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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:03 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Just finished listening to "Watch Out" by Trash track-to-track and am left wondering why this band got on the site, especially considering the reputation of the very man who added them. This is rougher sounding AC/DC-influenced Hard Rock with a few chords taken from Sunset Strip. Not to say there's no Metal on "Watch Out" ("No More Rock Tonight" stands out as well as a few tracks from the A-side), but enough to be on the archives? I don't think so:


"Burnin' Rock" is pure Hard Rock:

This was overlooked, and I was asked to review it (both by another mod and the user). I agree. Neither album is predominantly metal. The first one ("Watch Out") has some metal moments, but those are in the minority (as you state) and certainly don't form the basis of the album's sound. The second album ("Burnin' Rock") is hard rock, no question. The splits draw their tracks from these albums, so there's nothing new to look at there. There is a case to be made about the historical relevance of the splits (or more appropriately VA compilation albums), but there's a few things of note with regards to that: (1) the historical relevance comes largely from the inclusion of Bathory to those label-produced VA compilations, (2) prior to upping the limit of bands on splits from 4, to 5, to 6, we had no reason to treat these albums as exceptions, and (3) the inclusion of a historically relevant split/VA compilation doesn't precipitate the inclusion of the bands attached to it on that alone. There is no precedent for including such a project as a non-metal exception. We, of course, judge bands on their own merits and those merits mandate that the band release and distribute a predominantly metal album. With all that said, this band has been found wanting and has been removed.
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 12:36 am 
 

Krister Jensen wrote:
Cleopatra - Rain sounds mostly hard rock. The whole album rar - https://yadi.sk/d/V58XaHBD3HkDBr

Left overlooked on the previous page.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:09 am 
 

Yikes. Nuked.
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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 6:20 pm 
 

I'll try to be as brief as possible with this one.

From the Ashes (approved, non acceptable imo.) → Another Black Day (same band, blacklisted, acceptable imo.)
If you take a look to the From the Ashes profile, it includes an album released by the changed-name band (Another Black Day) with the same title.

"Another Black Day" contains the same songs as "Awakened". But they were re-recorded and re-arrangened and became more metal.
Problem is, "Awakened" sounds mostly like alternative/nü metal even if these are the same songs.

There is a report (with a song-per-song analysis) that goes deep into this matter. I recommend you to review it on it's entirety.

If you want to hear both albums here are the links:
Awakened (full): link
Another Black Day (full): link

Thanks.

EDIT: If FTA is considered riffy-enough, genre should be modified to "Alternative/Groove Metal" at least.

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 3:03 pm 
 

Deleted Inedia from Italy. Alt rock/mallcore with some metal stuff mixed in.

From the Ashes/Another Black Day gives me a headache, someone else will have to deal with that one. :(

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:14 am 
 

Deleted Titan from the UK, the one that released the East Wind, West Wind single. Hard rock.
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TheStormIRide
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:34 am 
 

Deleted Fecalized Rectal Sperm Spewage (US). Someone flagged a report for a genre change, culminating in the band being nuked for being punk-y gurglegrind with no metal riffing.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:36 pm 
 

Deleted Anus Brigade. Goregrind (surprise!).
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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:52 pm 
 

LLL (Love's Labour's Lost)
Currently listed as "gothic metal". I've heard their early EP and there's little traces of metal. mostly rock with sharp-sounding guitars.
Everything else is non-metal, I believe.

There was a report case for a genre update: http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/603047/
But before starting to add their albums in vain, I believe this band should be re-checked first.

Discography: EP 2005 / LP 2007 / LP 2014 / LP 2016

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Shadechaser
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:55 am 
 

Sorry to be boring, but why the rule of "20 minutes minimum" did not work in case of the only digital release of Trovador?

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PDS
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:14 am 
 

Shadechaser wrote:
Sorry to be boring, but why the rule of "20 minutes minimum" did not work in case of the only digital release of Trovador?


Proof of physical distribution was in the submission notes, a page for the CD version is just not there yet.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:23 am 
 

Acually, the submitter just called it a "CD" in the notes, but from all appearances it's a digital release they shared on FB with a rendering of a CD. It's quite professional all around, so judged valid, despite the lower-end length. Keep in mind that 20 minutes are a guideline, not a hard rule. Other factors also come into play.
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Shadechaser
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 10:36 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Keep in mind that 20 minutes are a guideline, not a hard rule. Other factors also come into play.

Sure, I remember, thx!

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I Am the Law
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:37 pm 
 

I think this band DEgITx should be re-evaluated

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/DEgITx/3540408855

https://degitx.bandcamp.com/album/forest-spirits

Sounds like a mixed bag to me. Riffs take a backseat a lot of the time to keys/synth stuff and the riffs that are present don't always sound metal. At a minimum the genre might need to be changed since there's very little I hear that's close to death metal.

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:57 pm 
 

I Am the Law wrote:
I think this band DEgITx should be re-evaluated

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/DEgITx/3540408855

https://degitx.bandcamp.com/album/forest-spirits

Sounds like a mixed bag to me. Riffs take a backseat a lot of the time to keys/synth stuff and the riffs that are present don't always sound metal. At a minimum the genre might need to be changed since there's very little I hear that's close to death metal.

Discography: Winter Storm 2013 · Between Death and Stars 2014 · Forest Spirits 2016 · Memories EP 2017 · Red Flower (upcoming album) 2017

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 1:50 am 
 

SPELLGATE
Listed as Power Metal. It's sympho rock more like.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/exodus/id46884741
I was hoping to get hold of the demo for cheap, but I've just got a message it may not work out.
Spotify: https://play.spotify.com/album/50IyQSXv ... edium=open
CDBaby: https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/spellgate
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:08 am 
 

DEgITx: Genre changed, though maybe this should indeed be deleted entirely. Not sure.

Spellgate: Opting for an erring-on-the-side-of-caution deletion here. Even if the demo is 100% metal, it's rather little.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:59 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Spellgate: Opting for an erring-on-the-side-of-caution deletion here. Even if the demo is 100% metal, it's rather little.

I've asked the owner for a CD-rip. However, I've just noticed that the three songs on the demo are the same as the first three tracks on the full-length - the titles at least. I'll still pass the demo on when/if I get it.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:23 am 
 

HEAVY ROTATION
Hard rock cover band: http://www.deezer.com/album/143051
I recognise:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c3g6tTYoxM (I Don't Believe in Love by Queensryche)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jpf-eC-Xlk (Youth Gone Wild by Skidrow)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7DjCQfMqqg (Unchain the Night by Dokken)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaGv1I63gK4 (Rock Me to the Top by Tesla)
Don't know the rest, but I bet they're covers, too.

EDIT: + TNT (Everyone's a Star) and Whitesnake (Standing in the Shadow).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:00 am 
 

Antioch wrote:


How on earth did you get in here? Here's the door.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:35 pm 
 

Cross-posting from report queue: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vo ... 3540269067

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 4/show/all

Quote:
I like these guys but are you sure they belong here? They have some Malmsteen-esque touches and some Power/Melodic Metal elements on their debut album but I doubt that this is enough to qualify them as Metal. Everything after the first record is very clear-cut Hard Rock with heavy Whitesnake influences.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:55 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Cross-posting from report queue: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vo ... 3540269067

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 4/show/all

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I like these guys but are you sure they belong here? They have some Malmsteen-esque touches and some Power/Melodic Metal elements on their debut album but I doubt that this is enough to qualify them as Metal. Everything after the first record is very clear-cut Hard Rock with heavy Whitesnake influences.

Playlists for all of their albums: Voodo Circle, Broken Heart Syndrome, More than One Way Home, and Whisky Fingers.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:55 pm 
 

Black metal/ambient band Perdition from California has been deleted. Basically, no valid releases, there's reason to believe that the metal output is all plagiarised/fake.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:41 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Cross-posting from report queue: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vo ... 3540269067

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 4/show/all

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I like these guys but are you sure they belong here? They have some Malmsteen-esque touches and some Power/Melodic Metal elements on their debut album but I doubt that this is enough to qualify them as Metal. Everything after the first record is very clear-cut Hard Rock with heavy Whitesnake influences.

Agreed, deleted.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:22 am 
 

Antioch wrote:
Both
- http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mat ... ctem/36075 and
- http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Matutina/35930
are darkwave/folk bands. At least, that's what I gathered from the four songs I could find:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMEPsbE ... b1y0qfHoMs
Lacrimosa is brutal death metal compared to this. There's not one metal riff on here.

It'd be great if Morrigan took a listen, too, as I think she might still want to include them. No idea.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:54 am 
 

"Atmospheric Country Rock/Ambient" - Casualties of Cool
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ca ... 3540381098

Yikes... Don't even want to know what led to this band being added to begin with.
Well, probably just the sheer genius of Devy

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Azmodes
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It was included purely as a Townsend side-project, it's obviously not metal at all. We're revisiting these exceptions, though, as some of them don't really belong and were only added based on a mechanical approach blind to eventual "relevance".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:32 am 
 

Tordenvær: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/a/3540426344

Is a 7-minute single limited to 10 physical copies really enough?

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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:05 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Tordenvær: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/a/3540426344

Is a 7-minute single limited to 10 physical copies really enough?



Generally, no. Deleted.
There are things we consider when a physical release is strictly limited, and we usually discuss these as a team. Having looked at the original submission notes, I can't see anything fluid enough to show that these checks were followed, and as such as I don't feel that there is a valid release at this point in time.

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Solarian_14
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:10 pm 
 

Emptiness Cycle wrote:
MutantClannfear wrote:
Tordenvær: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/a/3540426344

Is a 7-minute single limited to 10 physical copies really enough?



Generally, no. Deleted.
There are things we consider when a physical release is strictly limited, and we usually discuss these as a team. Having looked at the original submission notes, I can't see anything fluid enough to show that these checks were followed, and as such as I don't feel that there is a valid release at this point in time.


So, what i must to do, you accept my band?
Release 50 CD copies of this demo-single?
Or release my rehearsal demos 20 m. length?
Thank you anyway

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:14 pm 
 

Yes, you must follow the rules to get your band on the site. Read here https://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules
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Azmodes
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The following non-metal side-projects/exceptions have been deleted:

11 as in Adversaries
A Perfect Day
Anders Björler
Andreas Kisser
Aphrodisiac
Ascension of the Watchers
Blood from the Soul
Bolverk
Bourbon Flame
Byla
Casualties of Cool
Christian Älvestam
Dave Brockie Experience
Humanoid
Pulsefear
Ralph Santolla
Scott Hull
Self Spiller
Shiva in Exile
The Sabians
Virgo (Matos/Paeth)
Geddy Lee
Victor
Philm

Primarily one-off projects with little/no relevance to metal, aside from having a musician from a famous (or sometimes actually not really famous) metal band. None of them are really significant/notable in their own right.

If anyone is missing any reviews, PM me. I emailed out those that I thought weren't published elsewhere or saved by the user.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:25 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Death/45680
"Black Death" from USA
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:27 am 
 

Mind giving a reason?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:31 am 
 

I can't find anything about this band elsewhere. No songs, no physical releases...
This band seems to be a joke with the logo made with paint and the band picture.
There is absolutly no links too.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:36 pm 
 

Yeah, that certainly raises some alarms, but you have to be careful about deleting bands solely based on looks and a dearth of online evidence. Anyway, we'll look into it.
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Miracle666
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:55 am 
 

I'm really sad that you decided to delete so many Hard Rock bands. Hard Rock always has been an essential part of the Metal scene. In the 70ies, 80ies and early 90ies, the scene has been called "Hard'n'Heavy", the name "Metal" has been estimated in the late 90ies to seperate it clearly from Alternative stuff.

In my opinion, an encyclopedia about Metal is simply uncomplete, when bands like Kiss and AC/DC are missing. They are the roots and the basis of all Metal bands and nearly every Heavy Metal musician names these bands when you ask them about their influences. It even gets weirder, when bands like Deep Purple, Def Leppard and Scorpions are still listed, although they don't sound any harder.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:06 am 
 

You're welcome to group all hard rock as a part of heavy metal without reservation, but this site does not. You're in the wrong thread too. If you have a specific complaint about an excluded band, post here, but for well-known bands such as these be aware that they've been discussed to death and the matter is closed. Using the search function may yield informative past discussions.

By the way, Def Leppard are included based on the first album, which is mentioned in their additional notes. Deep Purple and Scorpions are included as semi-exceptions based on their historical importance, specifically cited as such in the rules section. You may argue that this would also apply to KISS and AC/DC and the like, but that's a never-ending debate and the nature of exceptions is that they are arbitrary to a certain extent (personally, I would argue for a noticeable musical difference between bands like Scorpions/(early) DP and KISS/AC/DC, though). The status quo is what has been decided by the site owners. The basis for an acceptable band is the "metal riff" and although we do list certain early bands from the fuzzy border of psychedelic/hard rock and heavy metal that, contemporarily speaking, might slither into the area of outright exceptions, putative influence in itself is not sufficient for entry. You're free to start your own database, with your own drawing of the line, and see whether you will find complete agreement from every single visitor.

Lastly, I assume you mean "blacklist" or "not allow" and not "delete", because neither KISS nor AC/DC nor probably most of the bands you have in mind were ever listed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:58 pm 
 

Deleted Feed Us Fetus. No releases, according to the label they split up before their full-length was released.
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Deleted Hymns of Herod, plagiarized Omen.
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