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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 6:43 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/ZoeSalome

Adds a bunch of duplicate other versions. Probably needs to be cleaned up.

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/lukretion

Please inform this person on how to properly capitalize roles ("Engineering, Mixing" not "Engineering, mixing")

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:56 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Nightsward wrote:
^ All of his edits are done 1b1 when many could done with a single save though. Would suggest a warning for that at least.

Check this tape for instance: https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/765542

Warned.


Looks like he got the message about the 1b1 updates (well, he still saves artists to lineups 1b1, but afaik he's only wasting his own time by doing that), but he could use some pointers on how to properly enter roles:

https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/823722
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/591709

And he should probably be told to only add merch/label links if they point directly to a page about the band (see his recent edit history).

(this guy, for reference: https://www.metal-archives.com/users/erwinmagielda)

EDIT: Now he's adding duplicate Bandcamp links under merch when there's already one under official, and titling links weirdly and putting them under the "label" category (has been the case with many of the "Merch @ (insert label name here) links)...I dunno, tell him to read the help file or something, because he makes A LOT of edits and it's tiring to undo all his mistakes. :/

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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:42 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Mike%20Douglas

Saves artists to line ups one by one.

https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... d/id/88257

Should be schooled on how to edit line ups.
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:36 pm 
 

Nightsward wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/users/ZoeSalome

Adds a bunch of duplicate other versions. Probably needs to be cleaned up.

Friendly message sent.

Nightsward wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/users/lukretion

Please inform this person on how to properly capitalize roles ("Engineering, Mixing" not "Engineering, mixing")

Looking at his most recent edits he appears to have figured it out without our help. If only it was always that easy.

Nightsward wrote:
Looks like he got the message about the 1b1 updates (well, he still saves artists to lineups 1b1, but afaik he's only wasting his own time by doing that), but he could use some pointers on how to properly enter roles:

https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/823722
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/591709

And he should probably be told to only add merch/label links if they point directly to a page about the band (see his recent edit history).

(this guy, for reference: https://www.metal-archives.com/users/erwinmagielda)

EDIT: Now he's adding duplicate Bandcamp links under merch when there's already one under official, and titling links weirdly and putting them under the "label" category (has been the case with many of the "Merch @ (insert label name here) links)...I dunno, tell him to read the help file or something, because he makes A LOT of edits and it's tiring to undo all his mistakes. :/

Friendly message sent about all the issues. I also asked him to spend some time reading the help and rules.

cranialcrusherabc wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Mike%20Douglas

Saves artists to line ups one by one.

That is not point-whoring nor even a transgression on any scale. Sometimes the choice isn't there as if the musician isn't in the band, the quick box to add them (which many users abuse) is not there. Even if it was, users get one point per artist added, so adding them one by one is of no benefit in points and not a concern to us.

cranialcrusherabc wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/view/type/band/id/88257

Should be schooled on how to edit line ups.

Friendly message sent.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:40 pm 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
Nightsward wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/users/ZoeSalome

Adds a bunch of duplicate other versions. Probably needs to be cleaned up.

Friendly message sent.


Thank you. Going through his history (reporting all the dupes he added for deletion), I see that he also wrote "Instrumental" in the lyrics field many times (and sometimes checked the box too), could he also be informed not to do that?

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:05 pm 
 

As far as I know only veterans can check the box? Friendly message sent.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:57 pm 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
As far as I know only veterans can check the box? Friendly message sent.


Well he was adding new versions believing that he was editing existing ones, so he was able to check the boxes that way.

And about erwinmagielda/ex0dr0m0s: he's doing a lot better now, but the one major error he keeps making is placing links to albums released on labels under the "labels" category, when they should go under "official" or "official merch" (I think the latter? But I never really add such links in the first place so I'm not sure). See the labels category for the links section of this band, for instance: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... 3540457559 And he adds Bandcamp to the version description for digital albums, when I thought that this was generally discouraged.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:12 pm 
 

The correct category for Bandcamp links has been a hot topic for debate in the past among both users and staff. Personally, I think the links he adds are fine kept where they are. It is discouraged to add Bandcamp to version descriptions, but until we have a solid rule against it and we decide this is an area for collective clean-up, I can't really tell anyone not to do it. Certainly not when we have over 45k such entries.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:38 pm 
 

Fair enough on the Bandcamp VD thing.

As for the labels: is that so? I always thought of the labels category as being a place for links to things like band bios or discographies that just happen to be on a label's webpage (like this Nightwish bio is under labels, for instance). But he's linking to specific albums on Bandcamp and putting them under labels, which feels much more like something that belongs under merch to me.

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Dickpenis
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:25 am 
 

imo it would be a good idea to put links to (reputable) online shops somewhere on the entries for digital releases. Could be made affiliate links to support Metal Archives.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:47 pm 
 

Nightsward, I don't know if there is an official policy on the correct category for such links, but I personally am fine with either category. Either way, the link is still there. Other mods or users may disagree. This old thread is an example of the headaches that link categories can cause.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=96561
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ThStealthP
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 pm 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
Nightsward, I don't know if there is an official policy on the correct category for such links, but I personally am fine with either category. Either way, the link is still there. Other mods or users may disagree. This old thread is an example of the headaches that link categories can cause.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=96561

Uh. Since 2013 is Bandcamp being added as an official link and not as official merch? I didn't know that.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:14 pm 
 

I think we eventually decided that "official" is the slightly preferred category and we prefer to stick to that for the sake of consistency, but it's a very minor issue one should not get worked up about.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:28 pm 
 

Midnightwards666 wrote:
Nightsward, I don't know if there is an official policy on the correct category for such links, but I personally am fine with either category. Either way, the link is still there. Other mods or users may disagree. This old thread is an example of the headaches that link categories can cause.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=96561


Haha, some pretty fascinating discussion going on in that topic. I feel like Bandcamp has exploded in popularity since 2013 and feels more like a "catch-all" band page (especially for more obscure bands), so it feels right to put those links under official nowadays. But I digress.

His putting those kinds of links under labels still doesn't sit well with me, but I guess as Az was saying in that old thread, it probably doesn't matter all that much. Plus he mostly just adds album versions these days and he does do good work on that front.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:02 pm 
 

What makes it even worse is that label pages are split up into sub-pages for individual bands, so the page itself might look like a band page at first glance but is in fact operated by the label, or they even get created by the band and later merged into the label rooster after they got signed or some stuff like that.
Bandcamp isn't really the most MA friendly page when it comes to adding links to the right tab.
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:28 pm 
 

This practice of not including diacritics when transcribing lyrics shouldn't be encouraged, should it? I do understand that it's a massive headache to enter every single ä and ö when just typing on your standard English keyboard, but on the other hand, he (Cosmic Mystery)'s basically making a ton of orthographical errors by not including them.

(and for the record, I have the CD and it does include the diacritics. Will add them in later if he doesn't.)

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Dickpenis
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:16 am 
 

Nightsward wrote:
I do understand that it's a massive headache to enter every single ä and ö when just typing on your standard English keyboard

You can i.e. transcribe ä as xax, "a, ,a, or something like that, and then just find & replace the handful of letters you used in the end.

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laxskinn
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:42 am 
 

Nightsward wrote:
This practice of not including diacritics when transcribing lyrics shouldn't be encouraged, should it? I do understand that it's a massive headache to enter every single ä and ö when just typing on your standard English keyboard, but on the other hand, he (Cosmic Mystery)'s basically making a ton of orthographical errors by not including them.

(and for the record, I have the CD and it does include the diacritics. Will add them in later if he doesn't.)


As a Swede I definitely agree. Especially since åäö isn't just a and o with some dots on but rather entirely separate letters. "Höra" and "hora" means very different things that could lead to some unfortunate misunderstandings ;)

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:30 am 
 

Sorry about the delay. I simply have not had the time. Will send a friendly message tonight.
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0th
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:21 pm 
 

BTW, I've told ex0dr0m0s not to add "Jewel-Case" to version description, someone feel free to clean these up: https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... re=#albums

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:55 am 
 

0th wrote:
BTW, I've told ex0dr0m0s not to add "Jewel-Case" to version description, someone feel free to clean these up: https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... re=#albums

Think I got them all.

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ThStealthP
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:26 am 
 

0th wrote:
BTW, I've told ex0dr0m0s not to add "Jewel-Case" to version description, someone feel free to clean these up: https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... re=#albums

Alright, I've already done cleaning everything for Nightsward.

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:39 am 
 

ThStealthP wrote:
0th wrote:
BTW, I've told ex0dr0m0s not to add "Jewel-Case" to version description, someone feel free to clean these up: https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... re=#albums

Alright, I've already done cleaning everything for Nightsward.


I appreciate the intention, but you also removed all of the descriptors for non-standard jewelcases as well (slim/fat/super/colored/etc. jewelcases). These are definitely worth noting, I don't think they should have been removed.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:12 am 
 

I agree. ThStealthP, if you could go ahead and re-add all those descriptors for non-standard jewel cases, that would be great.

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ThStealthP
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:41 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
I agree. ThStealthP, if you could go ahead and re-add all those descriptors for non-standard jewel cases, that would be great.

All those descriptors for non-standard jewel cases, has been re-added successfully without problems.

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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:50 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/FRHODOR

This dude have added a ton of versions for Sic Transit Gloria Mundi by Dyrnwyn, the versions were added on different days and times, not sure what happened there. All his edits are mainly adding said releases.

Maybe it's worth checking.

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/D ... ndi/739289
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Warned.
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Wilkun
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https://www.metal-archives.com/users/morbid_reality666

Is what he does necessary?

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OpsiusCato
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The guy has over 5000 edits... Care to be more specific?
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:52 pm 
 

He's probably referring to stupid shit like this:
Spoiler: show
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Has done this on quite a few entries at this point. Also generally seems to think that "handnumbered" should go in the VD when it doesn't.

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aloof
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:28 am 
 

another report for the hall of fame: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 8/show/all

congrats on the promotion, Nightsward :)
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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:29 am 
 

aloof wrote:
congrats on the promotion, Nightsward :)


Thanks! :)

And for the record, I talked to Cosmic Mystery about the lyrics thing, and sent morbid_reality666 a warning.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:25 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/716827
then, 13 mins later: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/1 ... ins/857874
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:15 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/TonyLePouilleux

Lyrics 1b1
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:27 am 
 

cranialcrusherabc wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/users/TonyLePouilleux

Lyrics 1b1

Message sent

aloof wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/716827
then, 13 mins later: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/1 ... ins/857874

Was discussed in Discord. Seems like the German issue of the Don Dokken album was released in Germany in 1981 under the name Dokken.
Seems like a legit addition and the user has been warned for ignoring a mod instruction.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:45 pm 
 

thanks :) would just like to add, the discography tab looks a little confusing now, with two albums with the same title, save for an apostrophe or g... not asking you to do something, or know what can be done, just saying. hopefully less experienced users don't start adding different versions between them.
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Tlacaxipehualiztli
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:55 am 
 

This user should be banned:

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Beldaroh

He (she) added to this profile very offensive epithets (written in Polish, trivia and biography section):

https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Pablo/153399

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:42 am 
 

Dealt with.

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ThStealthP
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:11 am 
 

Best regards. Is disputed not an exclusive status for only mods? I found this a few minutes, GA put disputed and he isn't a mod:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Al ... erish/5058

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=126042&p=2875857&hilit=+Disputed+#p2875857
https://www.metal-archives.com/news/view/id/229

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:51 am 
 

No, it's not limited to mods and it appears to be correct for this case, since the members don't seem to agree on the status of the band. I also said to avoid changing the status to disputed (not that it's 100% not allowed) since most people don't understand what it is used for.

That being said, please stop with your low-key personal attacks on Guard.
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