I posted this over a year ago and let it go because it was never addressed. But after seeing the recent genre change of Rush to solely "progressive rock", I can't help but bring it up again. When I think of progressive rock, I think of Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. Alex Lifeson's riffs are far heavier than those of the bands mentioned, so simply labeling them as "progressive rock" doesn't seem right. Again, I think the "progressive metal/rock" tag would do much justice as the band was arguably the first to combine the two genres cohesively and their final album, Clockwork Angels, fits this descriptor as well. Thanks.

We had a discussion on this recently, and a vast majority of the staff agreed with just "Progressive Rock" and not tagging them as metal in general. After all, Rush isn't listed for actually being metal, but as a selected exception.

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation Storm.

Ahh, another page bump

Hey I was wondering why the progressive metal band Circus Maximus isn't on this site? Are they not considered Metal?

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus_Ma ... egian_band)

Use the Band Appeals forum please.

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Um...they're right here? https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ci ... imus/32715

I think Hexecutor's latest album, Beyond Any Human Conception of Knowledge..., warrants a genre change to "black/thrash metal". This was brought up a couple years ago and turned down as it was found to be thrash with harsh vocals. However, the riffs and atmosphere on this latest release have a lot in common with Nifelheim, Absu, and Destroyer 666, among others.
https://hexecutor.bandcamp.com/album/be ... -knowledge

Ok, I'm not going to open up another report for Lacuna Coil because the one was just recently closed, so I will post here about the genre change. It was changed from Gothic Metal/Rock (early); Alternative Rock (later) to just Alternative Rock/Metal, which is fine but it is not a completely correct tag since their early stuff was indeed gothic. I didn't post the samples from that era because I thought there was no need for it, as I thought we were all in consensus about it. But I guess I was wrong, so that was a mistake on my part. Here are the samples, so you can verify that their early stuff is indeed gothic:
https://youtu.be/YfS62Ur8AEs
https://youtu.be/LgqSiYuEn0k
https://youtu.be/reYQ_lhvyTc
https://youtu.be/RYfmqvPigTk
https://youtu.be/p3u0ViapVuk
https://youtu.be/fErhAu6FISo
https://youtu.be/JY9rRYVlbiI
https://youtu.be/uwhDyo3oNyY
https://youtu.be/Bzb4SpJxNU0
https://youtu.be/pcME6d3CFvg
https://youtu.be/qGijPQn3OZs
https://youtu.be/rWyX2qxVet0
https://youtu.be/zDi1FwihzlQ
https://youtu.be/7Tp9EZgJf8s
https://youtu.be/Hg143Cwxd54
https://youtu.be/Nw561NWK9Zg

So yeah, I think that Gothic Metal/Rock (early); Alternative Rock/Metal (later) would be more correct. Sorry about this.

They're one of the most prominent gothic metal bands (at least on their early material); I assume the removal of that particular tag was a mistake. It's been reverted now.

Is there a reason Twisted Sister doesn't have Glam as part of their genre descriptor? Some of their early work vacillates between Heavy Metal and Sleaze Rock, but You Can't Stop Rock'n'Roll and Love Is for Suckers are both pure Glam Metal.

Can't comment on the early stuff of Avataria, but the recent releases are much more into Melodic Black/Dark Metal, than Gothic Metal/Rock, in my opinion:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Av ... iscography

https://avatariametal.bandcamp.com/albu ... orld-order
https://avatariametal.bandcamp.com/albu ... st-falling
https://avatariametal.bandcamp.com/album/apocalyptic

Should Peste Noire really be labelled as just black metal? They (or Famine rather) have included punk, folk, rap, electronic and a whole bunch of other out there stuff that makes them one of the most unique bands in all metal, not just black metal.

"Black metal" really does not do the band justice.

Seeing that RYM recognizes Viking Rock as a music genre, I would like to petition for two bands to have their respective Viking Rock periods recognized: Enhärjarna and Carcereduro

In the past, I submitted a report for Enhärjarna that the band's early work wasn't accurately reflected in the genre field. In my view, the field should read: Oi!/Viking Rock (early); Heavy/Power Metal (later)

Acoustic and wind instruments played in conjunction with Metal are prerequisite to even remotely merit being classified as Folk Metal, and the music from those Metal albums lack any trace of Folk music save the gang shouts which could come from any genre:

• The Last Stand (Oi!/Punk)
• Återkomsten (Viking Rock)
• Svea rikes arv (Viking Rock)
• Sprit, knogjärn och trekronor (Viking Rock)
• The Resurrection (Heavy/Power Metal)
• The Great Heathen Army (Heavy/Power Metal)

In the case of Carcereduro, their discography is consistently Viking Rock mixed with Folk Metal, although the latter two are much more metallic than the first album. The band even calls their own music French Viking Rock:

• À chaque époque ses héros (Viking Rock)
• D'éstoc et de taille (Viking Rock/Folk Metal)
• Ad Honorem (the only track from this album I could find, but it's a Metal/Viking Rock mix)

Viking Rock, called Vikingarock in Swedish, describes an Oi!-influenced subgenre of Punk Rock that emerged in Sweden during the early 1990s. Viking Rock bands commonly use electric Punk instrumentation with the occasional blending of acoustic instruments influenced by Swedish Folk Music. The music is characterized by energetic, catchy melodies and sing-along choruses. Vocals are often sung clean but shouted aggressively. Lyrics frequently take thematic imagery from 19th century Viking romanticism, Norse mythology, Scandinavian history and epic battles.

I think it's safe to say that Aborym no longer plays Industrial Black Metal. Their 2017 Album was a stretch and more akin to Industrial Rock/"metal" a la Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, Skinny Puppy. And if their newest single for their 2021 album is anything to off of, it's all but cemented. i think adding Industrial Black Metal (early), Industrial Rock/Metal (later) would be far more accurate.

https://aborym.bandcamp.com/album/hostile
https://aborym.bandcamp.com/album/shifting-negative

Agreed. I believe that "avant-garde black metal" or "experimental black metal" would fit the band's music better.

I made a report for this but it was closed. However, I really insist that Soilwork is no longer metalcore.

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... /show/mine

I explained a lot already in that report, but I'd like some more discussion. Maybe I can hear an argument for The Living Infinite having notable metalcore elements but it's very small, and negligible in my opinion. The Ride Majestic, Verkligheten, and A Whisp of the Atlantic have next to zero metalcore in it. Also, bands like MyGrain are similar in that they have metalcore influence but it's negligible in the genre field.

I know it makes the genres more complicated, but you cannot convince me that Soilwork's most recent material is metalcore. If Scar Symmetry isn't even labeled as metalcore, then Soilwork's recent material also shouldn't be either. So I still think the genre should be something like this:

Melodic Death Metal (early), Metalcore/Alternative Metal/Rock (mid), Melodic Groove Metal (Later). Like I said on the report, I'd also be in favor of the later genres being "progressive/melodic groove metal" since Soilwork has had progressive elements since Living Infinite and it shows the most on A Whisp of the Atlantic.

Btw the albums of theirs for consideration are posted on the report.

Dude, do I really have to repeat myself? The current genre tag is just fine.

Ninten, when a mod closes a report of yours because they disagreed with it, writing a post about the same exact thing on the forum is definitely not the thing to do and reflects badly on you.

Fine, I'll drop it. Sorry.

So, I was listening to Hammerschmitt today, specifically their self-titled full-length album, and it sounds mostly like power metal to me, though it's only tagged as heavy metal. There is some heavy metal sound in there, but to my ears it's primarily power metal, so at least a heavy/power metal tag would be more appropriate, I think. Link to the full album here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtsPwPSerfo

Arcane from the US are tagged as heavy/progressive metal, but to me they sound like power/thrash metal to me. I hear quite some Helstar in their sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL3ce-Ogb14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQMkQocxnXU

Ire from Canada is labelled "Progressive/Death/Doom/Sludge Metal/Crust" despite having no elements of death or prog at all. The fact they play slow doesn't mean they play prog, and they have no death metal riffs.

A more fitting genre label would be "Metalcore/Sludge Metal/Crust Punk," because they have a mostly first-wave metalcore based sound, but slower, with lots of crust and doom influences (like in bands such as Dystopia, Skaven, Sea of Deprivation, etc).

examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3bons7c94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPFsBey3BY (shit quality, but it's audible)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSRebossoww

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Hello
There are few of bands from the 625 Thrashcore roster which should have the powerviolence tag since most of them sound clearly like powerviolence and are often considered part of the powerviolence scene:

Emetic
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Emetic/3540367435
The Punk Rock MBA, who is a YouTuber who seems to know his share about punk rock and was a lot into the original pv scene in the 90s mentions them as an example of pv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5HT2V1loQ4
They sound a lot like pv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8QyJZopPu0

Plutocracy
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Plutocracy/21368
Their albums are often considered to be powerviolence
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... ping-pigz/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... dankstahz/
https://www.discogs.com/Plutocracy-Dank ... ter/375919
The first two examples I listened to from one of their records:
https://youtu.be/dBJt0E6jYwU?t=304
https://youtu.be/dBJt0E6jYwU?t=198
The Punk Rock MBA also mentions them as a pv band

Utter Bastard
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ut ... ard/115798
Again often considered pv:
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... r_bastard/
And they have very pv sounding releases:
https://utterbastard.bandcamp.com/album/beer-picnic-ep
https://utterbastard.bandcamp.com/album ... everywhere
They also label themselves powerviolence.
Their genre could have the the Punk tag replaced, like so:
Death Metal/Grindcore/Powerviolence

GAZ-66 Intrusion
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/GA ... 3540437761
This is very powerviolence:
https://gaz-66intrusion.bandcamp.com/
https://gaz-66intrusion.bandcamp.com/al ... idetracked
Again they label themselves powerviolence.

Deadbodieseverywhere
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... where/3543
Considered pv:
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... verywhere/
The first release in this discography video is already clearly pv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkXLoKWWVQ
https://youtu.be/AjkXLoKWWVQ?t=502

Thanks

Okay so I wanted to bring this here to discuss, rather than file a report.

Sea of Treachery and it's previous name, At Daggers Drawn, are labeled differently genre wise. This bothers me a bit since At Daggers Drawn's sole album is the almost the same as Sea of Treachery's debut since Sea of Treachery's debut is a re-release of At Dagger's Drawn's album (with the exception of a few songs, which are the exact same style anyway). I am aware though that Sea of Treachery has another album which could make it be labeled differently than At Dagger's Drawn, so I decided to take a listen.

GuardAwakening suggested some time ago that the genre should be melodic deathcore/metalcore. I disagree with this; I hear no deathcore in their sound at all. Their first album might sound similar to As Blood Runs Black in multiple ways but to me it's missing that "deathcore" sound. It honestly sounds closer to The Crimson Armada's debut, which isn't deathcore, but melodic death metal/metalcore, which is also what the page for At Dagger's Drawn is labeled as. Their second album, however, is closer to a general metalcore sound, but the melodeath influences are still there. I definitely don't hear any deathcore in that one either. (For the record, their 2007 demo is negligible since those songs were used in their debut, and sound exactly like the rest of the album).

I'd suggest labeling Sea of Treachery as "melodic death metal/metalcore" just like their old band name is. I think that sums up their discography well enough.

Here's Sea of Treachery's Spotify page that contains their two albums: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3p4wAte ... NOO6uJAtOw
Sea of Treachery's page: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Se ... ery/117275
At Dagger's Drawn's page: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/At ... awn/117260

I noticed some changes in Moonspell's sound and I was also browsing through some other gothic metal bands on this site and came to a conclusion that it is time to bring up the question of gothic metal tag as a whole. In one category we have some gothic metal bands which seem to have some rock leanings as well like Charon, Entwine, For My Pain, To/Die/For, and My Deception to name a few. Here are also some samples of those bands to get a clearer picture:
https://youtu.be/tCsJeV-OgeE
https://youtu.be/dNkQvxPsBlo
https://youtu.be/pqlax_IfN3s
https://youtu.be/rsWn4KTpqLw
https://youtu.be/metw8i3s7RU
https://youtu.be/2aRfKtHsTnw
https://youtu.be/NTol7tiXS7w
https://youtu.be/n2PM1z6DcZo
https://youtu.be/pMp_gQYOgiI
https://youtu.be/__Q_4H5Ld48

Then on the other hand we have Moonspell who are arguably heavier than those bands but still have gothic metal tag the same as those bands do. However, they also have some gothic rock in their sound especially when it comes to the songs from the upcoming album. The problem is that even if those bands' tags are changed to gothic metal/rock, changing Moonspell's tag to the same one as them would be a bit misleading since they still are on the heavier side of things despite having gothic rock tendencies. Also some samples:
"heavier" Moonspell:
https://youtu.be/XoooX3OVGoI
https://youtu.be/6SS7sos5YCs
https://youtu.be/sAn_t_1NdA8
https://youtu.be/il4MyUQGTqo
https://youtu.be/XGwWH7eqpwA
"softer" Moonspell:
https://youtu.be/0cOuc7NQJnY
https://youtu.be/rhUPFMGn9H8
https://youtu.be/pIAfdbVkbyw
https://youtu.be/yrNH94dP0DI

Then we have extreme gothic metal for which we have Cradle of Filth, Mizantropia among some other examples. But that tag isn't used as often, while we have some other bands alongside the aforementioned Moonspell who have their tag just as gothic metal, even though they have a heavier sound than most of the bands categorized under that tag, the most notable examples being Tribulation and Cloak. Some more samples:
https://youtu.be/t2Y4uZ0rnRk
https://youtu.be/X1T93JUwFa0
https://youtu.be/aSYxLD4ufig
https://youtu.be/TDMK5li5xWE
https://youtu.be/1P1dqyeODKo
https://youtu.be/TNZgqxAxaj4
https://youtu.be/yIh76XMva6s
https://youtu.be/iNjlS41S8yU

So taking all of the prior information into account the question is what should we do with the gothic metal tag going forward? It is obvious we can't generalize it anymore as just gothic metal because some of those bands just don't belong in the same basket. There has to be some distinction as to what qualifies as gothic metal/rock, what as just gothic metal, and what as extreme gothic metal. As we can hear from the samples many things can fall into the gothic metal category but not all of them have a similar sound.

Bumping since it's been two months and the new album is out.

Reflection of Glory (USA) should have the genre modified to "Gospel (and/or) Symphonic/Progressive Rock (early), Symphonic/Melodic Power Metal (later), based on his earlier albums:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... qz6Y2hUhGg
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... 8pMCaOZ8Kg
https://music.apple.com/us/album/birds- ... /917289836