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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:34 am 
 

Torsten Rose wrote:
My bad here it is.

Heathen Knight cds https://imgur.com/gallery/hf8jgw6

How many copies did you make? How are they being distributed, as the Bandcamp page makes no mention of them? Can you provide photos of a few actual discs?
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Texas King
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:53 am 
 

I can't get why Between the Buried and Me is not accepted on MA?
Colors is definitely a METAL album (extreme prog metal).

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:00 am 
 

Texas King wrote:
I can't get why Between the Buried and Me is not accepted on MA?
Colors is definitely a METAL album (extreme prog metal).

Reviewed to death. Band isn't gonna be accepted based on any existing material.
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:02 am 
 

Extreme prog metal :lol: :puke:
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Texas King
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:52 am 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Extreme prog metal :lol: :puke:


What ProgArchives says?
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=16337
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal

What RateYourMusic says?
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/between-the-buried-and-me/colors/
Primary genres: Progressive metal, Metalcore

What Wikipedia says?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_(Between_the_Buried_and_Me_album)
Genres: Progressive metal, extreme metal

It seems only MetalArchives says something different?

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:00 am 
 

It doesn't really matter what the rest of the internet says to us. Btbam is an example of a band that gets debated constantly and has never had a majority consensus among the staff as being metal. They get evaluated every time a new album comes out. Nothing will change before the next album. Stop asking.
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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:16 am 
 

Hi,

When was KER (Germany) blacklisted? The 2017 demo sounds acceptable sludge/doom/post-metal.
https://thekercollective.bandcamp.com/a ... -the-blind

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Texas King
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:26 am 
 

Another doubt for me: Band The Angelic Process is not accepted as metal, whilst Jesu is?

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Torquia
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:51 am 
 

The band Mary Jane (Argentina) is blacklisted. Was it for their style (groove metal) or for lack of an official physical release? I have proof of the later.

Youtube: show

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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:13 pm 
 

I haven't heard back from Creature yet, well, I haven't really been active much online. I noticed that he uploaded photos on Bandcamp. Can I resubmit Creature?
https://creature-of-hell.bandcamp.com/a ... h-darkness

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:17 pm 
 

Texas King wrote:
Another doubt for me: Band The Angelic Process is not accepted as metal, whilst Jesu is?

The Angelic Process is mainly a drone band, with no album we consider predominantly metal. Jesu likely has at least one metal album(s) by our standards, although I can not point you to it/them as I do not listen to them.

Also:
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5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:

  • We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar (which a moderator may not even agree with in the first place). And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead. Obviously that is not the only possible scenario and claiming two bands sound the same does not automatically invalidate an argument. It's just very, very often misguided (see below) and we think it's more precise (as much as these things can be) to assess each band as a self-contained entity rather than add even more subjectivity and ambiguity by bringing other bands into the reviewing process.
  • Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
  • Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1). To be clear, nobody thinks that we'd otherwise be doomed to ride into fallacy territory and in danger of including BB King or whatever, but we are quite strict about keeping the database focussed.
  • Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".


RazorDick wrote:
I haven't heard back from Creature yet, well, I haven't really been active much online. I noticed that he uploaded photos on Bandcamp. Can I resubmit Creature?
https://creature-of-hell.bandcamp.com/a ... h-darkness

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RazorDick wrote:
Creature from Texas was just rejected because the mod thought the physical release was unprofessional. I provided scans of the version I have. Yes, it is a CDr in a paper case with everything hand written. I am sure the information on the about section was overlooked. It says: "This album was self-released on black CDrs with xeroxed covers, some were handed out in folded and stapled paper with hand-written titles.". If you download the album a back cover is included. If this still isn't good enough I can contact Creature to get another CD with the actual covers, if he still has any left.

http://creature-of-hell.bandcamp.com/al ... h-darkness

Any idea how many copies got distributed? Any other source corroborating distribution?


Torquia wrote:
The band Mary Jane (Argentina) is blacklisted. Was it for their style (groove metal) or for lack of an official physical release? I have proof of the later.

Youtube: show

Blacklisted for being nu-metal.

EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,

When was KER (Germany) blacklisted? The 2017 demo sounds acceptable sludge/doom/post-metal.
https://thekercollective.bandcamp.com/a ... -the-blind

Blacklist note says "Blackened Post-hardcore", 2016. Took a quick listen and sounds like it might be fine. Whitelisted for evaluation.
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So are any tracks available yet for listening?


Yeah there are actually four albums' worth of preview tracks dating back to 2010.

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Wilytank
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:17 pm 
 

Texas King wrote:
Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Extreme prog metal :lol: :puke:


What ProgArchives says?
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=16337
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal

I'm sorry, but can we talk for a second about how Prog Archives thinks Drudkh, Moonsorrow, My Dying Bride, or Nocturnus are "tech/extreme prog Metal"? I know we're not supposed to use what other sites say when making a case for a band's conclusion, but this is the reason why. These other sites have their own thoughts about what bands sound like, but some of them are just flat out wrong! :lol: :ah-ha:
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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:36 pm 
 

On the description of the physical CDrs that's on Bandcamp, says there were 25 made. I will try again to get ahold of him, but I'm sure he distributed them himself at concerts, the early notebook paper version of the Creature album I have, I got at a concert. He was handing them out to people.
https://creature-of-hell.bandcamp.com/a ... h-darkness

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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:22 pm 
 

Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,

When was KER (Germany) blacklisted? The 2017 demo sounds acceptable sludge/doom/post-metal.
https://thekercollective.bandcamp.com/a ... -the-blind

Blacklist note says "Blackened Post-hardcore", 2016. Took a quick listen and sounds like it might be fine. Whitelisted for evaluation.

Thanks, Stormy! Pending in the queue.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:01 am 
 

RazorDick wrote:
On the description of the physical CDrs that's on Bandcamp, says there were 25 made. I will try again to get ahold of him, but I'm sure he distributed them himself at concerts, the early notebook paper version of the Creature album I have, I got at a concert. He was handing them out to people.
https://creature-of-hell.bandcamp.com/a ... h-darkness

Resubmit.
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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:24 am 
 

Thank you, about to resubmit.

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swallowrazors
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:48 pm 
 

The band The Omega Sequence was rejected and labeled as being Djent. I believe that if definitely not the case. While they have songs that are tuned down, the style is far from any djent I have personally heard. I feel Melodic/progressive metal fits their sound and is what they claim to be. I have included a link to their release, Aeon on their bandcamp page for further review. Thank you.

https://omegasequence.bandcamp.com/trac ... gilant-eye
https://omegasequence.bandcamp.com/album/aeon

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:58 pm 
 

swallowrazors wrote:
The band The Omega Sequence was rejected and labeled as being Djent. I believe that if definitely not the case. While they have songs that are tuned down, the style is far from any djent I have personally heard. I feel Melodic/progressive metal fits their sound and is what they claim to be. I have included a link to their release, Aeon on their bandcamp page for further review. Thank you.

https://omegasequence.bandcamp.com/trac ... gilant-eye
https://omegasequence.bandcamp.com/album/aeon

Sorry, but that is djent, leaning into -core territory too.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:00 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
swallowrazors wrote:
The band The Omega Sequence was rejected and labeled as being Djent. I believe that if definitely not the case. While they have songs that are tuned down, the style is far from any djent I have personally heard. I feel Melodic/progressive metal fits their sound and is what they claim to be. I have included a link to their release, Aeon on their bandcamp page for further review. Thank you.

https://omegasequence.bandcamp.com/trac ... gilant-eye
https://omegasequence.bandcamp.com/album/aeon

Sorry, but that is djent, leaning into -core territory too.



And yet super djent bands like After The Burial, or Veil of Maya are allowed...

Super.

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swallowrazors
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:57 pm 
 

Midnight Rider wrote:
swallowrazors wrote:
And yet super djent bands like After The Burial, or Veil of Maya are allowed...

Super.

The Veil of Maya listed on the archives is from Italy, not the famous act from Chicago.
And After the Burial was accepted based on their early material, which is metal enough (1, 2).


The Chicago one is there too. Im just saying, its a bit hypocritical...
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Veil_of_Maya/45084

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:02 pm 
 

It's not really hypocritical. MA can be best viewed as an archive of metal albums. Now most bands that have metal albums are also metal bands, but there are cases where bands better known for their non-metal material come out with a metal album. We've judged both those bands as having had at least one metal album at some point in their career. This band does not appear to have one at this present time. You can ask us to look at the band again in the future if they release new material.
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Lord Morwan
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:56 am 
 

I tried to upload a band but I was not allowed and I don't understand why.
It is the parallel only project of an integrate of a group already registered on this page.
The project has download links in Bandcamp of 3 discs and even so, I do not understand why it is rejected.

I hope you can give me a solution.
Thanks.

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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:07 am 
 

Why was Regressor from Russia blacklisted, please?

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:17 am 
 

Krister Jensen wrote:
Why was Regressor from Russia blacklisted, please?

Multiple submissions with no proof of PR.

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:37 am 
 

Lord Morwan wrote:
I tried to upload a band but I was not allowed and I don't understand why.
It is the parallel only project of an integrate of a group already registered on this page.
The project has download links in Bandcamp of 3 discs and even so, I do not understand why it is rejected.

I hope you can give me a solution.
Thanks.

Would help if you told us the name of the band and provided some links.
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RakdosWarlord wrote:
So are any tracks available yet for listening?


Yeah there are actually four albums' worth of preview tracks dating back to 2010.

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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:02 am 
 

Midnight Rider wrote:
Krister Jensen wrote:
Why was Regressor from Russia blacklisted, please?

Multiple submissions with no proof of PR.

If it's the same band, the CDs were sold at Metal Hail Fest 2014 and available for order via VK later on, announcement posts with CDs pics:
https://vk.com/regressor?from=quick_sea ... 193662_109
https://vk.com/regressor?from=quick_sea ... 193662_132

Download the single with 2 cover tracks.

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:19 am 
 

Krister Jensen wrote:
If it's the same band, the CDs were sold at Metal Hail Fest 2014 and available for order via VK later on, announcement posts with CDs pics:
https://vk.com/regressor?from=quick_sea ... 193662_109
https://vk.com/regressor?from=quick_sea ... 193662_132

Download the single with 2 cover tracks.

Please submit, so the band can be properly judged now.

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jake2620
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:46 pm 
 

Hails.

I'm writing to contest my recent submission of Iron Cemetery being rejected by Storm due to being "pretty decent stuff but a bit too short for a valid digital release".
This release is now available on tape and can be ordered here: https://store.nghtrhthms.com/product/ir ... ery-s-t-cs
Please reconsider accepting Iron Cemetery into the archives and let me know if you require further photographic evidence of the tape which I'd be happy to provide.
Many thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:36 pm 
 

jake2620 wrote:
Hails.

I'm writing to contest my recent submission of Iron Cemetery being rejected by Storm due to being "pretty decent stuff but a bit too short for a valid digital release".
This release is now available on tape and can be ordered here: https://store.nghtrhthms.com/product/ir ... ery-s-t-cs
Please reconsider accepting Iron Cemetery into the archives and let me know if you require further photographic evidence of the tape which I'd be happy to provide.
Many thanks.

Feel free to resubmit.
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The band is already here as of September 3rd: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ir ... 3540441338
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MutantClannfear wrote:
The band is already here as of September 3rd: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ir ... 3540441338

Just noticed that as well as I was re-submitting. Appreciate the update.

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Azmodes
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Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Lord Morwan wrote:
I tried to upload a band but I was not allowed and I don't understand why.
It is the parallel only project of an integrate of a group already registered on this page.
The project has download links in Bandcamp of 3 discs and even so, I do not understand why it is rejected.

I hope you can give me a solution.
Thanks.

Would help if you told us the name of the band and provided some links.

In Red Moon. Looks fine and can now be submitted again.
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odium
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:51 pm 
 

Pheldagar [Mex] was rejected for the following reason:

"Too makeshift/rough/unfinished for (a) digital-only release(s). Please wait for additional releases or a physical version of the existing one(s). If there is already a physical release, provide clear and definitive evidence for its existence. Thank you."

Just to make things clear (as I did not read that out in the announcement of "Digital-only bands policy change / 2018-09-10 12:12"): the length of the digital release does not matter anymore, right? Whether its 05:15 minutes, 15:23 minutes, or 44:15 minutes - if the quality is rather poor/makeshift/rough, the band won't be accepted. Is this assumption correct? As until 10/09/18 it was 20:00 (18:00) minutes length aspect that was the most important, wasn't it?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:27 pm 
 

When it comes to the release and distribution of an album, for the purposes of getting a band accepted on the Archives, we've always considered certain aspects as important - no matter if it's physical or digital - and that includes characteristics like presentation and production, the scope of distribution, and the legitimacy of the distributor. This is especially the case for digital-only submissions. It was just that, up until recently, we also considered length - quite literally the amount of metal music - to be another characteristic especially important for digital-only submissions. We still do consider length important - we won't normally accept digital singles, and would prefer digital full-lengths, EPs and demos instead - but we are now no longer relying on "X minutes of music" to be a factor. For many mods that was "the" factor above all other factors, and that was not right either.

So bands can still be rejected for being too makeshift/rough/unfinished, but they wont be rejected anymore if the band has a full-length grindcore album that's just 8 minutes in length. It matters more to us that they have an album, ideally one with multiple tracks of original material.
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:19 pm 
 

Using the search funcion I found out that the Brazilian band Krucipha was rejected due to their metalness. The posts here date back to 2011.

Ever since, they have released new albums that I suppose worth at least a reassessment. Was the band ever reevaluated?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:42 pm 
 

I don't think it was. Post the release(s) in question here and we'll check.
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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:09 am 
 

hey guys, why is Methgoat blacklisted? they sound like a convincent mix of raw and black metal

https://methgoat.bandcamp.com/album/promo-mmxvii
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TexanCycoThrasher
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:28 am 
 

Attempted to add Painboys from Seattle earlier this year (i think), I was told they were not metal enough at the time, they have new material and I'd like to see if it is "metal" enough for a resubmission?
https://welovepain.bandcamp.com/album/ritual-torment

Thank you for your time.

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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:39 am 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Deasmhumhan wrote:
Am trying to submit Irish metal band Uaigneas but the band appears to be blacklisted. I have no idea why.

The blacklist note is old. There's no date to it. But it says it's predominantly ambient/folk and doesn't fall under the side-project rule.


Hi, could it be whitelisted base on this release?

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:39 pm 
 

EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi, could it be whitelisted base on this release?

That EP/song has ~5 minutes of metal, I don't think that's gonna make much of a difference. Sounds like their first release.
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