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MDL
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:47 am 
 

Hello.
The German band Javan is listed as "Heavy metal", but they sound like pure AOR/melodic hard rock to me. I may be wrong, but I'll leave their material here. I wasn't able to trace their self-titled demo, however:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... hKaUTPLZA0
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/J ... .../320549

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:04 am 
 

Deleted Dogkuff (US) - Groove/nu-metal/core
https://www.soundclick.com/artist/defau ... dID=485096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X5DZt5IwXE

Deleted Javan (Germany) - AOR
(all of the tracks that were on their 1989 demo were re-recorded for the '91 full-length linked above)

Deleted Prophecy (California, US) - added to research thread. No references, user has added a lot of non-metal on v1, have doubts about metalness of the release.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:42 am 
 

I have relistened to the German band Ra and It's really mostly hard rock:
https://soundcloud.com/user-685107148
https://www.deezer.com/de/track/45745391?autoplay=true
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ra/97809

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:57 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Inspired by this report, I have listened to the albums by Gypsyhawk and imo their msic is hard rock, not heavy metal.
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/763134
https://gypsyhawk.bandcamp.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu6R4U0If7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1wcRzxfsWE

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:16 am 
 

Vote for Ra to be deleted, Gypsyhawk to stay on the site. The consensus on the band Wreche is for them to stay.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:24 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Black Jack Co- listed as heavy metal, but all the other databases list it as hard rock/aor. The user, who submitted it, has also submitted some hard rock bands as "melodic heavy metal" in the past, for example Baby tuckooo and Mammoth.
Reinhard Kruse himself sais in a recent interview ,that Black Jack co was a hard rock band:
https://www.foreveryonenow.com/2020/11/ ... rview.html
https://www.discogs.com/Black-Jack-Co-B ... e/10975434
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... _Co./49403

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:26 am 
 

The 2 compilation tracks that I heard from Black Jack Co. are rock/metal, not AOR at all. Wouldn't want to consider deleting them without hearing all of their songs.

Deleted Enter the Pain (Finland) - not metal
http://www.mikseri.net/artists/enter-th ... on/231212/

Deleted Eleventh Hour (US) - alternative/groove rock with slight traces of metal
https://music.apple.com/bz/album/feel-y ... /290351080

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:10 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Might Of Rage /Germany(- LLast time I brought up the band, I had only three songs available, and the review ended rather inconclusive. Now I have found all their three albums and i must say, that their first album from 1999is mostly pure New York style hardcore in the style of Sick Of It All and smilar, while the other two albums are mmodern style metallic hardcore in the style of Hatebreed , biohazard and Madball. So, please, if you could look at it:
http://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.p ... 7&langid=9
s
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... Rage/28697

https://uloz.to/file/FoTvenJpKas0/might ... own-ep-rar
https://uloz.to/file/rRu5niAr5hbb/might ... reborn-rar

https://uloz.to/file/tCOFFSZGgHsY/might ... f-hand-rar

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:10 pm 
 

Deleted Suiced (France) - addition from user that added a lot of non-metal during version 1. Only thing that could be found is a review which describes the genre as unclassifiable, but somewhere between industrial, black metal, and noise. Moving to the research thread.
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... ch&pto=aue

Deleted End of Expectations (US) - not metal
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_7PBQ ... RAvAdM2kag

Deleted Strong like Bear (US) - not metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACiLWAV2tiE

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:15 pm 
 

Deleted Black Temple (Finland) - Electronic/industrial/gothic rock
https://music.apple.com/us/album/godzil ... /916382325
https://soundcloud.com/blacktemple

Deleted Hindsight 20/20 (US) - Submitter has added a lot of non-metal. Audio found is questionable. Moving to research thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYUd53J6mtk

Deleted Purtenance Avulsion (Fin) - Minor name change to Purtenance. Released a rehearsal and demo before changing. All members the same.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:22 pm 
 

Deleted Ra (Germany) - rock/AOR

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:07 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Like Drone Razors Through Flesh Sphere this band was broubrought up last year by another user and somehow overlooked, but this is just ambient/drone without metal riffs.
Just listen to that humming noise:
https://ldrtfs.bandcamp.com/
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Li ... here/84465

Thanks, spooky. Repost from previous page.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:23 am 
 

Like Drone Razors Through Flesh Sphere -
Vote yes for the deletion suggestion. Of their 25 releases at Bandcamp, these are the only 3 that I could see them being potentially being kept for, which should be noted if kept. 95% ambient/drone.
https://ldrtfs.bandcamp.com/album/scorpiace (1 song)
https://ldrtfs.bandcamp.com/album/meditation (tracks 1 + 3)
https://ldrtfs.bandcamp.com/album/funeral-mantra (tracks 1 + 2)

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:56 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Siegertyp : StStrange mix of rac and noisecore. Whatever it is, it is not black metal.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6YkyhWgCKjN9/
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Si ... 3540339771


Thanks Spooky for the comment. aonter old repost:

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:02 pm 
 

Deleted Commencement (US) - their only discography is re-issued material that was released under their former name, Serration.

Deleted Ἑωσφόρος (Paraguay) - duplicate entry.

Deleted Chiro (Denmark) - insignificant name change from Chiro Therium.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 pm 
 

Deleted Infidel (China) - only had compilation releases.

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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:07 pm 
 

Deleted Regardless of Me (Italy) - the first album is predominantly Evanescence rock with very few gothic metal touches, while the rest of the discography is pretty much a mix of nu-metal/alt rock and core.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:59 am 
 

Deleted Rise of Kronos (Germany) - discography consists only of re-issued Surface releases, a band already on the site.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:18 am 
 

Deleted Prowler (Netherlands) - more rock than metal.

Deleted Nembrionic Hammerdeath (Netherlands) - minor name change to Nembrionic.

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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:45 pm 
 

Deleted Jonel Mandres (US) - neoclassical/prog rock with two semi-metal tracks.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:27 am 
 

Deleted Teuta (Serbia, incorrectly listed as Canada) - duplicate entry.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:02 am 
 

Deleted Nemesis (Puerto Rico) - minor name change to Necronemesis after one demo (format unknown), no line-up change.

Deleted Black Moon Circle (US) - their only release, "Paradise Lost" demo (format unknown, no references) contains 3 of the 4 songs that are on the Synbad "Paradise Lost" demo, but has a track titled "Outro", while the Synbad tape has a song called "Andromeda Invasion". Since the release title is the same, this is likely a re-release under their changed name. Even if it is a re-recording, the only new song offered up under the Black Moon Circle name is "Outro", which could even be "Andromeda Invasion" retitled. No logo or band photo unique to the name (different drummer, other 2 members the same).

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:51 am 
 

Deleted Jokers Wild (United Kingdom) - melodic rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGipJGHTUG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOFgyAKJT78

Deleted McMasters Death (United Kingdom) - fake band that had circulated on mp3 several years ago. Some of their alleged original tracks were songs by the Swedish band In Solitude. Added here by a banned user that was known for adding bands that don't belong on the site.
https://heavymetalrarities.com/forum/vi ... 20&t=16247

Deleted No Faith (United Kingdom) - though compilation track "Oh Well" is a little more metal, both tracks on their 7" release are boogie/hard rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPf5SZ3hVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOvfUW2xEBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTawLPKwNtc

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MDL
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:47 pm 
 

Hello. There's a band named Jaded, from US, that's listed as "heavy metal/hard rock". However, their hard rock material seems to overweight their heavy metal elements. They kinda sound like a harder version of Valora or Vextion to my ears. The thing is that I cannot find their full-length entirely, apart from a couple of songs. Their 2010 EP, "Higher", is fully available for streaming on Youtube.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Jaded/107433

The EP: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 1j_TojNh8Z

From the full-length:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTXn2mnww9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8yZDlCLp3g

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:13 pm 
 

Regarding Jaded : full debut album:
https://heavymetalrarities.com/forum/vi ... 46&t=29789

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:23 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Thanks a lot, Azmodes, for checking the bands. In regards to Front 776, II'll have only torepeat, that I am pretty sure, that it sounds almost exacttly as the blBlitzkrieg material, if it even can change anything. Maybe the moderators did not have the chance to compare it, I don't know?
Direct comparison:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V0gaIQv82DSJ/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDYEM7XcROk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNOw8zioIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPvfta8R2FI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14DfFnc4xhg

Full album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgQzr_Ob7Y

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GuardAwakening
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:35 pm
Posts: 384
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:02 am 
 

It’s been like a whole month and nobody has acknowledged either of these:
idk if we’re just waiting for Azmodes or what, but bump.


GuardAwakening wrote:
Vomit Slit (UK)

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vomit_Slit/101384

pure gorenoise not even remotely metal-based grind or goregrind of any kind

https://youtu.be/jLAynNToGd0


GuardAwakening wrote:
The Dog Park Incident (Canada)

https://thedogparkincident.bandcamp.com ... i-cat-cult\
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540478709

Mostly just deathcore chugs played in a way that tries to sound like slams, but actually just deathcore breakdowns. Entire album is like this.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:10 am 
 

Quorthallis wrote:
Deleted Regardless of Me (Italy) - the first album is predominantly Evanescence rock with very few gothic metal touches, while the rest of the discography is pretty much a mix of nu-metal/alt rock and core.


I'm curious, was their second album Pleasures and Fear evaluated before deleting them? That one is significantly harder-edged than the debut. I'm not as familiar with the last three albums since they seemed to be much weaker on first listens so maybe they're different, but on PaF, while there is definitely a fair amount of alt rock influence, it overall sounds to me more in the melodic groove metal vibe than anything nu- or -core.

KingSpooky wrote:
Deleted...Sickspeed (US - nu-metal, watered-down modern rock of early 2000s sound).


Could this band be kept as a side project of Rich Ward, founder/songwriter/guitarist of Fozzy, who are on the archives?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:41 am 
 

sickspeed was not a side project of Fozzy, it was formed prior to guitarist Rich Ward joining them. it is the other way around, Fozzy was originally supposed to be a side project o sickspeed, rich War's new band after the break-up o Stuck Mojo, who originally was just a fun cover band. That said, Sickspeed were added originally jas an allegedly real "heavy metal" band and I am ppersonally strongly against returning such blatantly non-metal bands back to the site under the guise of "side projectsů" I am not a current moderator, but I applaud the staff for deleting mamany blatanly non-metal side projects in the recent years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Ward

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:54 am 
 

Do you have a source that says Ward was not a founder? Here is one that says he was.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/chris-jericho-no-new-fozzy-album-before-2020/

Ward may have been working on some ideas for Sickspeed first, but Fozzy's debut came out a year earlier than Sickspeed's. Technically speaking they're both side projects of Stuck Mojo chronologically, I'm just saying from the perspective of a long-standing band that is actually archived. You call it "blatantly non-metal", but it's in the ballpark of hard rock/alternative/groove metal, which is as borderline as it gets genre-wise, and presumably why they were added originally on their own merits. It's not like it's a folk or reggae outing that happened to have members of a metal band. I'm just wondering if when they were deleted if it was taken into consideration that they have strong ties to an existing accepted band, regardless of whether the music itself falls below the threshold for metal here, which is more subjective.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:44 am 
 

Jost one more thing. sickspeed and Fozzy both were formed, when Stuck Mojo wre inactive, so the are not side proects of a Stuck Mojo musician.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:03 pm 
 

That depends upon what you mean by "inactive". SM was going through a lot of internal turmoil after Rising in '98, and "formed" is a bit nebulous, but Fozzy's s/t, Sickspeed's The Way I Am, and Stuck Mojo's Declaration of a Headhunter were released less than two years from each other, and regardless, Sickspeed's debut came out after Fozzy's, at which point Fozzy was still active.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:22 pm 
 

ThBoth bands wre founded in 1999, all accounts point towards sickspeed being founded prior to Fozzzy.
sickspped has also changed their name in 2003 and foled away soon. https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sick- ... e-to-cafu/
You may have already noticed , that the submission of non-metal side projects by reular users is prohibited since 2015, and that the deciosn abut slected exceptions/side projects is reverved solely to the staff. it is therefore inccomprehesible to me, that you would propose a band, that was deemed to be npnon-metal, to be re-added, just gbecause rich Ward also plays in Fozzy. That goes against what I view as a positive devolopnent in the structure of the site. It is a datadatabase of metal bands, not bands somehow related to metal musicians, after all. But the bulk of this shuld be answered by a moderrator, is I wuWill end the argument about his band. Unfortunatelym, nost momoderators are not vvisiting this thread very often recently, with the notable exception of King Spooky.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:42 pm 
 

The whole argument about the date of "founding" seems rather vague and abstract if there's nothing recorded and available for purchase. The side projects rule seems more about the spirit of the law than the letter of it anyway, so the point is more about the band member relationship than the exact timeline. Musically Fozzy and Sickspeed aren't all that far apart. Sickspeed leans a bit more into their hard rock influences stylistically, but they basically have the same members as Fozzy, driven by Rich's writing and riffing, just with different vocalists (though Rich even does some vocals for both).

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:06 pm 
 

Vote for deletion of Vomit Slit.
Indifferent about The Dog Park Incident - there are some bands that sound more borderline than this to me that are on the site.
Jaded sounds okay to me, but if other mods think that they should be deleted, no strong opposition here.
No - Sickspeed shouldn't be kept on the site.
Yes - all the recorded works of Regardless of Me were assessed by more than one moderator, and it was agreed that they shouldn't be on the site.

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:33 am 
 

There are metal elements, but not that many metal riffs here:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sc ... 3540271155
https://www.reverbnation.com/scottmotyka/songs

If it's to stay, perhaps the genre can be changed to Progressive Rock/Metal, Shred? There's nothing Neoclassical about it.
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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:49 pm 
 

Deleted Hades (Norway) - minor name change from Hades to Hades Almighty combined with a minor stylistic change. Migrated all the data to Hades Almighty entry due to it being the earlier addition.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:41 pm 
 

Deleted King Paimon X from Costa Rica. Their only release was fully stolen from Disregard's "The Art of Damnation" EP.

Deleted NightHunter X from Costa Rica. Their only release was at least partially plagiarized as well. Deleted to err on the side of caution.

Both projects "created" by the same fucking idiot.

Fuck that guy.
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Voice_Of_Steel
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:15 am 
 

Hi,

The label that released this is unofficial. The guy behind it told me. This band needs to be deleted for now.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Grief/3540493392

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=131538&p=2992374#p2992374

Email: *link removed*


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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:32 pm 
 

Voice_Of_Steel wrote:
Hi,

The label that released this is unofficial. The guy behind it told me. This band needs to be deleted for now.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Grief/3540493392

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=131538&p=2992374#p2992374


This label https://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Embek_Ireng/47483 is worth looking into too. I have a strong feeling that this is also a bootleg label and many of the bands under it should be deleted.

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