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aloof
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:08 pm 
 

for some reason, I get the idea that this critical warning might not have worked :D
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:42 am 
 

He hasn't made any updates since the last notice, and hasn't read the notice yet.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:45 am 
 

I don't know if there's something wrong with the website clock, or the notification system, but I posted the previous message when he added the lastfm link to deathspell omega (2014-09-09 22:01:05), and he's made quite a few updates since, including after your message...
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:51 am 
 

Ah, some confusion here, Diamhea deleted his warning regarding Last.fm links. It's lame, but technically not disallowed if he keeps it to the unofficial tab.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:31 pm 
 

Yes, I retracted the messages in light of some moderator discourse late last night. Incredibly frustrating in some ways, as this is from a certain point of view blatant point-whoring, but it can be argued that the last.fm links contribute at least something unique to themselves more often than not.

He shouldn't be adding last.fm.br links though.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:20 am 
 

...or the whiplash links, or the "complete album on youtube" links. I foresee great things once he actually hits veteran status.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:01 am 
 

So after I finished my daily closing-report work, I now had the new one to do: deleting hundreds of links one by one. Link-deleting-phobia. :durr:

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Haat888
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:25 am 
 

romvilla is pointwhoring: adding track lengths 1 by 1 (see Blodorn for example), using notes to add information (http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Adam_B./175982)

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Abiie/580122

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Be ... E13/457463 = live album? there is an option for this

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Defreasis
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:53 pm 
 

Look she's back, ban her
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/PODSeether14
http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... d/id/82136

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:06 pm 
 

Haat888 wrote:
romvilla is pointwhoring: adding track lengths 1 by 1 (see Blodorn for example), using notes to add information (http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Adam_B./175982)

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Abiie/580122

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Be ... E13/457463 = live album? there is an option for this


Azmodes warned him about this on the 22nd and I don't see any later instances of one-by-one lyric additions. The other stuff is worth a reminder, but I wouldn't necessarily call any of this point whoring. I'll remind him about adding dreck to the artist bios, but to be honest we get a lot of that.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:24 am 
 

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Banned again, as well as some other associated accounts. We'll look into a more permanent solution, but if you find another one, please immediately post it here. This is the original user, by the way. Seems he got pissed off by a warning he received about dumb edits and started a tour of vandalism.
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MetalCuresHeadaches
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:37 am 
 

Someone needs to chat with Death_metal_knight, per this closed report, which corrected all of the release info on an EP from Dawn of Creation. None of the band's pages mention a release in June (as was originally listed on the site), nor do they mention physical versions of the release. Perhaps there's something that isn't obvious of the band's BandCamp or Facebook, but if that is not the case, it would appear that Death_metal_knight flubbed his info when he submitted the band.
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Insidiae
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:25 pm 
 

I was correcting some typos and adding recording info on Nightbringer's last album when I stumbled upon a guesswork lineup by The_Black_Goldfish, which was wrong and incomplete.
Since all of this user modifications consists of adding lineups maybe this a recurrent action.

I corrected and completed all. If needed, here's a booklet scan.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:57 pm 
 

Warned.
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MetalCuresHeadaches
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:21 am 
 

Beergelmir needs some refreshers on the finer points of version descriptions. this and this are prime examples.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:11 am 
 

Notified.
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Amoebic_D
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:33 am 
 

Probably want to mention to gothic_metal the proper use of the box set release type:

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:40 am 
 

Notified.
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androdion
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:38 pm 
 

Is this whoring, is the guy dumb, or is it alright (though I hardly doubt it)?

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/satanath

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Sa ... ide/447706
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/In ... eat/461979
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Di ... ult/461976

Just a few examples of albums or reissues that were co-released and in which he added as much different versions as there are labels co-releasing them. This can't be right can it?!
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:43 pm 
 

It isn't, and I ironically dealt with this about 2 minutes before reading your post.
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Lord_Brendan
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:59 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/dantes

This person has been copy pasting the same thing basiclly into a whole bunch of band's info. Just noticed because of the same band names showing in newest updates
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yentass
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:05 am 
 

Lord_Brendan wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/dantes

This person has been copy pasting the same thing basiclly into a whole bunch of band's info. Just noticed because of the same band names showing in newest updates

It's not exactly "the same thing" - he's picking bands with names taken from Norse mythology and adds the definition of the appropriate term in the additional notes. Kinda doubt it's proper point-whoring, as the practice of clarifying a given band's name and/or pronunciation when not obvious to most (e.g. is not in English) is not something unheard of, but I am as well not entirely sure how worthy of a contribution is this particular case, since the info he's adding is perfectly Google-able trivia.
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dantes
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:56 pm 
 

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I am as well not entirely sure how worthy of a contribution is this particular case, since the info he's adding is perfectly Google-able trivia.

Being a MA student in Old Norse Religion, I beg to differ. Sure, some definitions are rather plain and bare, because the relevant information is rather non-controversial (Ágarðr, Valhöll) but in many cases I saw so much BS, outright lies and sickening oversimplification that it prompted me to do those massive edits. I agree though, that the information offered are in most cases, very condensed and do not present an accurate picture of the current academic debates surrounding them, but IMO, MA is not the best place to discuss such (completely peripheral in this case) issues. But believe me, it did indeed hurt not to write more about such fascinating subjects as the Medieval evolution of the concept of Jötunn, the rather troubling links between the figures of Valkyrjar and Fylgja or the etymological ramifications of Muspell.

Also, I obviously did not use Wikipedia but rather some of my Academically shit-proof books plus a tiny bit of personal knowledge gleaned from extensive research here and there. But upon further consideration, I have to admit that most Wiki pages on the subject of the Old Norse Religion are pretty decent.

So, what say you?

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:58 pm 
 

I sent him a reminder to cease such action and clean up what he has done so far. It just isn't necessary, lest the additional notes become an unworkable disaster. It doesn't help that many of his description blurbs contain glaring typos that he just copies and pastes to each band, compounding the cleanup.

EDIT: Sorry dantes didn't see you posted here...well check your site profile.
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dantes
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:18 pm 
 

I fixed the typos I could find. Otherwise, I don't plan on adding anything more.

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Klaagzang
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:01 am 
 

yentass wrote:
Lord_Brendan wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/dantes

This person has been copy pasting the same thing basiclly into a whole bunch of band's info. Just noticed because of the same band names showing in newest updates

It's not exactly "the same thing" - he's picking bands with names taken from Norse mythology and adds the definition of the appropriate term in the additional notes.


Came across this on the page of a band that has nothing to do with Norse Mythology. Incredibly annoying.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:16 am 
 

It's been dealt with. He meant well, but it is generally a misallocation of resources especially coming from a good contributor otherwise.
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MetalCuresHeadaches
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:08 pm 
 

Label accounts should have to pass a test before editing, so they avoid shit updates.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:19 pm 
 

Warned.

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thrashmaniac87
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:27 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Asti78

This guy's doing a lot of version description updates such as deleting things like vinyl color, country, 'remastered', 'gatefold' etc.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:33 pm 
 

He has the right idea, as I don't believe that "Gatefold" deserves a place in the description field, but he is nuking it altogether when he should be moving it to the notes. We also shouldn't be adding the country to every single version, only as a way to differentiate two nearly-identical entries. He is making a few mistakes though, I'll send him a reminder.
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Andre Gaius
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:33 pm 
 

The user below is adding nonexistent versions. He has a label that released some albums in cooperation with other labels, so he wants the his label always appears as the main label of these releases (and not only in the additional notes). And for this to happen he adds another version.

I don't know if you got the picture...

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/warhammerdistro

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ca ... ito/354579

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Pa ... War/348432

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Mo ... ion/355460

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:50 pm 
 

Yeah, he isn't the first one to try circumventing the system this way. Warned.
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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:11 am 
 

Total_Soul_Rape (previously banned for that reason i guess (or at least points docked) keeps adding links to his distro Immortal Frost Productions on various band pages.

it's a common distro selling products .... (like hundred others)

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:16 am 
 

Banned. Now we gotta clean this mess of links up...
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:14 pm 
 

First, I'd like to clarify exactly what the rule is. His first account (Die_In_Pain) was banned for ignoring multiple warnings about adding label links that don't link to any bands, but all the links of his I checked were linked to a band, so... although it's very easy for any of us to accuse him of point-whoring, from reading these rules about band links, technically he didn't break any.
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>> Band links <<

Everyone can contribute links to websites related to a band. Do not, however, add a link to the main page of a site such as "Headbanger's Delight" to every single band that sells merchandise there. If you do that you could at least link to the page with the actual band merchandise. For example:
Acceptable:: http://www.headbanger.net/bandname/, http://www.sitename.com/band.ext?id=666
Unacceptable: : http://www.headbanger.net, http://www.mydistro.com/home
I.e., a direct link to a band page. Linking to the label or store's main page is useless.



And so, my question is, was he banned for adding invalid links or simply point-whoring?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:06 am 
 

Truth be told, the rules section about adding merch links could probably use some updating. His second account did indeed only link to particular band/release pages (from what I can see), though did so in a spamming manner. It's debatable whether this would be grounds for ban in itself (definitely not if it were his first offense), though in this case it's a ban evader (who was first banned for multiple times breaking the rule you referred to above, despite warnings not to do so) silently returning to spam his distro once again all over the site. As I understand it, there is an unwritten rule that you shouldn't flood the site with all sorts of random merch links for every little distro out there, official distributors are preferred. It's indeed not a straightforward case, though the crucial points here being the ban evasion and manner of updates.

I'm open to input from other staffers.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:57 pm 
 

Please someone clarify: are users adding links to:

1) Vibrations of Doom - http://www.metal-archives.com/users/VibrationsOfDoom

2) Classic Metal Samples - http://www.metal-archives.com/users/metaloren

3) Wikipedia - http://www.metal-archives.com/users/HellFire%20Dragon

doing right things or it is against the rules?

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aloof
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:12 pm 
 

there's also a user who adds links to a website that offers downloads... they're for very old and obscure albums, but, as far as I can tell, they're not officially authorized... unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the user or the site's url, but I've come across links to it a few times... should I delete them, and/or inform the user, or are they ok?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:04 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Truth be told, the rules section about adding merch links could probably use some updating. His second account did indeed only link to particular band/release pages (from what I can see), though did so in a spamming manner. It's debatable whether this would be grounds for ban in itself (definitely not if it were his first offense), though in this case it's a ban evader (who was first banned for multiple times breaking the rule you referred to above, despite warnings not to do so) silently returning to spam his distro once again all over the site. As I understand it, there is an unwritten rule that you shouldn't flood the site with all sorts of random merch links for every little distro out there, official distributors are preferred. It's indeed not a straightforward case, though the crucial points here being the ban evasion and manner of updates.

I'm open to input from other staffers.

For the record, after talking to other mods and Total_Soul_Rape about this, I've decided to unban him. We'll look into restructuring the link section and updating the rules about them.

@Wikipedia: I'm never sure about that. On the one hand, they can be relevant/useful and it seems odd to categorically ban them. On the other, adding them is often a means to an end for mindless point-whores and they can be redundant.

@Downloads: Keep in mind that we don't want to share links to music piracy sites. We're not a torrent site or a download blog. But for really obscure, old stuff that's near-impossible to obtain without spending a fortune, I guess it can be permissible.

The link section has always been a sort of lawless wasteland that's impossible to moderate comprehensively. The fact that we don't have concrete rules for many of its possible uses and abuses only adds to that. Hopefully we'll be able to ameliorate that sooner than later.
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