so if you can't prove that is not Avant-Garde Black/Death Metal, can you, at least, prove that is Melodic Black Metal?

I don't ask for justifiation, a motivation should be enough; and I guess no one listened at the band.

No, we will not prove anything to you. The users do not decide about band genres, they can make only proposals and if we do not agree with them, then they will have to accept it.
Do you also undestand, that it is time for you accept our decision, since you will not have your way?!!

If you still do not understand, read the first post in this thread. It applies also on music genres and other decision directly related to bands in the database.
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... 85&start=0
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Do not argue the decisions. This thread is a court of appeals, not a shouting match.

Even a judge of the court of appeals must motivate is judgement (trust me, I'm a lawyer...), while the tyrant can take decisions without a motivation. I'm using this topic to get an explanation (and my behaviour is surely not ill-mannered), and this topic was created for this purpose.
I think that if you had some knowledge of the metal genres it would be easy for you to explain this decision. I wont' argue no more your tyrannic decision (it is useless to discuss to peaples that don't want to discuss...) but you can't ask me to ACCEPT it, because I will never accept the arrogance. Regards.

Alright, here's a lenghtier explanation:

Guitar and vocal techniques are irrelevant to any genre discussion. Van Halen is not avant-garde, neither is Nightwish. Also, innovation does not equal avant-garde. Otherwise we'd have to change Priest and Motorhead's genres to "avant-garde heavy metal" for starters.

Edgard Varèse - Ionisation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9mg4KHqRPw

THIS is avant-garde. Your band is straightforward in every aspect possible. Melodies, harmony, rhythm, structure, texture... Even classic 2nd wave BM such as Burzum and Thorns is much more avant-garde than this band.

Tsuris: "Stoner/Sludge Metal"

Definitely not Stoner or Sludge. I'd say Groove Metal/Metalcore.

http://www.myspace.com/tsurisband

So if Meshuggah isn't a metal band anymore (according to Witcher on the "Why was X band Rejected" thread), then why are they still considered post-thrash metal on here?

Zakk Wylde's solo record is not metal. I suggest the genre be changed to "southern rock".

Thank you for your attention. I do not agree with you but accept your point of view.

The Hardest Fall
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=127338
http://www.myspace.com/thehardestfall13

Since I added this band a couple years ago, I haven't been happy with the genre it is listed as even though I'm the one who submitted it that way. I've always felt there was something more to their sound than simple Melodic Death, but I can't quite put my finger on a title for it.

Tieflader: "Thrash/Doom/Metalcore"

Groove Metal.

http://www.myspace.com/tieflader

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No (Deu): "Death/Groove/Doom Metal, Metalcore"

Nothing even close to resembling doom in their music. "Death/Groove Metal, Metalcore"

http://www.myspace.com/nofamily

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Lapsus Dei: "Brutal Doom Metal"

Melodic Death/Doom Metal.

http://www.myspace.com/lapsusdeiband

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Rusted Chains: "Black/Thrash/Doom/Metalcore"

Melodic Death Metal/Metalcore

http://www.myspace.com/chainnation

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Voces del Odio: "Doom/Death Metal/Metalcore"

Death/Groove Metal/Metalcore

http://www.myspace.com/6vdo6pac6

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Voltron

I can't really put my finger on what this band is. They're not thrash or doom, there's definitely elements of hardcore in their music though.

http://www.myspace.com/voltronmusic

Ahhhh yeah, good old GLM_Kommando..I remember he added a lot of metalcore bands during the old metalcore razzia. His got accepted because he added tags like 'doom' to the obvious metalcore bands.

I noticed quite a few of them were from him. Here's a couple more:

Art of Nox: "Melodic Death/Doom Metal/Metalcore"

Groove Metal/Metalcore.

http://www.myspace.com/artofnox

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4 Chambers of Ivory: "Doom/Sludge/Metalcore"

I don't hear any metalcore. Maybe "Death/Doom/Sludge Metal"

http://www.myspace.com/4chambersofivory

Braindead (Portugal)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=60777
http://www.myspace.com/braindeadpt

This band's genre should be updated to a more complete definition.

The Thrash tag is ok but that only applies to the early material (the demos from the 80's). The band broke in 1990 a reunited 2 years lated playing just, i guess, Rock or something (in fact i did the "notes" on the page)...

So, " Thrash Metal (early)/ Rock (later)" or something alike would be the most appropriate.

Jarojupe

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=76108

The same applies to this one.
Heavy Metal in the 80's, Rock from early 90's on.

Grave Awakening: "Experimental Death Metal"

Deathcore.

http://www.myspace.com/graveawakeningmetal

Torche: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=41415
http://www.myspace.com/torche
No way some of this shit is Stoner/Sludge, especially what I have heard of Meanderthal.

Have you heard the first album? A lot more Melvins-ish on that one.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=109981

Maybe their early releases were death metal, but their later ones were black/gothic.
http://kanthel-666.blogspot.com/2010/02 ... mayit.html

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1550.

What's 'modern death/thrash metal' exactly? Just sounds like death/thrash with a little influence from Strapping Young Lad.