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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:59 am 
 

I have set the status back to "active", I think that's sufficient for now. If there is further confusion later, we can consider more measures.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:42 am 
 

Thanks, HS.
I still think "disputed" should be locked for regular users including knights, because that'll mean that whatever new info there is will have to be reported, hence documented properly.
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:25 am 
 

I would be fine allowing access to knights, but I agree that we should remove its availability for everyone else.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:33 am 
 

both https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Metal%20Extremo and https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Inmate4859 have added lyrics 1b1 on the new Katatonia... I'm guessing someone stopped them, or they're still typing the rest.

edit: please check if their IPs match, as there is a bit of overlap on their edits :/ and they're both newbs. bizarre...
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:46 pm 
 

The IPs do match indeed. It's a little bizarre, but harmless. All they seem to do is edit data, there's no sock puppeting. Through their lyric additions on the Katatonia album they earned 2 points on one account and 3 on the other... not exactly huge numbers. Considering their lack of experience and time spent writing those lyrics, the transgression is so miniscule that I'd rather just let them off.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:45 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/dude1321

Added guesswork lineup to the new Oranssi Pazuzu album; the instrument credits listed in the booklet are different. May be worth checking out some of the other lineups he's added as well.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:30 am 
 

All his other line-ups I checked looked fine. I could see that some of his line-ups were taken from Bandcamp and perfectly valid. I sent him a friendly message, just to remind him to officially confirm anything he submits.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 8:10 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/rizalgrinder cleared out the tracklisting for
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... ogy/217405
and adds a bit too many lineups which are basically the current lineup thingy... might be worth to make a query on either or both?
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 8:18 pm 
 

What a foolish thing to do. It completely defeats the object of veterans being unable to delete tracks. He should file a report for updates he cannot perform himself. ThStealthP also questioned his line-up additions and brought to my attention his addition for Draconian's upcoming album in October. I'll send him a warning shortly after he sees the report: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 5/show/all
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aloof
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 9:34 pm 
 

I also looked him up bcs of that report, so kudos to stealthy for his police work... :)

stranger still, rizal adds album lyrics "properly", in one, so it's not like he's clueless to how the site works.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 8:27 am 
 

Just dropping by to say that rizal ended up erasing the lineup for that Draconian album. So definitely guesswork.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 9:59 am 
 

Warned about both issues.
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ThStealthP
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 10:07 am 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
Warned about both issues.

Midnightwards666, if you find out more guesswork, can I delete it?


Last edited by Midnightwards666 on Wed May 06, 2020 10:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 12:08 pm 
 

Hm, I don't know. Does he have a history of adding bullshit line-ups? Even the submission on the Draconian album was partially correct. Often there's no way of knowing whether a line-up is correct or guessed or both. This is a perfect example of why I wish users were required to submit a source for all line-up submissions which we could check in the modification history.

Although I appreciate your vigilance in avoiding edit wars, it is okay to revert a change once if you can confirm that the submitted data is incorrect. If the same user later reverts your edit again, that's when it becomes an edit war and may require moderator intervention. One edit is okay, but no more.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 12:28 pm 
 

To be clear, a different user added the bass credit, it wasn't rizalgrinder. Aloof seemed to imply that he was adding guessworklike lineups, so it probably wouldn't hurt to check them, at least.

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ThStealthP
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 12:32 pm 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
Hm, I don't know. Does he have a history of adding bullshit line-ups? Even the submission on the Draconian album was partially correct. Often there's no way of knowing whether a line-up is correct or guessed or both. This is a perfect example of why I wish users were required to submit a source for all line-up submissions which we could check in the modification history.

Although I appreciate your vigilance in avoiding edit wars, it is okay to revert a change once if you can confirm that the submitted data is incorrect. If the same user later reverts your edit again, that's when it becomes an edit war and may require moderator intervention. One edit is okay, but no more.


Alright, well, I guess the bullshit line-ups will always be an endless war for us. For that reason, I always search the booklets on Discogs or contact the band directly the when the booklets don't appear on Discogs, which is weird they don't appear on Discogs.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:51 pm 
 

Ok, I had a look at some of his recent line-up additions. I was a bit unsure about his addition to Old Man Gloom's recent album, but maybe we should wait until the album is released. Otherwise, nothing especially outlandish and he hasn't added many line-ups over the last year.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:14 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Faggot69

Extremely tasteless username and profile information, and his only activity has been adding some David Campbell guy to the band and album lineups of a couple of connected bedroom BM bands (with no lineup info on their social media, I might add). Seems pretty suspicious...

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 7:42 pm 
 

Banned. Such poor taste has no place here. Feel free to nuke all his additions too, I doubt he had any good intentions.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:56 pm 
 

Well, some moron decided to flood the report queue with garbage. I'm just about to close a bunch of them, but any chance of an IP ban/deleting the bs reports? Not going to be pleasant looking over like 100 past reports under Quorthon's report history that just say "1" or whatever.

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 6:29 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/dragehale

Not a point whore, but definitely an overenthusiastic newbie. Has a few good additions, but quite a lot of useless ones too (added a Discogs link, putting Janaza's location as Baghdad, Iraq despite the notes on the page, taking assignment for a report about Skrymir and not fixing it correctly or even marking it resolved, etc. etc.). Could do with some direction to read the rules/help at the very least.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 7:40 pm 
 

Certainly worth keeping an eye on. The Discogs link was ages ago and seems like just a typical newbie error. If she adds an incorrect location to Janaza's page again or any other information not corresponding to the notes of a page, I will certainly send a message. I think you handled this report very well though, I have nothing to add: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/712627
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 7:14 am 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
Certainly worth keeping an eye on. The Discogs link was ages ago and seems like just a typical newbie error. If she adds an incorrect location to Janaza's page again or any other information not corresponding to the notes of a page, I will certainly send a message. I think you handled this report very well though, I have nothing to add: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/712627


Well thanks. :)

Unrelated: can I get a response to the report I pinged you on? Don't want it to hang around for too long.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:39 pm 
 

Done. I brought the issue up for staff discussion and will feed back soon.
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Tlacaxipehualiztli
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 3:41 pm 
 

Is everything ok with this user?

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/JncoPez

She added completely new thing for Altared States discography without a cover art. Then, she extended the line-up making a mess there.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Al ... 3540436822

edit: ah, she did a report, I didn't notice:

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/713170/

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aloof
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 4:34 pm 
 

relative newb, lyrics 1b1 https://www.metal-archives.com/users/cycosurgeon
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 4:53 pm 
 

aloof wrote:

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:19 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/TheyRodeOn

Strongly suspect this guy's lineups are mostly/all guesswork (and pretty much all his points come from adding lineups, too); I've found at least 2 that he added that don't match up with other sources.

Spiritus Mortis - Demo 2000:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... 2000/34315
https://www.discogs.com/Spiritus-Mortis ... se/6568510

Witchtiger - Lords of Destruction:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/W ... 014/486698
https://www.discogs.com/Witchtiger-Warl ... se/6786900 (I realize Discogs is not always the most reliable source, but the lineup listed there is a bit too specific to have been pulled out of thin air)

I've opened a report here to ask where he got his lineups from. Not really expecting a satisfactory (if any) response, though.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 9:59 am 
 

If he doesn't respond within a week or so of reading it he will receive a warning.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:12 pm 
 

Still waiting on TheyRodeOn.

In the meantime, can someone tell Kazatel that it's spelled "amount", not "ammount"? Drives me up the wall every time I see yet another "unknown ammount of copies" on some random vinyl entry.

https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/830878
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/843404
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/843047
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/837668
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/773970

I've fixed all these entries already, and there are a lot more I remember fixing a long time ago...

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:03 pm 
 

Moderators are able to see whether an attention request (or any message via the main site) has been read or not. He still hasn't seen it yet. Message sent to Kazatel.
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laxskinn
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 8:28 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/youneverarealone is trying to update info, apparently about herself. Doesn't seem to have any bad intents, but it has resulted in duplicate artist pages on all her bands:

https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Astratta/848081
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Astratta/677533

I made a report about it which she closed herself.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 8:37 am 
 

I commented on the report.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 6:04 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Costas_Dead is adding info on the releases of the bands he's been involved with, which is ideal, but he's adding album lineups in the notes instead of the tabs, so if someone could direct him, and/or fix the ones he's already done.
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 9:06 am 
 

Friendly message sent.
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Wilkun
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 4:03 pm 
 

Unnecessary additions, such as a jewel-case CD.
Doesn't seem to have any bad intents, part of what he does is OK.
I think a friendly message will be enough.

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/erwinmagielda

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 4:11 pm 
 

^ All of his edits are done 1b1 when many could done with a single save though. Would suggest a warning for that at least.

Check this tape for instance: https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/765542

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:42 pm 
 

Nightsward wrote:
^ All of his edits are done 1b1 when many could done with a single save though. Would suggest a warning for that at least.

Check this tape for instance: https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/765542

Warned.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 6:33 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/BlackAzeroth

Adds Last.fm links.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 7:35 pm 
 

Warned.
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