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ksevile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:56 pm 
 

lord_lcf entered his username into the alternate name/spelling field.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=19625
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:14 pm 
 

I'm going through and deleting all the false info Oscuros666 added. If anyone wants to help out here's the list:

http://www.metal-archives.com/last-edit.php?username=Oscuros666

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Predator667
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:26 pm 
 

little_satan seems to have added some weird "alternate names" to Slayer (USA), Metallica and Anthrax (yeah, "seems to"... I know that we now have that awesome 'last_edit' thing, but I'm not sure how to interpret the freaking results :roll: ).
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Amoebic_D
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:29 pm 
 

Just nit-picking but when I add albums/update track times I go ahead and properly capitalize song titles (ie. articles, conjunctions and prepositions in lowercase). Recently, the user gothic_metal has edited quite a few of those entries and I've noticed that the track titles are all capitalized now.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:18 am 
 

He updated after you and capitalized the conjunction you left in lower case?
Do you remind an album he updated?

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Amoebic_D
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:57 am 
 

Here's a few that I've since corrected:

http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=285287
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=284017
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=275434

Here's some that I haven't corrected:

http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=278140
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=162699
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=276491
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=242171
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=67638
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=162704
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=149261
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=176506

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:25 am 
 

He shouldn't do that, indeed. At all. But even more when someone updated the track titles with the correct capitalization before him.

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:53 pm 
 

I'll tell her how to properly capitalize song names.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:36 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540312354
fake releases as far the eyes can see?
Every label is unknown and jsut take a look at the pictures ... cheap jpg with a logo put on them.
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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:10 am 
 

user "norfin" is adding track lengths one by one on various albums

I saw him doing it for "Izual - Demo '06" and for Isengrim - Kaaos Ja Käärme album

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:20 pm 
 

Points removed and warning sent.

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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:37 pm 
 

user "Heartless_Metal" is also pointwhoring

1) he has 1245 pts and 0 band submitted... nor reviews
2) he has been updating Deep Purple page for about 10 minutes and suddenly jumped from 1239 to 1247 points in less than 30 seconds so he surely adds track lengths one by one

he's up to 1264 now, 10 minutes later ....

and now 1278 again 9 minutes later

so I guess you've understood what he's doing

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:40 pm 
 

I've removed a few points. That guy is around for a few years already and never caused any trouble.

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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:26 am 
 

user "stocking" is adding merchandise links to Psychedelic Lotus on various pages but those links are dead links

http://psychedeliclotus.wordpress.com/

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Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here.


I'll start deleting them but he added several

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:46 am 
 

They do work, just click on the menu.

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:16 am 
 

User ChristianSteel ( http://www.metal-archives.com/userprofi ... stianSteel ) seems to be updating a lot of bands in very little time, many of them being bands whose names begin with numbers (such as 21 Lucifer, 2 Son Predator, etc). I've seen about 10-12 bands updated by him just now and they all have "death" under "Lyrical themes", so he might be adding that randomly.
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kimiwind
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:27 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/userprofi ... er=Alhadis
A point whore. He adds length times for tracks 1 by 1, and the majority of them are incomplete. He do that for all newest added bands, and he picks up track lengths from their myspace page, which are not necessarily accurate. Sometimes bands stream only samples.

And that user norfin is still adding track lengths 1 by 1 too. (Already warned).

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:30 am 
 

ChristianSteel - Nothing wrong with his updates. Btw, you can actually see some of the updates if you use the following tool, http://www.metal-archives.com/last-edit.php
Norfin - I didn't receive any reply so I'll just keep on removing his points and he can carry on with his Sisyphus task to become a veteran.
Alhadis - We don't really have any rule against adding tracks lengths from Myspace. Also, most tracks on Myspace are complete.

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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:06 am 
 

Even if he's a Metal Demon some changes made by 68686 are very useless...

ex: Desastrious, Loekr inn Niflheim album

The notes stated this morning "Re-released in 2010 on tape by Heidens Hart. Limited to 333 handnumbered copies"

now he changed it to

Re-released in 2010 on tape limited to 333 handnumbered copies by Heidens Hart.

Same meaning... useless change

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Napero
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:09 am 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
ChristianSteel - Nothing wrong with his updates. Btw, you can actually see some of the updates if you use the following tool, http://www.metal-archives.com/last-edit.php

It seems to me that he keeps changing either intruments or lyrical themes so that he writes them with capital letters, that's all. Not only is it redundant, it's also against grammar rules, and, in my humble and ignorable opinion, fucking ugly. But based on discussions on the mod board, I think I'm in the minority when it comes to these things...

Never mind.
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kimiwind
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:21 am 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
ChristianSteel - Nothing wrong with his updates. Btw, you can actually see some of the updates if you use the following tool, http://www.metal-archives.com/last-edit.php

Actually relating to the new tool tracking system, i just figured out that his updates for those bands starting with numbers are the following:
He capitalize the lyrical themes
For exp: Before: Antichristian, death, philosophy
After: Antichristian, Death, Philosophy
He did that for shitload of bands, which it looks just stupid.
Scroll down:
http://www.metal-archives.com/last-edit ... stianSteel
Edit: However, Nap beat me to it!

Evenfiel wrote:
Alhadis - We don't really have any rule against adding tracks lengths from Myspace. Also, most tracks on Myspace are complete.

I see the point. But the issue here is that he adds 1 by 1, and mypsace page does not include all the songs of the release, so basically there is no chance to add the complete lenghts, therefore it looks ugly on the release info page, for exp:
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=286792

I mean add them all or better leave them all.

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:45 am 
 

Napero wrote:
Evenfiel wrote:
ChristianSteel - Nothing wrong with his updates. Btw, you can actually see some of the updates if you use the following tool, http://www.metal-archives.com/last-edit.php

It seems to me that he keeps changing either intruments or lyrical themes so that he writes them with capital letters, that's all. Not only is it redundant, it's also against grammar rules, and, in my humble and ignorable opinion, fucking ugly. But based on discussions on the mod board, I think I'm in the minority when it comes to these things...

Never mind.

He's doing - among other things - aesthetic updates. Now I also do think that it's damn ugly to capitalize all words in the lyrical theme, but since we don't have a rule regarding that, and many mods do something similar - like capitalizing all words in the genre section - I can't really do anything against that user. Besides, not all his aesthetic updates are reprehensible.

Zorg85 wrote:
Even if he's a Metal Demon some changes made by 68686 are very useless...

Who cares if he wants to spend his time with stylistic updates? He's not vandalizing the site, so I couldn't care less.

Alhadis - Lost some points due to 1 by 1 track updates.

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Jakko
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:24 am 
 

Sorry but some of ChristianSteel are very useless such as adding "Releases" in BOLD letters in add notes, then you can do it on thousands of pages

ex: Horror Factory page, what that very essential?

Also about capitalizing instruments as Napero said it's not good grammaticaly

Also it should be done something about this: he capitalizes them all whereas Demenekan uncapitalizes a lot of them

So either both are wrong and then should be warned or you let them doing this and it's conterproductive ...

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Napero
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:40 am 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
Now I also do think that it's damn ugly to capitalize all words in the lyrical theme, but since we don't have a rule regarding that, and many mods do something similar - like capitalizing all words in the genre section - I can't really do anything against that user.

I'd love to have a rule, or at the very least, a guideline, against this. I can somehow understand the desire to have the genre in all caps, even if I personally think it looks retarded, but generally, this site is in English, not German. "War" and "Death" can be proper nouns if you discuss the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, but as activities, they do not deserve capital letters. And Bass or Banjo is a good name for a pet, but the instruments are simple common nouns, not given names to an individual instrument, and thus need no caps in them (with the possible exception of Claypool's Rainbow Bass and a particular guitar known as Lucille). It's as simple as that.

As far as making a rule goes, however, this discussion should take place on the mod forum.

BTW, I personally remove the redundant capital letters when I make other edits. They are an eyesore, and if we skip grammar rules in this case for some assumed "aesthetics", we could as well start WrItIng In A HxCx 1337 Way!!!11One!! Some people think it looks GOOD!
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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:57 am 
 

Jakko wrote:
Sorry but some of ChristianSteel are very useless such as adding "Releases" in BOLD letters in add notes, then you can do it on thousands of pages

ex: Horror Factory page, what that very essential?

Personally, I don't mind that. It's certainly not essential. Should he get a warning for that? No. I also wouldn't mind if he wanted to add that on thousands of pages. If you want, you can also update thousands of pages by adding instruments of previous members in bold. That looks pretty good to me, especially when a band has a few previous members.

Napero: We've already had some discussions about that. See the Free-for-all thread pages 24 and 36. Also check out the "Syntax Rules for band entries?" thread.

Btw, I do capitalize the first instrument. :lol:

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Napero
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:18 am 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
Btw, I do capitalize the first instrument. :lol:

Well, so do I. Because that's what grammar rules dictate.

There's a logic hidden somewhere in here... ;)
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:09 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
Evenfiel wrote:
Btw, I do capitalize the first instrument. :lol:

Well, so do I. Because that's what grammar rules dictate.

There's a logic hidden somewhere in here... ;)

It's a list in a stand-alone title field, so it just seems natural to native English speakers to capitalize each item. If the list was part of a full sentence, or a paragraph, then it would not make sense to capitalize. Most data fields in MA, with the exception of the additional notes fields, are for listing data. No full sentences or paragraphs are required or even desirable. Grammar rules don't necessarily apply (since they are not full sentences!)

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Napero
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:17 pm 
 

Meh. Still looks butt ugly. Not quite as awful as band names in all caps in reviews, but shitty and pretentious anyway.
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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:51 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
Evenfiel wrote:
Btw, I do capitalize the first instrument. :lol:

Well, so do I. Because that's what grammar rules dictate.

There's a logic hidden somewhere in here... ;)

Oh, I was under the impression that you didn't capitalize them.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:40 am 
 

kimiwind wrote:
I see the point. But the issue here is that he adds 1 by 1, and mypsace page does not include all the songs of the release, so basically there is no chance to add the complete lenghts, therefore it looks ugly on the release info page, for exp:


Sorry, just thought I'd speak up and stick up for myself here: I add the track durations "1 by 1" because I'm scrounging all sorts of sources. Do you seriously think I'm pulling all that info from MySpace? I search Last.fm, blogs, review sites, news sites, and... oh yes, the band's own last.fm. I even take the liberty of cross-checking my sources to ensure that there's a consistent duration for the track times.

I've even resorted to messaging bands and Last.fm users privately on some occasions when I felt there was no other way of obtaining the information (particularly for obscure releases and demos). Recent example:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1087/ffs.png

Don't be so idiotic as to assume I'd miss clean, blatant bloody English: <i><b>"Please do not make a separate update for each track if you have more than one track to update."</b></i> Do you expect me to honestly wait for every single person's reply before committing a single update? Get real.

kimiwind wrote:
I mean add them all or better leave them all.

And I would've added them all, EXCEPT I COULDN'T FIND THAT FRIGGING SONG. You wanna point me to where somebody's uploaded that track and then I'll let you fill it out, boy? FFS.

Evenfiel wrote:
Alhadis - Lost some points due to 1 by 1 track updates.

At least now I know where that came from. Heh. I initially thought it was Witcher because he'd rejected a band twice the other night, and I noticed points missing. Ahaha.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:51 am 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
Napero wrote:
Evenfiel wrote:
Btw, I do capitalize the first instrument. :lol:

Well, so do I. Because that's what grammar rules dictate.

There's a logic hidden somewhere in here... ;)

Oh, I was under the impression that you didn't capitalize them.


You do. If it's a standard paragraph, you only capitalise names or the first letter of a sentence. If it's a serialised list, the general practice is to capitalise each element of a line.

<i>"Dennis - Guitars, Vocals, Drums"</i>

Which is arguably prettier than:

<i>"Dennis - guitars, vocals, drums"</i>

You're trying to present a list to be as clear and immediately readable as possible. And yes, while it is an incredibly banal issue, it doesn't hurt to sweep little things like that up for the sake of cleaner formatting.

<b>EDIT:</b> It'd also be reasonable to capitalise the first instrument in the case of a long list like that one: "Guitars, vocals, drums". And yeah, I'm pretty sure I can hear people groaning and muttering "ffs, who cares...?" now, so I'll shut up. :D

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:02 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Evenfiel wrote:
Oh, I was under the impression that you didn't capitalize them.


You do. If it's a standard paragraph, you only capitalise names or the first letter of a sentence. If it's a serialised list, the general practice is to capitalise each element of a line.

I meant to say that "I was under the impression that you (Napero) didn't capitalize them".

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:05 am 
 

Oh, right.

... *has stopped looking for duration-less releases now out of the plain fear he'll be jeopardised again* D:

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:08 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Oh, right.

... *has stopped looking for duration-less releases now out of the plain fear he'll be jeopardised again* D:

Don't worry, you can keep on with your work.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:11 am 
 

Thank you. ^^ *still feeling cautious nonetheless* >_>;

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kimiwind
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:45 pm 
 

Alhadis wrote:
I add the track durations "1 by 1" because I'm scrounging all sorts of sources.

Alhadis wrote:
Don't be so idiotic as to assume I'd miss clean, blatant bloody English: <i><b>"Please do not make a separate update for each track if you have more than one track to update."</b></i>

:lol: :lol:
You made my day :p

And by the way, adding track lengths isn't so important here in the site, there is alot much more to do in the pages than filling songs lengths. You see? Because at the end, someone else who got the album will add them sooner or later. And since we are now in 21 centuary, it is not so demanding to get the lengths of albums, everything is available for download ;).
And the rules are the rules. The only exeption here is adding lyrics (by hand), which is tolerated to add them 1 by 1. Otherwise, anything else is copy and past whatever you contacted the band about it or you downloaded the album, ect ..
All in all, if you are trying to improve the site it's very good, but you must obey the rules. Your points will not make any sense if your just keeping increasing it from illegeal updates. This points system is done to encourage people to contribute and resume their valid updates in digital form. But to be obssesed to boost your rank whatever the price, it only looks thoroughly stupid.

PS: And please, watch out your mouth, and stop sending me pm about your inner problems.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:14 pm 
 

kimiwind wrote:
:lol: :lol:
You made my day :p

And by the way, adding track lengths isn't so important here in the site, there is alot much more to do in the pages than filling songs lengths. You see? Because at the end, someone else who got the album will add them sooner or later. And since we are now in 21 centuary, it is not so demanding to get the lengths of albums, everything is available for download ;).
And the rules are the rules. The only exeption here is adding lyrics (by hand), which is tolerated to add them 1 by 1. Otherwise, anything else is copy and past whatever you contacted the band about it or you downloaded the album, ect ..
All in all, if you are trying to improve the site it's very good, but you must obey the rules. Your points will not make any sense if your just keeping increasing it from illegeal updates. This points system is done to encourage people to contribute and resume their valid updates in digital form.


Does it make you feel good being that condescending? :p Do you get a kick out of sounding like an expert for telling me shit I already know? You misinterpreted my actions so far out of context, you're making it sound as though I'm a point-grubbing vandal... rather than somebody who's self-admittedly obsessed with keeping things organised.

You're just a self-appointed whistle-blower who's now justifying his actions for obsessively chasing down any other users. Tell you what: why not spend less time perving on other users and more time actually making a contribution to the site yourself?

And FFS, there's a hell of a lot more I was updating than just frigging song titles.

Alhadis wrote:
I add the track durations "1 by 1" because I'm scrounging all sorts of sources.

Yes, "1 by 1" with generally several hours in between. Just desperate to nitpick, aren't you?

kimiwind wrote:
But to be obssesed to boost your rank whatever the price, it only looks thoroughly stupid.

Only because people like you make it look obsessed.


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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:21 pm 
 

kimiwind wrote:
Otherwise, anything else is copy and past whatever you contacted the band about it or you downloaded the album, ect ..


... and what the hell is that supposed to mean?

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:30 pm 
 

Guys, this issue is settled.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:35 pm 
 

Yeah, you're right. Think it's time I got some sleep... it's 4:30 AM here. Lol.

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