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joecubbie
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:45 pm 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
Deleted Hymns of Herod, plagiarized Omen.


Man I am so sorry for submitting those goofballs. I haven't listened to Omen in years (and I mean years). I had a feeling something was off just by listening to their "record", but it wasn't until now I realized it was nothing more than a plagiarized release of Battle Cry.

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Wilytank
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:18 pm 
 

As long as exceptions are being re-evaluated, can we get another look at Nest?

From over a year ago:
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Here's Nest. They're a dark folk project from Finland. The main guy involved was involved in a few other bands, but I'd hardly call him significant enough to be allowed the side project rule.

I love this project, but why is it here?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nest/22384

For listening purposes, the entire discography is on their Bandcamp. http://nestfin.bandcamp.com/

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:55 am 
 

Were they added following the hype of The Mist And the Morning Dew? That band never amounted to anything except one demo, but they had quite a line-up.

Out of all bands that Aslak Tolonen is involved in, Nest is by far the most notable - at least the ones that are included here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:10 am 
 

joecubbie wrote:
theunrelentingattack wrote:
Deleted Hymns of Herod, plagiarized Omen.


Man I am so sorry for submitting those goofballs. I haven't listened to Omen in years (and I mean years). I had a feeling something was off just by listening to their "record", but it wasn't until now I realized it was nothing more than a plagiarized release of Battle Cry.


I missed it too dude, no big deal.
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:11 pm 
 

Salix Babylonica: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540428345

Only release is a compilation/"split" featuring seven bands: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... ers/657087

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:34 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
As long as exceptions are being re-evaluated, can we get another look at Nest?

From over a year ago:
Wilytank wrote:
Here's Nest. They're a dark folk project from Finland. The main guy involved was involved in a few other bands, but I'd hardly call him significant enough to be allowed the side project rule.

I love this project, but why is it here?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nest/22384

For listening purposes, the entire discography is on their Bandcamp. http://nestfin.bandcamp.com/


I agree with you, and this one will be reconsidered along with similar projects in the near future. At the moment we're [very slowly] discussing side project/non-metal inclusion policy. I can't say for sure, but what I think is going to happen is we are going to clarify/rewrite that part of the rules more in line with how it has been implemented in recent years, and then we'll go through the non-metal bands on the site and consider and explain the inclusion of each one (or delete it.)

So, uh, expect a decision later this year, maybe? :P

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:46 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Salix Babylonica: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540428345

Only release is a compilation/"split" featuring seven bands: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... ers/657087

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:57 pm 
 

Svordom
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Svordom/3540389083
https://svordomxii.bandcamp.com/

Listed as gothic/doom metal. It's just atmospheric goth stuff with hardly any metal.
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 pm 
 

Deleted Engine from USA. Mallcore/rock band which doesn't qualify as a side project.

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:54 pm 
 

Frozen Time
Listed as Gothic Metal. Their latest/last two releases have zero metal.
https://frozentime.bandcamp.com/
Can't find the other demos, but I doubt they'd be any different. As per the additional note, the third demo isn't a valid release, either.
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:04 am 
 

Antioch wrote:
Frozen Time
Listed as Gothic Metal. Their latest/last two releases have zero metal.
https://frozentime.bandcamp.com/
Can't find the other demos, but I doubt they'd be any different. As per the additional note, the third demo isn't a valid release, either.


It probably means the band under the previous name needs some investigation, as well.
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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:00 am 
 

Deleted Trollpanzer. No valid release; one demo consisting of two very short tracks, purely instrumental. Alleged cassette limited to less than 15 copies, but no real evidence of said cassette.

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:16 pm 
 

Deleted Kek. A number of tracks were confirmed as plagiarized, not going to waste time identifying the rest.

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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:19 pm 
 

Trollkillers unite!

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:50 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Deleted Kek. A number of tracks were confirmed as plagiarized, not going to waste time identifying the rest.

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:06 pm 
 

Nothing For
Listed as Doom Metal, but I don't hear much, if any metal. Just sounds like really, really bad keyboard stuff.
https://www.realmusic.ru/nothingfor/albums/
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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:13 am 
 

Bumping these for the last time:

Midnight Rider wrote:
LLL (Love's Labour's Lost)
Currently listed as "gothic metal". I've heard their early EP and there's little traces of metal. mostly rock with sharp-sounding guitars.
Everything else is non-metal, I believe.

There was a report case for a genre update: http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/603047/
But before starting to add their albums in vain, I believe this band should be re-checked first.

Discography: EP 2005 / LP 2007 / LP 2014 / LP 2016

Midnight Rider wrote:
I'll try to be as brief as possible with this one.

From the Ashes (approved, non acceptable imo.) → Another Black Day (same band, blacklisted, acceptable imo.)
If you take a look to the From the Ashes profile, it includes an album released by the changed-name band (Another Black Day) with the same title.

"Another Black Day" contains the same songs as "Awakened". But they were re-recorded and re-arrangened and became more metal.
Problem is, "Awakened" sounds mostly like alternative/nü metal even if these are the same songs.

There is a report (with a song-per-song analysis) that goes deep into this matter. I recommend you to review it on it's entirety.

If you want to hear both albums here are the links:
Awakened (full): link
Another Black Day (full): link

Thanks.

EDIT: If FTA is considered riffy-enough, genre should be modified to "Alternative/Groove Metal" at least.

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odium
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:11 am 
 

Sorry if this has been already asked, but just to make sure - if the band had a release, has a prove of it, but the tracklist is not clear, can such band be submitted? Like in these cases

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fr ... 3540428889

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Go ... 3540428891

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:13 am 
 

Of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:19 am 
 

odium wrote:
Sorry if this has been already asked, but just to make sure - if the band had a release, has a prove of it, but the tracklist is not clear, can such band be submitted? Like in these cases

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fr ... 3540428889

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Go ... 3540428891


I'm also a Mod - why would I have added these if this wasn't allowed?
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:08 pm 
 

^ I think it's because you're a mod, TUA. You are to be trusted. Users' submissions on the other hand may not always be trustworthy. He was probably wondering whether what applies to you applies to others as well. ;)
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:31 pm 
 

Deleted Crowned in Semen; Sacreligious Torment cover band, no original material, I vomit on god's child, etc.

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:19 am 
 

Why was Wasted (Guatemala) accepted? The additional notes don't mention any physical release, and looking through their Facebook page doesn't show much either.


Last edited by S9NE on Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:06 am 
 

The submission notes included an image of a physical cassette release. Must have been an oversight.
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S9NE
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:11 am 
 

Ah, okay. I'm guessing it's the same case with Evil (Guatemala)?

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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:13 am 
 

S9NE wrote:
Ah, okay. I'm guessing it's the same case with Evil (Guatemala)?

Confirmed. The submission notes have a picture.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:44 pm 
 

Sometimes we get submissions with the required proof in the sub notes, but not much else added. We usually add a quick note about the release in that case, but sometimes the mod simply forgets or doesn't bother due to the fact that someone will be quick to fill in the gaps after approval anyway.
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Fromage_Qui_Pue
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:05 am 
 

Hi,

Not about deleting a band, but i'm suspicious with country of this band:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ka ... 3540408147

Their story looks a lot like a glurge, all known scenes in Angola are in Luanda and Benguela, their production and English sound suspiciously good and it's unusual to find Death/Grind bands out of Maghreb and South Africa...

No really proofs at this time i know, but maybe doubt can be introduced in description?
"In absence of proof this band is considered as angolan, but their story and material introduced some doubts about it"
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:41 am 
 

Fromage_Qui_Pue wrote:
Hi,

Not about deleting a band, but i'm suspicious with country of this band:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ka ... 3540408147

Their story looks a lot like a glurge, all known scenes in Angola are in Luanda and Benguela, their production and English sound suspiciously good and it's unusual to find Death/Grind bands out of Maghreb and South Africa...

No really proofs at this time i know, but maybe doubt can be introduced in description?
"In absence of proof this band is considered as angolan, but their story and material introduced some doubts about it"


Yes, this does seem suspicious. The "band photo" posted here appears to predate the band by several years, based on a TinEye search, and there is no evidence that it is actually this band. This makes me quite suspicious about the "missing limbs" story, as they're quite overt about capitalizing on it as a gimmick, yet there's no actual pictures of them. Besides that, no mention of them in the Death Metal Angola documentary.

I agree, it does seem suspicious. I will remove the picture and add a note to the page.

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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:38 pm 
 

Deleted Silentium Est Aureum. Masquerading as bm/ambient, each demo was almost predominantly dungeon synth (if you could even find it) and limited to 5-10 copies.

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I Am the Law
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:45 pm 
 

I know this band was just added, but I'm really not hearing many, if any, metal riffs here

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fi ... 3540428862

https://fishslaughter.bandcamp.com/albu ... laughter-i

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Opus
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:28 am 
 

Why is Next to None here? I hear no riffs, all I hear is djenting, chugging, horrible emo vocals and occasional scratching(!).

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TheStormIRide
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:32 am 
 

I Am the Law wrote:
I know this band was just added, but I'm really not hearing many, if any, metal riffs here

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fi ... 3540428862

https://fishslaughter.bandcamp.com/albu ... laughter-i


Well there are no guitar riffs, because it's all on bass. But the bass mimics metal riffing. Since I'm the one who added them, I'll leave the decision up to another mod.
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Fromage_Qui_Pue
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:50 am 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Fromage_Qui_Pue wrote:
Hi,

Not about deleting a band, but i'm suspicious with country of this band:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ka ... 3540408147

Their story looks a lot like a glurge, all known scenes in Angola are in Luanda and Benguela, their production and English sound suspiciously good and it's unusual to find Death/Grind bands out of Maghreb and South Africa...

No really proofs at this time i know, but maybe doubt can be introduced in description?
"In absence of proof this band is considered as angolan, but their story and material introduced some doubts about it"


Yes, this does seem suspicious. The "band photo" posted here appears to predate the band by several years, based on a TinEye search, and there is no evidence that it is actually this band. This makes me quite suspicious about the "missing limbs" story, as they're quite overt about capitalizing on it as a gimmick, yet there's no actual pictures of them. Besides that, no mention of them in the Death Metal Angola documentary.

I agree, it does seem suspicious. I will remove the picture and add a note to the page.


Great, thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:48 pm 
 

Supposedly, CoffinFeeder is a death metal band from 1983 that released a full-length in 1987. I found nothing by googling any of their releases or their earlier name Cross of Doubt. Perhaps a mod could take a look and see what evidence was provided when they were first submitted.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540333656

The only indication I found that they are real is this guy linking to what was supposedly a review of "I Want Your Blood" which has since been taken down: http://thecorroseum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7978

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Rasha_yad wrote:
Supposedly, CoffinFeeder is a death metal band from 1983 that released a full-length in 1987. I found nothing by googling any of their releases or their earlier name Cross of Doubt. Perhaps a mod could take a look and see what evidence was provided when they were first submitted.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540333656

The only indication I found that they are real is this guy linking to what was supposedly a review of "I Want Your Blood" which has since been taken down: http://thecorroseum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7978


So are you asking why Cross of Doubt is listed? Because they're not listed. They don't have their own entry and are listed as an earlier name for CoffinFeeder (who has a confirmed physical release, btw). Since they probably didn't release anything they don't have an entry. It's just what the band was called before they changed their name to CoffinFeeder. So as far as Googling a release from a band that probably doesn't have a release... it's not really surprising you couldn't find anything.
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TheStormIRide wrote:
So are you asking why Cross of Doubt is listed? Because they're not listed. They don't have their own entry and are listed as an earlier name for CoffinFeeder (who has a confirmed physical release, btw). Since they probably didn't release anything they don't have an entry. It's just what the band was called before they changed their name to CoffinFeeder. So as far as Googling a release from a band that probably doesn't have a release... it's not really surprising you couldn't find anything.

No, I'm asking about CoffinFeeder. I thought they seemed suspect and doubted their veracity. What's the evidence that they have a physical release? A death metal full-length from 1987 is of significant historic interest, so I think it should be made public. Also evidence of other details regarding the band if there is any, such as their 1983 formation date, or evidence that their 1987 album is death metal.

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Rasha_yad wrote:
TheStormIRide wrote:
So are you asking why Cross of Doubt is listed? Because they're not listed. They don't have their own entry and are listed as an earlier name for CoffinFeeder (who has a confirmed physical release, btw). Since they probably didn't release anything they don't have an entry. It's just what the band was called before they changed their name to CoffinFeeder. So as far as Googling a release from a band that probably doesn't have a release... it's not really surprising you couldn't find anything.

No, I'm asking about CoffinFeeder. I thought they seemed suspect and doubted their veracity. What's the evidence that they have a physical release? A death metal full-length from 1987 is of significant historic interest, so I think it should be made public. Also evidence of other details regarding the band if there is any, such as their 1983 formation date, or evidence that their 1987 album is death metal.



Understood! I'm going to do a little more digging. The physical proof provided was regarding the 2005 split album, so the rest, as far as I can tell from submission notes is unsubstantiated at this point. Being that the physical split apparently only had 6 copies makes it all the more suspect. I'll make a post about it in the mod's discussion forum. I will update you with any findings!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:14 pm 
 

Hi there. Sorry if this post is not for this thread.
However... If some metal band has an only self-released album that consists only of metal covers for the other bands' tracks from, say, 1980-90s, would it be accepted?
(suitable length, metalness, links to amazon and google play, etc)

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Shadechaser wrote:
Hi there. Sorry if this post is not for this thread.
However... If some metal band has an only self-released album that consists only of metal covers for the other bands' tracks from, say, 1980-90s, would it be accepted?
(suitable length, metalness, links to amazon and google play, etc)


If the band is covering other bands, no it's not acceptable. If they are just reworked versions of their own songs, then yes. Hope this answers your question.
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