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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:29 pm 
 

Blind Tendril : psychedelic stoner rock, not metal.
https://blindtendril.bandcamp.com/album/-
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540321165

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:12 pm 
 

Agreed - Blind Tendril is deleted.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:23 pm 
 

Hard Rock
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Wild/118323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvrPQazoLPU

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:04 pm 
 

Deleted Sassycat (US) - Rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyNH6nO6K6Q

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SF01
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:25 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Witcher wrote:

Deleted.

GraveWish wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Blaze_of_Perdition/3540268475 and https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Perdition/39741 should be merged.

Done.

Also deleted Batalion d'Amour. Gothic rock indeed.


Really? They are the holy trinity of Polish Gothic Metal along Artrosis and Moonlight.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:13 am 
 

For example:
https://www.ffm-rock.de/28150-batalion- ... polen.html
All albums of Battalion D'Amour wre provided for evaluation , it shuld be noted. Thanks to Stealth again for finding the rest of their catalogue.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:44 am 
 

Report for refract (USA):
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/775036
https://refractband.bandcamp.com/

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TOATestimony
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:17 pm 
 


- inaccurate retaliatory statement; putting in spoiler (Spooky).

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:49 pm 
 

You shuld not post bands here, when are not familiar with site's rules. It was already explained in thread babout your band, that the physical sngles and demos do not have to meet the same criteria as the digital ones. Also, when there are not links on the band pages, doesn't mean, that the band did not have valid releases. Please, see here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=metlmet ... e&ie=UTF-8
https://www.metal-archives.com/news/view/id/272
Also, you have posted all the bads hre just out of spite and anger, that your band got rejected again...

For example : Insane. They have released a demo cassette, also a valid physical release:
https://www.discogs.com/release/7755244 ... ip-To-Mind

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TOATestimony
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:12 pm 
 

Point taken- as I mean no disrespect to the the bands and their releases.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:17 pm 
 

Deleted Refract (US) - progressive rock, like a less heavy Tool.

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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:24 am 
 

This band:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pe ... 3540497609
Appears to be the following one with the name misspelled
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pe ... 3540483658

The latter also has the former's only release and on the cover
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/P ... ter/957497
You can clearly read Pestalagon Presmetrius

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0th
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:04 am 
 

Kennermahn wrote:

Deleted.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:01 pm 
 

The Wild (Netherlands) - Sounds like great early '80s metal with influences of Riot and Judas Priest to me. There are a couple minutes of rock during the second half of the demo, but overall it is very energetic and traditional metal sounding in my opinion. Definitely vote for it to stay.

Pequod-Crew (Ger) - Was just added earlier this year. The music sounds metal enough to me. Crunchy riffs.
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Repost for the rest of the bands that were brought up and await more opinions:
- Street Machine (Cze) - Their later output is definitely more hardcore. The albums "Realita" and "Cena pravdy" could use a second opinion. Could go either way on them, but if anything am leaning slightly towards deletion.

- Circus in Town (France) - They were accepted within the last couple of years and assessed by at least 2 moderators, but personally would vote for deletion. More opinions needed.

- Roxalt (US) - Needs someone else's opinion. I was indifferent about it after listening - could see them staying or being deleted.

- Lorien (Pol) - Doesn't sound like metal to me, either. The heaviest moments don't go further than groove rock in my opinion, and it is more bouncing between a couple of chords than 'riffing'. Another opinion would be good to have, though.

- Fabio (Italy), Wanderer (US), Asphyxiant (US) (incorrect genre report for Asphyxiant to note - https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/773708 ) - all three are borderline, but they seem okay to me overall. Fine with deletion as well, though. Waiting for further opinions.

Haven't listened to, probably won't:
- Endless Pride (Swe)

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:25 pm 
 

Stahlwerk (Ger):
The rist albums are pure oi!/rac and the thrthird , Idealist, has just three ttracks with very notable metal influences : Track 4 - Stalingrad, track 5 Gott mit uns and track11 Verräter. Ththe other songs are predominantly rac , similar in style to their first two albums.
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29028
Please, also lok, how their label destibes the style on "Idealit":
https://opos-records.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=4698
The style on Idealit can be compared to that of the already delted band Heiliger Krieg, only Stahlwerk hae even less metal influences. They use ssimilar style of melodic soloing.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540481190

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:52 pm 
 

Stahlwerk - that was assessed recently by two moderators, and it was determined that they should stay on the site.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:43 am 
 

Deleted Adler und Schwert.
Seems to be a fake NSBM release dumped on Bandcamp for the quick addition to MA ...or it was taken down by Bandcamp for violating their TOS, no idea.
Either way the thing disappeared from Bandcamp within a day after it was released and added to MA.
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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:19 pm 
 

Deleted Nation A.D. (US) - industrial rock listed as thrash metal.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLbSs5 ... nation+a.d.

Deleted Prospect (US) - hardcore.
https://www.youtube.com/c/hurrrr/search?query=prospect

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:37 pm 
 

Kinzoku Souls:
https://www.youtube.com/kinzokusouls
Just read the report, please:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/775519
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5hM0cTyV2ftKSJMwwBHbrl

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:45 pm 
 

Kinzoku Souls - yeah, I'd agree that they shouldn't be on the site. It was just assessed by two other moderators based on those two songs a couple of months ago, so it will probably end up staying. More mod opinions would be helpful.

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NintenTheMetalhead
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:33 am 
 

Absent Society - First EP is mallcore, and their 2 demos are more metal but are still borderline core https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ab ... 3540303034

First EP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AspneJWDpGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9-jzGeNH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKv65Rw5rT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEpyOzD2n50
I can't find the 5th track but I think 4 out of 5 songs is enough.

All three of the songs from their demo The Mushroom Stamp are on their ReverbNation, as well as 1 of the 2 songs from their Steel Bones demo.
https://www.reverbnation.com/absentsociety

They also have an album/EP from 2005 that's unlisted that sounds too much on the nu-metal/core side of things as well: https://open.spotify.com/album/1fzfrPEG ... old1dl5ffg
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:00 am 
 

Systematic Storm (Ita): I don't remember the exact circumstances, under this band was accepted, but it eas later modified by the submitter in a style, which domonstrates, that the band is most lekly merely ajoke. The digimon themed albums after the demo certainly do not exist and i culdn't find any useful info about the demo "Live stage" either. To it comes, that the user added new member with instrments ůlike "jew's harp to the line-up during the years.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sy ... 3540326005

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:32 am 
 

Deleted Absent Society (US) - primarily core/nu-metal.
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Repost for the rest of the bands that were brought up and await more opinions:
- Street Machine (Cze) - Their later output is definitely more hardcore. The albums "Realita" and "Cena pravdy" could use a second opinion. Could go either way on them, but if anything am leaning slightly towards deletion.

- Circus in Town (France) - They were accepted within the last couple of years and assessed by at least 2 moderators, but personally would vote for deletion. More opinions needed.

- Roxalt (US) - Needs someone else's opinion. I was indifferent about it after listening - could see them staying or being deleted.

- Lorien (Pol) - Doesn't sound like metal to me, either. The heaviest moments don't go further than groove rock in my opinion, and it is more bouncing between a couple of chords than 'riffing'. Another opinion would be good to have, though.

- Fabio (Italy), Wanderer (US), Asphyxiant (US) (incorrect genre report for Asphyxiant to note - https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/773708 ) - all three are borderline, but they seem okay to me overall. Fine with deletion as well, though. Waiting for further opinions.

- Kinzoku Souls (Mexico) - had been assessed by 2 moderators and accepted recently, but it might not be a bad idea to have another opinion or two. They don't sound metal to me.

- Systematic Storm (Italy) - probably a good idea to delete them. Added by an untrusted user, nothing can be found about them elsewhere online, and there was nothing kept to validate their place on the site. The entry looks suspicious in my opinion. Will wait to see if another moderator agrees rather than to delete at the moment.

Haven't listened to, probably won't:
- Endless Pride (Swe)

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:45 pm 
 

Deleted Hebra (Spain) - incorrect spelling of Hebrea (already listed).

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Planetary_Misfortune
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:26 pm 
 

KingSpooky wrote:
Deleted Hebra (Spain) - incorrect spelling of Hebrea (already listed).


Sorry about submitting it, honest mistake.
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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:54 pm 
 

No problem.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:34 am 
 

Nuked The Ninth Gate (pre-Neaera) again. We discussed it and the Neaera compilation can't really be considered a split.
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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:44 am 
 

It's not a Neaera release either... There's a couple of similar releases on MA.

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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:26 am 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
Nuked The Ninth Gate (pre-Neaera) again. We discussed it and the Neaera compilation can't really be considered a split.


I don't get this, it was still an official release of the music not as part of a sampler. This reminds me of the Terrorizer L.A./Terrorizer demo compilation controversy, which prevents a relevant compilation to Terrorizer fans from being added to the Archives over some technicality.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:34 am 
 

How is it not a Neaera release? Is there anything on the compilation indicating the demo was recorded/released by The Ninth Gate?
If not this exactly the same case as any other band that recorded a demo, but released it to the public after they changed name.
e.g. https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... emy/603059

The similar cases in which bands got added based on a "compilation" of later incarnations are different, because they actively list the old band name on the corresponding songs in the tracklist which makes it clear they belong to the old name. On a very technical and "grey area" level that makes the compilation a split. Here all we have is that in includes their demo from 2004 with no mention of the old band name that we were able to find.
If it's clearly mentioned in the tracklist, feel free to proof us wrong, until then this demo was first released (as in "proven to be released") under the Neaera name on this compilation.

See:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/N ... ons/580461


Edit:
As for the Terrorizer / Terrorizer L.A. headache, the issue is that all songs were originally released by Terrorizer, except for "Collapse" iirc. It's not listed on the Terrorizer page, because it's not a Terrorizer release and we don't include Terrorizer L.A. because they had one original song on a lengthy compilation of old stuff. It's far from ideal and we had several lengthy discussions about it, but that's where we're at right now.
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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:37 am 
 

It would be great to have a definition posted to outline what would make the difference between somewhat similar splits vs. 'tracks tacked onto a release'. I've confirmed that the way that these 2 releases are can be added as splits (because they specifically list the other band name):
https://nothingsacredau.bandcamp.com/al ... ish-boxset
https://www.discogs.com/master/966761-H ... oundations

The fact that songs on a release like this were recorded by a different band can be mentioned in a lot of different ways on a release - sometimes on a CD or record itself but not in the liner notes, other times with the songs listed under the other band's name on the back but not the spine, or not on the back but somewhere in the liner notes, with the other band name in parentheses next to each song that they recorded, only on the opposite side of the front cover, but not on the back cover main track listing, fact that it was recorded under a different name known but unknown exactly how it's listed in the booklet/backtray (seems to be the case for Ninth Gate, since we know that it was recorded under that name per interviews, nintenthemetalhead confirming it from a band member, and info on the M.A. release page), separated by band on a digital download page but not on the physical release, etc. It could be confusing in how to regard each of these without an exact definition. I personally thought that it would be a good idea to separate all of the bands on such releases into their own Metal Archives pages if it's a known fact that some of the recordings featured aren't by the main band title of the release, so that each incarnation of the band, or the other featured band's recordings, given that there is enough recorded material and that they, too, played metal, can be given a place on the site for their own logo, band photo, and members (in some cases 90% different than that of the main band on the release) to be listed out rather than guest credits given to a band that they didn't play in, and the encyclopedia can be enriched by branching out from there to further explore and view the other projects that those members were involved in, rather than to have their credits crowded in/hidden within guest credits for a band and release page of what was marketed under a single band name. Sometimes these 'bonus tracks' contain more content than a band with a single song on a compilation that can have its own listing. It seems to come down to a matter of marketing of a release vs. what band factually recorded songs.

Here are some other examples that come to mind, that have their own M.A. page currently:
https://www.discogs.com/release/1490430 ... -High-Road (Quest)
- on the backtray track listing: "track 4-6 were recorded in 1980 under the name of Quest".
https://www.discogs.com/release/14672463-Wyred-Image (Cherry Wench - features one Wyred member. Included is their whole 1990 demo, previously unreleased)
https://www.discogs.com/release/1656441 ... -1988-1991 (Metralla and Shrapnel)
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/O ... nyx/851885 (Onyx) - Onyx have a separate official cassette release, but here is another example that can be looked at. If not for that other tape release and if decided not to consider this a split, many members and years of history would be erased from the site, or crowded onto Arcanum's page in additional notes/bio section.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:36 am 
 

Havenside deleted.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:40 am 
 

It is not a Neaera release because the songs got re-recorded as Neaera later, as mentioned in the additional notes of the said record on MA. Now if the versions added to the record are the old versions, then these records technically belong to The Ninth Gate and not Neaera, regardless if the name is mentioned or not. I don't mind deleting the band, that's not the point actually. I am trying to understand what is acceptable and what is not, because it certainly look like arbitrary for now. As I said, there are a couple of similar releases on MA, some mentioned in the Spooky reply above.


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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:49 am 
 

That's currently under discussion.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:10 pm 
 

KingSpooky wrote:
nintenthemetalhead confirming it from a band member

It was actually MDL who got the info from Neaera, not me.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:04 pm 
 

Hello, yes, here's the screenshot of our conversation, if it will help:
https://i.imgur.com/oBY3URx.png

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:03 pm 
 

odin's law (Can(
First album "Battle Legions Of Wotan" : Only songs nr.1,2,3,4, 11 and partially 10 are mpredominantly thrash metal, the rest is rac and ballads:
https://ulozto.cz/file/LamLq9ZNf/odins- ... MHZTH0Lt==
The album Still Standing Strong: Only tracks 2, 4, 9, 10 and 12 are predominantly metal, the rest is rac and covers:
https://ulozto.cz/file/VgjkFhZw/odins-l ... b3IRH0BJL1
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Odin%27s_Law/19816
In any case, when you pput away the two cover songs (Skrewdriver and Uleashed), only 5 of the oother ten songs are predominantly thrash metal, so the album is only about half-metal.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:53 am 
 

Hizjrah (Ind): Their ep has actually four songs, not only two , and the first two songs on it are gothic/alternative rock, nonot metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnvP73t_1I
WhWheile I don't agree with the report below, that the music is pure punk rock, it is a fact, aht half of tof the ep is gothic rock and not metal.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hizjrah/3540413505

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:45 pm 
 

Update of this thread / awaiting other moderator opinions:
- Street Machine (Cze) - Their later output is definitely more hardcore. The albums "Realita" and "Cena pravdy" could use a second opinion. Could go either way on them, but if anything am leaning slightly towards deletion.

- Circus in Town (France) - They were accepted within the last couple of years and assessed by at least 2 moderators, but personally would vote for deletion. More opinions needed.

- Roxalt (US) - Needs someone else's opinion. I was indifferent about it after listening - could see them staying or being deleted.

- Lorien (Pol) - Doesn't sound like metal to me, either. The heaviest moments don't go further than groove rock in my opinion, and it is more bouncing between a couple of chords than 'riffing'. Another opinion would be good to have, though.

- Fabio (Italy), Wanderer (US), Asphyxiant (US) (incorrect genre report for Asphyxiant to note - https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/773708 ) - all three are borderline, but they seem okay to me overall. Fine with deletion as well, though. Waiting for further opinions.

- Kinzoku Souls (Mexico) - had been assessed by 2 moderators and accepted recently, but it might not be a bad idea to have another opinion or two. They don't sound metal to me.

- Systematic Storm (Italy) - probably a good idea to delete them. Added by an untrusted user, nothing can be found about them elsewhere online, and there was nothing kept to validate their place on the site. The entry looks suspicious in my opinion. Will wait to see if another moderator agrees rather than to delete at the moment.

- Hizjrah (India) - on the metal scale, the main problem is the first song. Is it able to be confirmed anywhere other than the YouTube video that the EP track listing is as shown there, with 4 songs? Could go either way here on deletion - it sounds mostly fine other than the first song in the YouTube video. If it can be confirmed that there are more than 2 songs on the release then their page should be edited.

Haven't listened to, probably won't:
- Endless Pride (Swe)
- Odin's Law (Can)

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