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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:18 pm 
 

Dirtpill genre should be changed from Experimental Sludge Metal to Experimental Doom/Black Metal.

Link: http://www.myspace.com/dirtpill

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:45 pm 
 

GraveWish wrote:
Dirtpill genre should be changed from Experimental Sludge Metal to Experimental Doom/Black Metal.

Link: http://www.myspace.com/dirtpill

Hm, they sounded pretty sludgy to me. There are obvious hardcore punk influences and not so much black metal.

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weakling_goat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:41 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=101296
http://www.myspace.com/idib
not gothic.
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Nick0
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:39 am 
 

I think that Cimmerian is more Doom metal than heavy metal. it still has folk influences but it should be relabeled.

http://www.myspace.com/thebandcimmerian

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 pm 
 

Zonaria: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=40208

They're listed as "Melodic Black/Death Metal"...I don't hear anything "black" here, just pure melodic death metal Hypocrisy-style, so "Melodic Death Metal" would be right

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:26 am 
 

Rose Funeral: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=85374

They're listed as "Melodic Death Metal/Deathcore", in my opinion they're just deathcore, I don't hear any melodeath influence,

Winds of Plague: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42210

Blackened death metal? In my opinion this tag should be deleted and only "Symphonic Deathcore should be kept.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:29 am 
 

As for Winds of Plague, they are obviously influenced by band like Dimmu Borgir.
Symphonic deathcore sounds silly.

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:46 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
As for Winds of Plague, they are obviously influenced by band like Dimmu Borgir.
Symphonic deathcore sounds silly.


Definitely it sounds silly but imho is the only tag that can describe their sound...they're influenced by Dimmu Borgir but the only thing that is similar is the symphonic element..I hear little to no black/death elements in the vocals nor in the other instruments..

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:36 am 
 

why is this not a sticky?

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540310801
http://www.jamendo.com/de/artist/Dysphoric

the last track of their first release is some sort of depressive rock/metal. The latest release is more on the death than on the black metal side.
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discouraged
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:04 am 
 

Just a quick question, at what point of time did Soilwork sound like modern rock?

Other bands with history or influence of melodic death metal (e.g. In Flames and Sonic Syndicate) also have the modern rock tag, which is fitting if you listen to their latest albums.

So, seeing as they all share the modern rock tag, shouldn't Soilwork sound like them? No. Considering the latest album ('The Panic Broadcast'), is a return to form with a lot more old melodic death metal influence (listen to the album...), I think it would be better for them to be labelled as modern melodic death metal.

Here's some youtube to just compare:
Soilwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiOa61327WA
Sonic Syndicate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrwU_JCU3o (i'm sorry to put you through this)
In Flames: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYnk6H5xn3E

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:13 am 
 

Death/Thrash? This is groove metal at best.
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540316670

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:01 pm 
 

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:52 am 
 

I think Cerebral Bore would be better off being listed as "Brutal Death Metal" instead of simply "Death Metal"... heavy slams and guttural vocals pin their genre comfortably close to the BDM tag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWE9YmB8reQ

That's pretty Brutal as far as subgenres go. :D

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:00 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
I think Cerebral Bore would be better off being listed as "Brutal Death Metal" instead of simply "Death Metal"... heavy slams and guttural vocals pin their genre comfortably close to the BDM tag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWE9YmB8reQ

That's pretty Brutal as far as subgenres go. :D

Please, do not report such things. The most annoying type of reports is "the genre is wrong, it is not death metal, it is brutal death metal".
Brutal death metal is another pseudo genre/tag., all such bands acan be listed as just death metal.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:03 am 
 

Blind Guardian needs to be changed back to Speed Metal(early) Power Metal(Later)
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:10 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Alhadis wrote:
I think Cerebral Bore would be better off being listed as "Brutal Death Metal" instead of simply "Death Metal"... heavy slams and guttural vocals pin their genre comfortably close to the BDM tag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWE9YmB8reQ

That's pretty Brutal as far as subgenres go. :D

Please, do not report such things. The most annoying type of reports is "the genre is wrong, it is not death metal, it is brutal death metal".
Brutal death metal is another pseudo genre/tag., all such bands acan be listed as just death metal.

What? Since when is that an accepted viewpoint here? Was this policy only implemented recently? If so, there'd be an awful lot (2000+) of bands to "correct". I made several similar genre suggestions in this thread and the tag was always changed without comment. Don't want to start a genre discussion here, I'd just like to know if I should bother in the future.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:20 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Please, do not report such things. The most annoying type of reports is "the genre is wrong, it is not death metal, it is brutal death metal".
Brutal death metal is another pseudo genre/tag., all such bands acan be listed as just death metal.


Understood, Witcher. I'll try and keep that in mind, but you should know that while all BDM bands can be termed Death Metal, not every DM band can be termed Brutal Death in return.

I only felt it was a correction worth reporting because the bands they've shared the stage with have each been (correctly) dubbed as Brutal Death Metal here on the 'Archives, so it felt like it made sense for Cerebral Bore to be the same.

[Edit: I'm not trying to start a genre discussion here, either. Just explaining I wasn't trying to be nitpicky.]

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:31 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Alhadis wrote:
I think Cerebral Bore would be better off being listed as "Brutal Death Metal" instead of simply "Death Metal"... heavy slams and guttural vocals pin their genre comfortably close to the BDM tag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWE9YmB8reQ

That's pretty Brutal as far as subgenres go. :D

Please, do not report such things. The most annoying type of reports is "the genre is wrong, it is not death metal, it is brutal death metal".
Brutal death metal is another pseudo genre/tag., all such bands acan be listed as just death metal.

What? Since when is that an accepted viewpoint here? Was this policy only implemented recently? If so, there'd be an awful lot (2000+) of bands to "correct". I made several similar genre suggestions in this thread and the tag was always changed without comment. Don't want to start a genre discussion here, I'd just like to know if I should bother in the future.

If you want to change the tag from"death metal" to "brutal death metal", then really do not bother.

To change bands listed as such back would not be worth it, as you have pointed out.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:56 pm 
 

discouraged wrote:
Just a quick question, at what point of time did Soilwork sound like modern rock?

Other bands with history or influence of melodic death metal (e.g. In Flames and Sonic Syndicate) also have the modern rock tag, which is fitting if you listen to their latest albums.

So, seeing as they all share the modern rock tag, shouldn't Soilwork sound like them? No. Considering the latest album ('The Panic Broadcast'), is a return to form with a lot more old melodic death metal influence (listen to the album...), I think it would be better for them to be labelled as modern melodic death metal.

Here's some youtube to just compare:
Soilwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiOa61327WA
Sonic Syndicate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrwU_JCU3o (i'm sorry to put you through this)
In Flames: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYnk6H5xn3E



Soilwork also has that "Metalcore" tag. They've never played metalcore.

However the "Modern Rock" tag is probably from the days of Figure Number Five. That was Soilwork's "Reroute to Remain" sort of speak, where alternative influences and modern rock took more of a front-seat, although the Soilwork brand of Melodic Death metal never left the sound, it just took a back seat on that album and the next two.
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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:19 pm 
 

Circle Six: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=53703
http://www.myspace.com/circlesixband

There is no trace of metalcore at all and "with Doom Metal influences" is redundant since sludge is a subgenre of doom, so in my opinion the genre should be changed to "Atmospheric Sludge"

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Nyaricus
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:21 am 
 

Drudkh
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9344

Drudkh really need folk added to their genre, as their style has always been influenced by folk music, and "Songs of Grief and Solitude" was a pure folk music album to boot. They're also a very, very atmospheric band in the Burzumic sense, which is not reflected in their genre either.

I'd suggest Atmospheric Folk/Black Metal for their genre.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:53 pm 
 

Cynic: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=91

They're listed as "Thrash Metal (early), Technical Progressive Death Metal/Fusion (later)" but they're not death metal anymore now...but I know the genre tag would be too long if something like "Technical Progressive Metal/Fusion (now) would be added to their genres..

Coprofago: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5700

They're listed as "Technical Death/Thrash Metal (early), Post-Thrash Metal (later)" but to me is exactly the opposite...they're more technical and progressive now...just listen to their latest album

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Leechmaster
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:35 am 
 

Thorns of the Carrion: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2967

They sound a lot more like death/doom than gothic/doom to me, particularly their earlier material.

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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:42 am 
 

The band Enochian (Cze) played death metal in the beginning (so from 1994-1995/96), which is very much present on their first release. I mean, damn, after hearing nearly all of their material (as seen by the reviews on the page), that demo is not only miles better in quality, but completely old school death metal in sound and image. Nothing like the phony sympho-black nonsense they spewed later on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:24 pm 
 

Vargavinter: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=81729

"Melodic Death / Doom Metal with Black influences"

I don't hear any black metal metal in it, the music heavily favors clean guitar sections with no vocals, and some distorted melodic guitar work, similar to Opeth minus the progressive elements. I'm not really sure how to describe the clean parts as they are very simple rather than a full band performance - slightly reminiscent of newer Katatonia, though "depressive rock" doesn't describe it. I'm really not sure how to describe all of the clean guitar parts in the songs that I listened to.

Might be a long shot as the music is very amateur and "out there", but "melodic doom rock/metal" might be the best way to describe it.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:41 pm 
 

Nyaricus wrote:
Drudkh
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9344

Drudkh really need folk added to their genre, as their style has always been influenced by folk music, and "Songs of Grief and Solitude" was a pure folk music album to boot. They're also a very, very atmospheric band in the Burzumic sense, which is not reflected in their genre either.

I'd suggest Atmospheric Folk/Black Metal for their genre.


Not all their music is Atmospheric: I'd settle for simply "Folk/Black Metal" to avoid being too specific. It's well-known that Drudkh's style is mellow at parts, but not all their songs are Burzum-ish.

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DrSharK
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:29 am 
 

The Ocean: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=25189

"Progressive/Atmospheric Sludge"

This may be true for their first 3 LP's, but the 2 albums they have released this year have a VERY different sound. Almost all metal influences have been removed. Their style is more along the lines of post-hardcore now, quite similar to Thrice. Their official facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/theoceancollective) even says that they play experimental post-hardcore.

I suggest the following genre description: "Experimental/Sludge metal (early) | Experimental/Post-hardcore (later)"

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:08 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Nyaricus wrote:
Drudkh
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9344

Drudkh really need folk added to their genre, as their style has always been influenced by folk music, and "Songs of Grief and Solitude" was a pure folk music album to boot. They're also a very, very atmospheric band in the Burzumic sense, which is not reflected in their genre either.

I'd suggest Atmospheric Folk/Black Metal for their genre.


Not all their music is Atmospheric: I'd settle for simply "Folk/Black Metal" to avoid being too specific. It's well-known that Drudkh's style is mellow at parts, but not all their songs are Burzum-ish.

I don't think there's enough folk to include folk in the genre tag. But i do agree that it's not pure black metal.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:26 pm 
 

Drudkh's style is unique for a reason: therefore, I personally don't think it should be pigeonholed. It's safer just to term them Black Metal, IMHO.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:45 pm 
 

Yeah, don't want to pigeonhole bands, this is not an encyclopaedia!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:17 pm 
 

folk/black metal for drudkh is short, catchy, and without the redundant "atmospheric".. That'd be fine and probably more accurate than just straight black metal, but really it's no big deal either way imo.
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DrSharK
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:32 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
Yeah, don't want to pigeonhole bands, this is not an encyclopaedia!


hurr durr.


But seriously, Drudkh should be something along the lines of black/folk metal, like most people here have said.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:54 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
Yeah, don't want to pigeonhole bands, this is not an encyclopaedia!


Genres are descriptions, not badges. The aim of a genre is to simply sum up the band's style in a few short, snappy words. A band like Drudkh isn't going to be easy to sum up, so going for anything more verbose than "Folk/Black Metal" is inevitably going to provoke debate.

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jizzomatic
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:15 pm 
 

i think Judas Priest should should be changed to heavy/traditional(early), heavy/speed

I dont really hear speed influence until Defenders of the Faith(1984) and "Exciter" and "Rapid Fire"

Even Rocka Rolla sounds like a hard rock album

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Folkemon_
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:43 pm 
 

just thinking what about one of these for lyrics themes?, i see alot of bands with random lyrical themes that look like a person hasnt even read the lyrics
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:02 pm 
 

Use the report function. I don't think having discussions on lyrical themes is necessary.

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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:55 am 
 

Wouldn't it be proper to apply the post-rock tag to Agalloch now after this newest album? They've already tried it with the last full-length (it was very apparent), and now it's even more present. As far as black metal goes, this is really just atmospheric rock (aside from some heavier moments) with wussy harsh gargling. Nothing black metal or "dark metal" about it. In fact, dark metal this is not at all - Bethlehem or even Triptykon are dark metal; you can compare the two very easily.

Dark Metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoGkDtPqtbY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu1JeWlkgSI

So at the very least, stick a "post-rock" tag on Agalloch because that's infused heavily in their sound now for the past two albums. Dark metal, well just take that off because that's untrue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3PV3orbHfE
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:44 am 
 

OzzyApu wrote:
Wouldn't it be proper to apply the post-rock tag to Agalloch now after this newest album? They've already tried it with the last full-length (it was very apparent), and now it's even more present. As far as black metal goes, this is really just atmospheric rock (aside from some heavier moments) with wussy harsh gargling. Nothing black metal or "dark metal" about it. In fact, dark metal this is not at all - Bethlehem or even Triptykon are dark metal; you can compare the two very easily.


Maybe "Atmospheric" in their tag already points out the "post" influences since post rock can be also defined atmospheric rock. As regards "dark metal" I think it refers to their heavier moments that sometimes are closer to doom with some blackened undertones

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:13 am 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114904

The "deathcore" tag was removed from their page for some reason. I don't know about their newest album, but the rest of their material is definitely deathcore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx67DRJUzRI

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:28 am 
 

Ramesses http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9752
They have nothing to do with death/doom. They play sludge/stoner.
A song from their first album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DafuBQ0xIF4
The whole first album on grooveshark: http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/album/M ... my/5253088
Two songs from their second album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVdzepTq5Zo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEdCQtAzh3o
The whole second album on grooveshark: http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/album/T ... se/5253149

Bloodparade http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=41101
Maybe they should be re-labeled as "Gothic Metal (early), Electronic/Industrial Metal (later)" as their last album is no more metal than Rammstein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAp-X0BPK2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qGB5K9dwwU
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/album/S ... ce/4375487

OzzyApu wrote:
Wouldn't it be proper to apply the post-rock tag to AgallochIn fact, dark metal this is not at all - Bethlehem or even Triptykon are dark metal; you can compare the two very easily.

Dark Metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoGkDtPqtbY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu1JeWlkgSI

Out of curiosity, I checked out both links and it made me discover one of the best doom albums of 2010! Triptykon's "Eparisteria Daimones" and "Shatter" EP are amazing! Thank you!
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