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Cosmic_Equilibrium
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:41 pm 
 

I have no problem with Thin Lizzy being on the Archives given their influence, but not sure about Lynott's solo stuff? AFAIK his solo albums were more pop rock than anything. If it was grouped with Lizzy, fine, but it has its own page.

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:55 pm 
 

For some of the most notable musicians, we include their side project even if they're not metal. This is an example. His page was added as a selected non-metal exception.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:13 pm 
 

Ah, OK, thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 am 
 

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Blitzkrieg (Germany). Their music is not heavy metal, but oi!/rac. The only thing, that may remind someone of metal, are their melodic leads, but leads do not define music genre and their style is deeply rooted in rac/punk both in the song structure and riffing:
http://88nsm.com/1211-blitzkrieg-discog ... -2007.html




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Witcher wrote:
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Blitzkrieg (Germany). Their music is not heavy metal, but oi!/rac. The only thing, that may remind someone of metal, are their melodic leads, but leads do not define music genre and their style is deeply rooted in rac/punk both in the song structure and riffing:
http://88nsm.com/1211-blitzkrieg-discog ... -2007.html

Ok, I've listened to their discography (huge thanks to Muhammadabbadabba). It's indeed more RAC than metal.

"Wir sind zurück" more RAC than metal...
"In Gedenken an..." starts borderline metal for two or three songs then goes [almost] full RAC.
"Das letzte Bollwerk" [almost] pure RAC...
"Split with Radikahl and Stromschlag" ^same as the above.

I'm removing them-

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:27 am 
 

Many thanks, MR.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:04 am 
 

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joecubbie
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:28 pm 
 

Hate to be that guy, but figured I'd bump this...

joecubbie wrote:
I think Heavy Bones sole album should be reevaluated. With the exception of opening track, "The Hand That Feeds", this sounds like a hard rock album in the vein of Lynch Mob.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... XcN8dxu0Xw

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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:59 am 
 

^Sorry it took so long, as said in the post it's hard rock apart from the opening track, removed.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:00 am 
 

Witcher wrote:



I have tested the links and even if the server is rather slow, both files have only about 20 MB each and can be downloaded in a few minutes. Their are also rather short, so the review can bbe done relatively quickly.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:48 am 
 

Deleted Ольга Рожнова & Вояж/Olga Rozhnova & Voyage. Predominantly hard rock.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:03 pm 
 

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Blood Order Company (USA): the band does not play hea¨vy/thrash metal, but hardcore based metalcore: http://88nsm.com/3470-blood-order-compa ... -2008.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYEnZ8VQaA



Thanks for deleting the previous band. This band has only one rlease. I have to specify. that the three longest songs on the album are melodic death metal based metalcore, inspired by bands like AT The Gates, but all the other tracks are either pure hardcore or accoustic folk songs, so the album is in no way predominantly metal.

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:53 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
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Blood Order Company (USA): the band does not play hea¨vy/thrash metal, but hardcore based metalcore: http://88nsm.com/3470-blood-order-compa ... -2008.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYEnZ8VQaA


Thanks for deleting the previous band. This band has only one rlease. I have to specify. that the three longest songs on the album are melodic death metal based metalcore, inspired by bands like AT The Gates, but all the other tracks are either pure hardcore or accoustic folk songs, so the album is in no way predominantly metal.


To me, most of the Metal comes from "Knights Cross" and the three "Norsemen's Saga" tracks, the latter of which are quite long and altogether comprise more than half the album's intended music. "Enter the Halls of Valhalla", "Farewell" and "In the Halls of Valhalla" are all Folk interludes. When you remove those tracks' 6 minutes and 25 seconds taken together, the album has about 32 minutes and 24 seconds of thrashy Metalcore. While it is true that "March to War", "Old Glory" and "Heritage" are based in Hardcore as opposed to Metal, they're greatly outweighed by the tracks that are Metal.

When analyzed track by track, I'm led to believe the Metal accounts for 76% of the Rock-based music, and 63% of the album in total when including the Folk tracks. I don't know how that isn't predominantly Metal unless you think the "Norsemen's Saga" tracks aren't Metal.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:47 pm 
 

The number of the track , that are not metal, is unprounproportionaly higher than then three tacks, aht are inindeed metal. The album is always hjudged as a whole, including the acoustic ttracks and ballads. Most importantly, I did not ask for your personal opinion, but for the opinion of somebody from the staff. You are not entitled to be the judge in this case.

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:23 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
The number of the track , that are not metal, is unprounproportionaly higher than then three tacks, aht are inindeed metal. The album is always hjudged as a whole, including the acoustic ttracks and ballads. Most importantly, I did not ask for your personal opinion, but for the opinion of somebody from the staff. You are not entitled to be the judge in this case.

Your point raises an interesting question. Exactly how is the metalness of an album assessed? By the number of tracks taken together or the total amount of minutes within a track and the music therein?

Shouldn't a band's inclusion rest on the amount of Metal music contained in a release as opposed merely to the number of tracks on a particular release unless we're talking about digital-only releases? Hypothetically speaking, if a band's release has seven tracks which contain three superlong epics (say 7+ minutes per track) of pure unadulterated Metal but four non-Metal tracks (say about 3 minutes per track), would they still be included on account of the Metal which would altogether amount to more than half of the release's length?
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:02 pm 
 

Removed Eclipse (USA, 80s band) - hard rock.

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Required Fields
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:01 pm 
 

I know Witcher seems to be trying to get the site to weed out National Socialist/white supremacist bands, because too many were deemed to be more punk than metal. Here's one I saw that seems to fit the bill, at least in terms of being a white supremacist act (not sure about the music).

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... ngth/58353

What proof is there it is actually black/death metal? They supposedly recorded an album that was never released, and a demo that was never released. No band member information is available (if they had members listed, and others were members of some other bands here, that would increase the likelihood in believing this is metal). Has anyone actually heard them? How do we know the music contents are indeed death/black metal?

No links are listed, so what proof do we have this is metal?

Here's another band listed as black metal, but no albums listed in the discography section.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Or ... anco/30328

What proof is there the band did indeed play black metal?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:05 pm 
 

Required Fields wrote:
I know Witcher seems to be trying to get the site to weed out National Socialist/white supremacist bands, because too many were deemed to be more punk than metal. Here's one I saw that seems to fit the bill, at least in terms of being a white supremacist act (not sure about the music).

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... ngth/58353

What proof is there it is actually black/death metal? They supposedly recorded an album that was never released, and a demo that was never released. No band member information is available (if they had members listed, and others were members of some other bands here, that would increase the likelihood in believing this is metal). Has anyone actually heard them? How do we know the music contents are indeed death/black metal?

No links are listed, so what proof do we have this is metal?

We have the proof that someone listened to them and checked for a vr BEFORE they got accepted, because...well that's how bands get accepted even though the process was less "strict" back then. And unlike RAC, black/death isn't really borderline/ambiguous. We don't delete bands because of you not finding info on a band that split up more than a decade ago and we don't delete bands for their lyrical themes.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:42 pm 
 

I know you don't delete bands for their lyrical themes; I just brought them up because a few were brought up here recently, and I came across one where the information seemed too minimal to tell whether or not the band really was legitimately metal or not, and possibly may have been accepted as one in error. If that's not the case, and there is some audio proof the band existed, then it's not the case.
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Required Fields wrote:
I know Witcher seems to be trying to get the site to weed out National Socialist/white supremacist bands, because too many were deemed to be more punk than metal. Here's one I saw that seems to fit the bill, at least in terms of being a white supremacist act (not sure about the music).

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... ngth/58353

What proof is there it is actually black/death metal? They supposedly recorded an album that was never released, and a demo that was never released. No band member information is available (if they had members listed, and others were members of some other bands here, that would increase the likelihood in believing this is metal). Has anyone actually heard them? How do we know the music contents are indeed death/black metal?

No links are listed, so what proof do we have this is metal?

Here's another band listed as black metal, but no albums listed in the discography section.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Or ... anco/30328

What proof is there the band did indeed play black metal?


I'm absolutely convinced Orgullo Blanco is fake since the submitter is "ArchDevil", one of the many pseudonyms used by Bathym of Perdition. Bathym claimed Kenny Greene was an old friend and bandmate in Perdition, but when asked for photos, he included a picture of actor Michael Bailey Smith.
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1005835-Arch-Devil
https://www.discogs.com/Perdition-Death ... se/5635099

Exact photo of Michael Bailey Smith used:
https://fanpix.famousfix.com/gallery/mi ... /p10129811

"Axis Power Records" was a fictional label created by Bathym. Another user who's no longer here and I were both privy to Bathym's many elaborate hoaxes and bizarre claims, not the least of which included releasing other bands' respective discographies as either his own or one of the many "bands" signed onto his label Rusted Nails Records. For example, RNR "band" Parthenon is, in fact, a Greek jazz-fusion group called Άβατον [Avaton / Abaton].

Perdition was removed from Metal-Archives many moons ago after found to have been faked. Perdition's sole Black Metal demo "Forgotten Rites" is certainly Metal, but the song "Ritual Rape" has been proven to be Nosvrolok's "Winds of the Cursed" with Bathym shrieking over it, which led us to believe the other material on said demo was forged from other releases. At one point, Bathym claimed a guitarist in Perdition called "The Unknown" was a member of Nosvrolok, but considering his established reputation as less-than-reliable on account of his chronic asspained over being unpersoned by FMP, I surmised this was either another one of his many tall tales or one of Nosvrolok's crew deciding on a whim to hand Bathym a demo/rehearsal version to have fun with. The latter assumption is based solely on the fact that both Perdition and Nosvrolok were from California (which lends only a tiny shred of plausibility), so I put my money on the former.

In any case, Bathym has been guilty of doing this several times over. Bergen Belsen SS, Quisling and Muslimcorpse were all fake bands with no known releases. Bathym has claimed bands purportedly from locatoins as far away as South Africa and Latin America were also part of his Anti-Wulfhere Front with absolutely no substantiating evidence.

I highly doubt Orgullo Blanco is real.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:10 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
I highly doubt Orgullo Blanco is real.


I'll try to do some digging.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:20 pm 
 

Required Fields wrote:
I know you don't delete bands for their lyrical themes; I just brought them up because a few were brought up here recently, and I came across one where the information seemed too minimal to tell whether or not the band really was legitimately metal or not, and possibly may have been accepted as one in error. If that's not the case, and there is some audio proof the band existed, then it's not the case.

But you not finding samples does not mean there never were samples. Them being listed here means they play metal until PROVEN otherwise and it's hard to prove that without having samples. If you find bands you think are not metal AND are able to provide samples for us to confirm that, bring them up here.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:12 pm 
 

The problem with Orgullo Blanco is, that band almost certainly does not exist, so there will never be any samples availabe, quite logically. I remember , that Bathym/ARchDevil submitted multiple, fake bands, which were accepted without samples and which I have deleted as a moderator. Two of them were Quisling, a fictional NSBM band with fictional mebers as : Johnny Rebel -guitars, vocals etc. The other band was Bergen Belsen SS, which he claimed was the first NSBM band in the USA and was allegedlythe first American NSBM band, wwhich has split-up after the death of band leader Paul "Spicslayer" Carter. He even added the band into his USBM list. That only shows, how inventive he was in spreading fake info.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:20 pm 
 

Cyklon-B (Russia) - pure rac/punk, as you can hear:
http://88nsm.com/7433-cbz.html
http://88nsm.com/9340-ciklon-b-zatmenie-very-2001.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bTCExuerx4

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:07 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:

I can definitely back up Witcher here. Their music is Hardcore Punk and straight up Punk Rock. They were probably included on account of the split with NazBol Thrash Metal band Кранты (Kranty).

All interested parties can message me for music.
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I have listened to the complete Cyklon-B split with Kanty and I have to say, that the Kanty songs are also not thrash metal, but hardcore punk. Maybe a bit harder than Cyklon-B, but still hardcore punk. If the first album which I cannot find, does not sound radically different, then I would say, that this band also does not belong: http://88nsm.com/277-ciklon-bkranty-sudnyj-den2005.html

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Witcher wrote:
I have listened to the complete Cyklon-B split with Kanty and I have to say, that the Kanty songs are also not thrash metal, but hardcore punk. Maybe a bit harder than Cyklon-B, but still hardcore punk. If the first album which I cannot find, does not sound radically different, then I would say, that this band also does not belong: http://88nsm.com/277-ciklon-bkranty-sudnyj-den2005.html

This is their first album. I don't know how this isn't Thrash:
https://youtu.be/F8g47sqpCTw

EDIT: Their second album. I'm confident they can stay.
https://youtu.be/m48iIyg89HI
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:33 pm 
 

Removed Neon Dream (Ger). Goth Rock (thanks, Antioch!)

Removed Under the Black Sun (Ger), Modern Hard Rock/Nu Metal.

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Freak Of Nature (USA) _- Mike Tramp's band, pure hard rock in the style of Saigon Kick and Burning Rain, not heavy metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJsEydT ... AaP-CR0Gx1
https://open.spotify.com/album/7HCvjfX6Grcr8bmY2F7yTl

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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:16 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Freak Of Nature (USA) _- Mike Tramp's band, pure hard rock in the style of Saigon Kick and Burning Rain, not heavy metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJsEydT ... AaP-CR0Gx1
https://open.spotify.com/album/7HCvjfX6Grcr8bmY2F7yTl


That's correct, removed.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:53 am 
 

Killfloor Mechanic (Germany) The album has some traces of melodic death metal, but the sound in predominantly in the modern metalcore vin with alternative/poppy choruses in the style of Destroy The Runner , straightforward faster modern hardcore parts, which usually follow the poppy chorus and since the middle of the album, also more prominent jumpy breakdowns. IIn my opinion, the aalbum is more - core than metal: https://killfloormechanic.bandcamp.com/ ... e-of-death

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Deleted Thunderlight Project, all the releases are from Lightborn, just re-released/re-uploaded under the new name:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Li ... 3540419841
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Midnightwards666
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Deleted Nedsvest. The correct name is Nadsvest and the band was already on the site.
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Removed MRSA (Sweden).
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Vinland Warriors (Can): Their first album from 199 is pure rac and since their second album "We Don't Care they play a mix of rac and hardcore punk in Agnostic Fronstyle wwith the occasional crossover thrash song, but such songs are only one or two per album, for example the song "Blood On Yer Face " from the albu"Final Battle" from 2004 or the opening song from the "guilt" album from 2008. The rest of the albums, however, is composed frof rac and hardcore punk songs and it goes for their entire discography, so they have no album, which would be predominantly metal.
https://racmusic88.blogspot.com/2016/08 ... riors.html
http://88nsm.com/1459-vinland-warriors- ... -2008.html
https://archive.org/details/VinlandWarr ... Battle2004

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Lochness from Canada. Accepted on September 6th.
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/L ... ers/795778

Why was it got accepted? At the time that user submitted to the queue it just only 2 tracks available for download. The album just available completely recently.
https://lochness420.bandcamp.com/releases

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:49 am 
 

^Ah well, I don't remember 100%, but I thought there was a full download back then. Guess I missed that, sorry. Mistakes happen. Acceptable now in any case.

Deleted Satan 666. Allegedly plagiarized music from a band called Grymauren. Whatever the case, the Bandcamp page was (suspiciously) removed shortly after it had been approved, so whether there is even a valid release is doubtful. Erring on the side of caution here.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:19 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
^Ah well, I don't remember 100%, but I thought there was a full download back then. Guess I missed that, sorry. Mistakes happen. Acceptable now in any case.


It's quite frustrating because I patiently waited for the release to be completely available to download before submitting it to the queue. But got rejected because this band already in the database which was submitted with the incomplete release by another user and got accepted.
I understand mistakes can happen and hope it will less likely to happen or never happen again in this case.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:04 am 
 

Removed Огонь Палатина (Ogon Palatina), Russia. The only release is a 7-bands split.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:49 am 
 

Removed Hurtpiece from the United States. Brought up based on a wrong genre report, but after a more thorough evaluation, seems just barely on the wrong side of the death metal/beatdown spectrum. More Hatebreed than Xibalba, basically.
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