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DeathFog
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:24 pm 
 

Since the early 90's Testament, had been moving towards the style which can be characterized by a fusion of Death / Thrash / Groove elements. Gradually the Thrash part of this fusion became the smallest one. The last album demonstrates it quite well, just that there are barely any Death Metal elements left there.

As for Exodus, I can agree that it is more "flirting" than anything, but starting from the TTOD, the groove part has been becoming more and more prominent. Currently The Atrocity Exhibition peaks this direction of development. I see a tendency here.
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Carter
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:07 pm 
 

I think Frameless Scar's genre should be changed to "Melodic Extreme Metal".

http://www.myspace.com/framelessscar

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Visionary
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:43 pm 
 

Carter wrote:
I think Frameless Scar's genre should be changed to "Melodic Extreme Metal".

http://www.myspace.com/framelessscar


I'd label them as Melodic Death Metal.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:22 pm 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=35243

Should be "Dark Ambient/'Black' Metal".

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540287213

Should be "Melodic Death/Power Metal".

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:05 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540290617

This band was a mallcore band on their old album before switching to their current style. Here is an old song of theirs to prove that they were mallcore :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMSREMtN6Gw

the genre should be changed to:

Mallcore (Early), Groove Metal/Hardcore (Now)

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:07 pm 
 

Wow, is it the same band for real? That crap isn't even mallcore, it's pure rap.

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Carter
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:07 am 
 

Virulent Gestation should probably be changed to "Brutal Death Metal/Goregrind".

http://www.myspace.com/virulentgestation

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:45 am 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Wow, is it the same band for real? That crap isn't even mallcore, it's pure rap.


I've read their biography, the members were experimenting with rapcore. i think the first album was just an attempt at getting mainstream, but now they're pretty much back to their metal roots.

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Takatalvi
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:46 pm 
 

Can someone else who listen to Sonata Arctica also confirm that their genre should be changed to, for example, "Power Metal (earlier), Power / Progressive Metal (later)" or something like that. It should have been changed after the release of Unia (2007) but now after The Days of Grays (2009) it's even more undeniable.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:23 pm 
 

I would label this as heavy metal and not thrash metal.
http://www.myspace.com/dycianmaze

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540289528
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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:37 am 
 

Takatalvi wrote:
Can someone else who listen to Sonata Arctica also confirm that their genre should be changed to, for example, "Power Metal (earlier), Power / Progressive Metal (later)" or something like that. It should have been changed after the release of Unia (2007) but now after The Days of Grays (2009) it's even more undeniable.


Unless the tracks on Myspace are not representative, I don't think the style change is significant enough. There are some fairly prominent AOR/neo-prog influenced keyboards, but nothing that hasn't become an integral part of melodic/symphonic power metal's standard toolbox.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:51 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4772
http://www.myspace.com/copremesis

Brutal death/grind, I'd say.
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Nyaricus
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:02 am 
 

Am I the only one who doesn't hear much death metal in Goatwhore?

I've been listening to this band tons lately, seen them twice in the last couple of months, and really, I'm just not hearing the death metal "side" of their genre tag here on MA. I hear a mix of black metal and maybe something akin to black 'n' roll or blackened heavy metal, but not really death metal...

It reminds me of how Arghoslent is pure dm, with some wicked old school heavy metal-inspired riffs, save for that Goatwhore is black metal-based.

Great band, but I just don't think that tag does them justice....

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:45 am 
 

I've been checking the discography of Unholy Grave to confirm that they are nothing but pure noisecore and can be deleted, but much to my surprise I've discovered that their earliest stuff actually sounds a lot like death metal, so I propose that their genre be changed to "Grindcore / Death Metal (early), Grind / Noisecore (later)".
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Carter
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:27 pm 
 

Cadaverous State: "Death Metal/Grindcore"

No grindcore at all in their music.

http://www.myspace.com/cadaverousstate

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:44 am 
 

Nyaricus wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't hear much death metal in Goatwhore?

I've been listening to this band tons lately, seen them twice in the last couple of months, and really, I'm just not hearing the death metal "side" of their genre tag here on MA. I hear a mix of black metal and maybe something akin to black 'n' roll or blackened heavy metal, but not really death metal...

I hear dominant death/thrash influences in many songs.

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Radagast
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:28 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Takatalvi wrote:
Can someone else who listen to Sonata Arctica also confirm that their genre should be changed to, for example, "Power Metal (earlier), Power / Progressive Metal (later)" or something like that. It should have been changed after the release of Unia (2007) but now after The Days of Grays (2009) it's even more undeniable.


Unless the tracks on Myspace are not representative, I don't think the style change is significant enough. There are some fairly prominent AOR/neo-prog influenced keyboards, but nothing that hasn't become an integral part of melodic/symphonic power metal's standard toolbox.

I'd have to back Takatalvi on this one. I haven't heard the newest one but certainly Unia was very un-power metal for the most part, with loads of spastic time changes and songs even lacking basic melody.

My turn: I see Megedeth's genre has recently been changed to "Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal (1990s)" which is an attempt to be more specific than the previous tag but is, at least, in my view quite erroneous.

I'd suggest "Speed/Thrash Metal (80s), Heavy Metal/Rock (90s), Heavy/Thrash Metal (2000s)"

It may look a little unwieldy but I think it paints a truer picture. The current tag suggests that all their 90s work was metal (which in the case of Cryptic Writings and most obviously Risk it definitely was not), and also that all their material since the turn of the millenium has been pure thrash, which isn't correct either.

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Folkemon_
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:29 pm 
 

should Portals genre be changed? http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5471

they're more than just death/black metal

maybe Technical/Experimental Black/Death metal
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:14 pm 
 

There are currently eight bands with the tag "Sludgecore" listed in their genre in the database. http://www.metal-archives.com/search.ph ... type=genre

I always thought that was -if not a useless product of the -core-fad- at least a quite redundant label as sludge metal is already part hardcore. Or is it a legit term describing bands leaning noticably more towards the punk side? Just curious.
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HOT_DOG_DAY_89
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:21 pm 
 

It would be less confusing for people who don't know why Thin Lizzy is on the archives if the genre(s) said Hard Rock (early), NWOBHM (later)

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Radagast
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:21 am 
 

Radagast wrote:
MMisantropo wrote:
Takatalvi wrote:
Can someone else who listen to Sonata Arctica also confirm that their genre should be changed to, for example, "Power Metal (earlier), Power / Progressive Metal (later)" or something like that. It should have been changed after the release of Unia (2007) but now after The Days of Grays (2009) it's even more undeniable.


Unless the tracks on Myspace are not representative, I don't think the style change is significant enough. There are some fairly prominent AOR/neo-prog influenced keyboards, but nothing that hasn't become an integral part of melodic/symphonic power metal's standard toolbox.

I'd have to back Takatalvi on this one. I haven't heard the newest one but certainly Unia was very un-power metal for the most part, with loads of spastic time changes and songs even lacking basic melody.

My turn: I see Megedeth's genre has recently been changed to "Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal (1990s)" which is an attempt to be more specific than the previous tag but is, at least, in my view quite erroneous.

I'd suggest "Speed/Thrash Metal (80s), Heavy Metal/Rock (90s), Heavy/Thrash Metal (2000s)"

It may look a little unwieldy but I think it paints a truer picture. The current tag suggests that all their 90s work was metal (which in the case of Cryptic Writings and most obviously Risk it definitely was not), and also that all their material since the turn of the millenium has been pure thrash, which isn't correct either.

Any takers?

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HOT_DOG_DAY_89
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:20 pm 
 

HOT_DOG_DAY_89 wrote:
It would be less confusing for people who don't know why Thin Lizzy is on the archives if the genre(s) said Hard Rock (early), NWOBHM (later)


anyone?

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fetalfeast
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:48 pm 
 

EntilZha wrote:
I've been checking the discography of Unholy Grave to confirm that they are nothing but pure noisecore and can be deleted, but much to my surprise I've discovered that their earliest stuff actually sounds a lot like death metal, so I propose that their genre be changed to "Grindcore / Death Metal (early), Grind / Noisecore (later)".


I second this. I own Crucified, and it sounds exactly like early Deathgrind.

Also, I would change Infected(Ukr) to Death metal/Grindcore. I also own Infected Generation, and it is very much in that style.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=33195

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AntiJoe88
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:30 pm 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=69259

As Blood Runs Black

Could possibly be changed to just 'Deathcore'

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:09 pm 
 

Replica (Aut) should probably read "Thrash Metal/Metalcore" as they have shifted toward a more -core sound with their full-length.
God, all those nimrods labelling themselves "Thrashcore" ...

http://www.myspace.com/soundofreplica - all songs available there are from the album in question.
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hammerlord
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:42 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22384

Should be Atmospheric Acoustic / Ambient / Folk

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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:58 pm 
 

After hearing the entire WASP discography, I'd like to say that they're a bit more than just traditional heavy metal / hard rock. You might as well add the bit of industrial (when it existed), and the band certainly moved into more progressive territories post-1990. This spanned multiple albums, so I figure it'd be more accurate.

They went from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vt-6VKG2ow
To these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjMkDRivI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boptcdvX27E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYaQreKJl4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4OMlcSdPVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k5raMKDyaU

Progressive / Heavy Metal, Hard Rock or something along those lines if you had to narrow it down.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=544
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Shit, Catamenia, too, are more than melodic black metal. In fact, they are more power metal now than ever before. This change became evident on Chaos Born, but it became very noticable on Location: Cold.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=557

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ni81Bsgef8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnKKNlsb ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKoCHa_X ... re=related

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:53 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=12645
judging from the MySpace site, see the notes, black metal does not seem to cover all the facets.

here:
http://dunkelheit616.blogspot.com/2007/ ... -1999.html

the music has a good deal of Gothic influences.
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8249
http://www.myspace.com/cropment

Brutal Death Metal.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:02 pm 
 

WASP: their later material is more serious and less juvenile, but not an ounce more progressive than the Fuck Like a Beast stuff. Aren't you mixing progressive with conceptual?

Catamenia: good call, I hope fanboys won't throw a fit.

Thin Lizzy: not NWOBHM.

As Bllod Runs Black: same meaning.

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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:30 am 
 

I guess I can settle for WASP the way they are; I just got the idea because they used a different approach, style, instruments, shit like that.

Catamenia on the other hand - Blackened Melodic Power Metal? :lol: That's a first. Not that it's specifically incorrect, but it just looks weird when you read it / sounds weird when you say it. However, I guess that's as close as you can get to nailing their new sound down. Great job MMisantropo!
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HOT_DOG_DAY_89
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:41 pm 
 

[quote="MMisantropo"]
Thin Lizzy: not NWOBHM.
/quote]

how about just heavy metal then? Hard Rock (early), Heavy Metal (later)

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:09 pm 
 

This band has quite a bit of industrial influence, and i think it should be mentioned in the genre.
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540285610
http://www.myspace.com/virrasztok

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Radagast
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:26 am 
 

Decadenze - http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=96864

I think either "Glam" or "Hard Rock" should be affixed to the genre tag. Just being called "Heavy Metal" is a bit misleading (which may have been the person who submitted them's plan since I think there's a case for them not being on the site at all).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:32 pm 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1318

Should probably be "Thrash Metal (early) 'Blackened' Death Metal (now)". Their debut, "Plagued", was strictly and plainly thrash metal. Then on "Unearthed" they took an approach to Blackened Death and have since stayed that way.

Thrash Metal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClbigS4WHJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJOkQQMRauU

Blackened Death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX0qLCU_ozo

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:18 pm 
 

Crimson Thorn: so many bands played a different style in the first demo, I don't think it's relevant enough to warrant a mention.

Thin Lizzy: I'm not sure that their style can accurately be separated in two distinct chronological periods. For instance, IMO their most metal album is Chinatown, but the following album, Renegade, is hardly metal at all.


Virrasztok: I hardly hear any industrial, other than a couple of very brief drum machine intros.

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Perplexed_Sjel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:15 am 
 

Askival should be changed to Celtic/Folk/Black Metal.

Tuagh, the creator of the band asked if he could have it changed. This is part of the e-mail where he asked me if it could be changed just to offer some semblance of proof that he did ask (I don't think it would be wise of me to provide his e-mail address):

"From: Tuagh Askival

Hey there!

I was wondering if you could help me though? To update the Askival page.

The changes I need are...

I would like the genre to be updated to : Celtic/Folk/Black Metal"

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm 
 

Irrelevant change. I'd point you out to the recommendations at the beginning of this thread.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:22 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Crimson Thorn: so many bands played a different style in the first demo, I don't think it's relevant enough to warrant a mention.


I can agree with that, now that you mention it.

I still think the genre needs to at least make acknowledgment of their black elements. Perhaps 'Blackened' or just 'Black'/Death would suffice. Here are some samples of their music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX0qLCU_ozo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZfBx8KcuW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppae2PnqHg8

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uglur
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:59 pm 
 

this: Death/Thrash Metal (early), should be removed from Valfeanors Genre because it was the music he made with "Mortar" before the band was named Valfeanor!

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=100148
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540293306

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