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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:29 pm 
 

^Sounds like it, but
1) We prefer to judge bands based on studio tracks (provided they exist).
2) Is this tracks part of a valid release? If yes, please link to more tracks from it and also to evidence for its existence and distribution.

@boblarson666: A band only requires one predominantly metal album to be accepted, as you've already been told. I don't know The Exploited very well, but stands to reason that they fulfill that criterion (indeed as the notes/genre field on their page here suggest). KISS do not have such a metal release (Creatures of the Night seems to be somewhat close and was very recently given a(nother) listen among the staff, prompted by your posts here; some mods thought it was acceptable, but the majority was against). Lastly, kindly lose your confrontational attitude or you will be shown the door. If you cannot accept this site's treatment of metal and hard rock, no one is stopping you from sticking to Wikipedia, but being a pompous dick after you come to a disagreement over something as subjective as music is not a productive use of either of our time.

Sharkbait wrote:
Still waiting to hear back about the band I'm trying to add.

Can you please link to the digital release?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:49 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:

Sharkbait wrote:
Still waiting to hear back about the band I'm trying to add.

Can you please link to the digital release?


Thank you
https://kissthygoat.bandcamp.com/releases

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:13 pm 
 

I can see why this was rejected. First, it's a raw demo. I understand that considering the genre that's probably very much the intention and this is where things can get dicey with the guidelines regarding digital-only releases (i.e. the part about professionalism). I would probably be okay with it still, but, more importantly, the second half is the same as the first, just a different (rough) recording session. So what you have here is a compilation of demo recordings, with the original material amounting to two songs. Not acceptable as a digital release.

I see there are still a couple of open inquiries on the last page. Lest anyone bump them, let me say that I will try to get to them in due time.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:33 pm 
 

It's a physical release, doesn't matter if it's the same songs. It's just a demo. Since it was rejected there's been a couple bands with no discography that have been added. The quality of the recordings was intentional as well. Its black metal of course. It's more of a single than a proper demo I suppose, but it is still a release that we are circulating. We have more releases coming up but it would be a shame to have to wait that long to get on here since we are very much active.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:35 pm 
 

Sharkbait wrote:
It's a physical release

Evidence?

Sharkbait wrote:
Since it was rejected there's been a couple bands with no discography that have been added.

Such as?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:38 pm 
 

We mainly want to get on here to ensure our name won't be used by someone else because no other bands share the name yet.

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Azmodes wrote:
Sharkbait wrote:
It's a physical release

Evidence?

Sharkbait wrote:
Since it was rejected there's been a couple bands with no discography that have been added.

Such as?


Here's one:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Alt ... 3540419608

And what evidence of the tape do you want? We are exclusively selling these in person for now. Do you just want a picture of it?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:41 pm 
 

A photo of some copies would be ideal, yes.

The band you linked has a physical release, it's mentioned in the notes.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:55 pm 
 

Please help ! my band ORDO NIGRIS IMPERIA was rejected and I have all evidence of physical realize and dygital realize too

http://imgur.com/a/lzAFW

https://ordonigrisimperia.bandcamp.com

http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... l-pagan-me[size=150][/size]tal-blackgaze/ordo-nigris-imperia-path-wolf

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:41 pm 
 

^ third link

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Sharkbait
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:21 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
A photo of some copies would be ideal, yes.

The band you linked has a physical release, it's mentioned in the notes.



http://i63.tinypic.com/2hofs46.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/zv63r5.jpg

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Sharkbait wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
A photo of some copies would be ideal, yes.

The band you linked has a physical release, it's mentioned in the notes.



http://i63.tinypic.com/2hofs46.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/zv63r5.jpg

Resubmit and I'll approve them. Okay, they're already in the queue, approved.

ordonigrisimperia wrote:
Please help ! my band ORDO NIGRIS IMPERIA was rejected and I have all evidence of physical realize and dygital realize too

http://imgur.com/a/lzAFW

https://ordonigrisimperia.bandcamp.com

http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... l-pagan-me[size=150][/size]tal-blackgaze/ordo-nigris-imperia-path-wolf

The release is more ambient than metal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:47 am 
 

Aegis wrote:
Hello!

Tried to submit a band called Zombie Rodeo (Finland) but got a message that it was already blacklisted. Probably as the music has been much more rock than metal in the earlier years of its existence and totally understandable regarding the rules. Or was there any other reason for being blacklisted? Just curious.

The music now days is still somewhat rock orientated but with a more metal touch to it. The new material can be heard at https://zombierodeo.bandcamp.com/album/cult-leader

So how about it, possible to have ZR added to the Metal Archives?

Bstrg,
Mikko M.

Whitelisted.

MasterOfSin wrote:
Hi,

I suppose Within Hate from Denmark is blacklisted for being metalness, yesterday they release a new album, can please take a look?
Here's the bancamp link:
https://withinhate.bandcamp.com/album/c ... -the-night

Whitelisted.

MilanDeJong wrote:
My submission C.B.A. ( http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/C.B.A./3540417416 ) was rejected because the band is considered to be a crossover/crust band. The band itself defines itself as Swedish-style death metal, heavily inspired by Sodom and Venom, albeit with d-beat and punk influences. Although I would actually say they pretty much sound like Impaled Nazarene:

https://cbacrimsonguard.bandcamp.com/tr ... phy-hunter

This sounds nothing like crust bands like Driller Killer, Amebix, Antisect, ...

I hope you will reconsider.

I remember another mod and I agreed that the punk portion was predominant.

Skog79 wrote:
This is about my friend's band Forestwind, which is atmospheric black metal. The moderator said that this was NOT a metal band, which seems very odd to me. Their quote was "the majority of this is atmosphere/shoegaze with grim vocals". If you take a listen to songs like "Autumn" or "Winter", or in fact any other song besides the intro song, you will know its a metal band 100%. Being a metal fan all my life, it is quite puzzling why someone would say this isnt a metal band. Here listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhmvL4l5iw

Here is the band's MA link: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/For ... 3540414056
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBe9P- ... jKr8St6bbg
Band Camp: forestwind.bandcamp.com


Thanks all, and hope someone realises this IS a metal band.

I agree with the mod who rejected it. Quite light on actual riffs, the ambience seems to be the focus.

croatonpj wrote:
Can the ban of the band Dreariness from Italy be reconsidered after the release of the new album?
Some links to make you judge if metaliness in their music is enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQJY2gl ... ssOFFICIAL
http://dreariness.bandcamp.com/

Thank you anyway.

Still more shoegaze than metal.

Wosten wrote:
Hey!
I recently added the German Band Arsillus (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arillus/3540419523) and it was accepted but there is a small issue: The project started as Forseti and released one Demo and two albums under this name - there are complete downloads on the official Arillus page and I can also provide pictures of my version of one of the albums. Unfortunately Forseti is blacklisted and I am pretty sure that this is because of the German Neofolk band forseti, which is of course not metal enough. Is there a work-around for issues like this?

Seems it's another band, yeah. Temporarily whitelisted, please submit.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:21 am 
 

Hello!

I submited the brazilian thrash metal band Furia V8 (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Furia_V8/3540419525), but it was rejected due to no download available for their release. One can download all songs from soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/furiav8/), though.

I hope you reconsider it.

Thanks a lot and best regards!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:25 am 
 

whoops, the download option seems to have been moved to the "more" button. Missed that. Band restored.
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Azmodes wrote:
whoops, the download option seems to have been moved to the "more" button. Missed that. Band restored.


It was. Thanks for the restore!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:47 am 
 

Hi,
Why was Undercover Devil blacklisted? Released an album titled "Burn It Black" in 2015 on CD and digital format.
Bandcamp: https://undercoverdevil.bandcamp.com/al ... it-black-2
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Heavy southern rock with some metal riffs and really heavy parts, but still largely rock.
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Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:49 pm 
 

Thanks!!!

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Wosten
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Azmodes wrote:
Wosten wrote:
Hey!
I recently added the German Band Arsillus (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arillus/3540419523) and it was accepted but there is a small issue: The project started as Forseti and released one Demo and two albums under this name - there are complete downloads on the official Arillus page and I can also provide pictures of my version of one of the albums. Unfortunately Forseti is blacklisted and I am pretty sure that this is because of the German Neofolk band forseti, which is of course not metal enough. Is there a work-around for issues like this?

Seems it's another band, yeah. Temporarily whitelisted, please submit.


Thank you for your answer, I just added the band, it should be in the queue.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:19 pm 
 

Are you moderators fucking retards? This is about my friend's band Forestwind, which is atmospheric black metal. The moderator said that this was NOT a metal band, which seems very odd to me. Their quote was "the majority of this is atmosphere/shoegaze with grim vocals". If you take a listen to songs like "Autumn" or "Winter", or in fact any other song besides the intro song, you will know its a metal band 100%. Being a metal fan all my life, it is quite puzzling why someone would say this isnt a metal band. Here listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhmvL4l5iw

Here is the band's MA link: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/For ... 3540414056
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBe9P- ... jKr8St6bbg
Band Camp: forestwind.bandcamp.com


Thanks all, and hope someone realises this IS a metal band.

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Skog79 wrote:
Are you moderators fucking retards?


You won't be around to find out. So long.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:14 am 
 

Step 1: Repost the exact same thing after you've already received an answer from a mod
Step 2: Add insult
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:57 am 
 

Having been listening to them a bit over the last week I'm at a bit of a loss as to why Tool aren't on the Archives - I personally think there's quite a strong metallic element to their sound.

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Blacklist note for Tool is pretty much useless, but I'm sure it has been discussed multiple times and decided that they are borderline and don't belong.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:52 am 
 

Fair enough. I'm sure they were probably brought up earlier in this thread, but I didn't want to trawl through 415 pages to find an answer, so just decided to ask.

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The gist is that they are somewhat metallic, but mainly heavy prog rock/modern hard rock.

And you don't have to look through all the pages manually, there's a search function: search.php (though I guess with a name like that it's a bit of a bitch to search)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:31 pm 
 

Hi there,

Just wondering why my old band, Painted Rust, was black listed. We were a death metal band that released one EP in 2010. I have proof of the physical CD as well.

Thanks!

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Mathcore/Grindcore

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That seems inaccurate to me. The songs on the Bandcamp sound like Formulas-era Morbid Angel with a bit of Gorguts-styled noise rock. Definitely predominantly death metal IMO, I think it deserves another look.

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Sounds like what felt like half the death metal bands in the late 90s.
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I reminded me of what a lot of metalcore bands were doing in the mid to late 90's that weren't AtG worship.

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Painted Rust whitelisted.
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Just a note - but as regular users - please refrain from commenting on bands brought up in this thread.

The only discussion in this thread should be between the user bringing up the band and the mods.
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Derigin wrote:
Just a note - but as regular users - please refrain from commenting on bands brought up in this thread.

The only discussion in this thread should be between the user bringing up the band and the mods.

The only reason I did that is because if dystrophy666 had never come back to the thread, the conversation would've ended right there with a blacklist note citation and the band would've never been reevaluated. I've added a couple bands throughout the years that were brought up in this thread but not thoroughly investigated because the OP never came back; I would never do that in a case where a moderator's already listened to a band and cast judgment. I think my post in this thread is just as valid a "why is this blacklisted?" post as any.
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I agree, MC.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:44 am 
 

I appreciate the review Azmodes. We were defintely going for a Morbid Angel / Human Remains vibe with the band. Should I re-submit the band through the normal channel?

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Yes and please include your evidence for the physical release in the submission notes.
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I'm not sure whether Jerusalem (UK) should be blacklisted. Many of the songs off their debut could be described as NWOBHM-flavoured Deep Purplesque proto-metal. I think this album sounds more metallic than let's say Buffalo from Australia.

Some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6QNgf7JfI - sort of proto-NWOBHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QclSTWfJrk - Sabbathian doom riffage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72qeUcI_2Yo - this is more of a ballad but definitely with metal feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbU5MwOpADw - again NWOBHMish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RtSENo2UUw - see above


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