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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:06 pm

Witcher wrote:

I recently got th ep of the czech band Thief" Deux Ex Mmachina" and it is certainly not progressive metal. The style on it could be described as alternative/nu-metal/metalcore with hearable influences from bands like Korn or Tool. Please, listen to the entire ep here: http://bandzone.cz/thief
Here are some of their old demo songs (I do not own their first demo): https://www.youtube.com/user/thieftom

SotLB and myself will re-evaluate this. True, it needs a genre change at least!
[EDIT]: We both find it riffy enough. Most of the stuff is acceptable Groove Metal. Genre was changed to "Groove/Alternative/Nu-Metal"

Krister Jensen wrote:

Астра/Astra sounds at least very borderline hard-n-heavy, worth revaluation. RAR.

It has a single heavy/speed metal song (Track 9: Марш мотоциклистов).
The rest is bluesy hard rock in the vein of Rainbow/Deep Purple/Uriah Heep/early Whitesnake (and so on).
Not even borderline, really. Removed!

Krister Jensen wrote:

Materia sounds entirely math/core/something. RAR.

100% DJENT. Just a carbon-copy of Meshuggah between 98' and 05', nothing more, nothing less. They're gone.

Krister Jensen wrote:

Apathetical Syndrome needs to be revaluated, sounds too much ambient. download.

SotLB and myself agreed that there's way to much ambient wich makes the DSBM side not prominent enough.
Besides, it was previously rejected years ago by TUA for similar reasons (we support him).

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Zodijackyl
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:07 am

Deleted "The Taste of Silver" - some sort of screamo/mathcore band with a bit of metalcore mixed in.

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joecubbie
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:17 am

Which album was Oxbow accepted off of? I always considered them to be a noise rock band in the vein of The Jesus Lizard, Big Black, etc. While they do have their heavy/sludge moments, the majority of their work seems to be based in noise and experimental rock.

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:49 pm

joecubbie wrote:

Which album was Oxbow accepted off of?

Probably "An Evil Heat", that's why their are currently listed as "Stoner/Doom Metal, Avant-garde".

joecubbie wrote:

While they do have their heavy/sludge moments, the majority of their work seems to be based in noise and experimental rock.

Sure, it will be re-evaluated.

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:17 pm

Deleted Applehead - Soundgarden/Alice in Chains worship grunge but without the metal.

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I'm sure he would have pushed strongly for them to be included. I'm guessing there was a fight among the mods over whether to include them, and it ended with Metantoine being imprisoned in Napero's Finnish ice wizard tower.

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Antioch
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:44 pm

Re-evaluation probably needed.
https://store.cdbaby.com/Artist/WeepingTheBlack
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/We ... 3540322636
Dunno if anyone's interested in buying the digital release. Of what I've heard, I'm not.

Can't find the first demo, though:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/W ... ima/297890

I've updated the page, because there's little to go on, but it's a name to keep in mind... Weeping the Black.

Found a new song, linked in an old report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHvxMjyqhU

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:23 pm

Antioch wrote:

Dimora is available on Spotify.

There's a review of Meaning in Lacrima who refers it as nü-metal on the first song and tracks 2,3 as ballads. Four track is referred as half-ballad.
Dimora is Godsmack/Disturbed nü-metal. I'm absolutely nuking this!

Thanks, Anti.

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Witcher
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:35 pm

Witcher wrote:

Thanks again.
Another one: Steven Patrick, former vocalist of Holy Soldier. There is one real heavy metal song on "Red Reign", namely "Fire", but again, the rest of the album is predominantly hard rock imo. Full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n34o8-o ... FMCqvDJbc7

His second album"Guns&Gold" is entirely in country&blues style and has nothing to do with metal whatsoever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCqiowa7QpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTlV65l7s1Q
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE90aJ ... 8RSXAPsCQQ
https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/stevenpatrick2

This is a repost from page 96, so if please someone would review Steven Patrick, I would be very glad.

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:05 pm

Witcher wrote:

This is a repost from page 96, so if please someone would review Steven Patrick, I would be very glad.

87' demo is Hard Rock / 95' album is Hard Rock / new stuff is obviously country.

Removed.-

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Witcher
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:11 am

Witcher wrote:

Thanks, Azmodaz.
Another band I was wondering about recently is Holy Soldier. I know, that they were accepted based on their first album, but I was listening to it recently and ffrankly I do not find any difference in style or heaviness between H"Holy Soldier" and "Last Train". They both sound to me like Ratt's Out Of The Cellar album, combined with Dokken's more hard rock material, also more Har rock than metal. The only songs, that could be called metal on the debut are "Tear Down The Walls" and with some hesitation "See No Evil" , which has something similar to Queensryche, the rest is predominantly hard rock imo. The third album is grunge inspired modern hard rock, by the way. Here are all three albums:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFx5KCtQsvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-l4GzF234A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-0pi_B ... 5D5E4E2C33

Please, can somebody react on this. Also on Steven Patrick's solo career?

AThanks again. Here is another repost from page 97, Holy soldier. Here are also their twoearly demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5cjlY3RcXE

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:05 am

Witcher wrote:

Thanks again. Here is another repost from page 97, Holy soldier. Here are also their twoearly demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5cjlY3RcXE

SotLB and I will do a re-evaluation focusing on their early material. Please be patient.

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Muhammadabbadabba
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:22 am

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:

The Irish band EZ Feelin' shouldn't be here at all. All their songs are a mix of AOR and Pop Rock with only faint metallic soloing here and there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsmgaIrnTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8dat0MuekE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYk0IVAkaOM

Just bumping this to make sure it doesn't get lost. Anyone had a chance to give this a listen?

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:01 pm

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:

Just bumping this to make sure it doesn't get lost. Anyone had a chance to give this a listen?

It really was AOR as you said.
Deleted & blacklisted, thanks!

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Witcher
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:58 pm

Witcher wrote:

The Irish band Stryder sounds like pure hard rock to me: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stryder/49497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRy_hnvyGbI
The band describes themselves as a "rock band from Dublin" : https://stryder.bandcamp.com/releases

Another ssuspicious band from Ireland is Freeway. Unfortunately I could not find samples, but read this description: Heavy metal band with keyboards. The A-side of their sole single sounds a bit like Def Leppard. The B-side is a mid-tempo ballad.
https://www.irishrock.org/irodb/bands/freeway.html

Here is a repost from previous page, These two Irish bands were submitted by the same user, who also added Ez Feelin. Both bands have released only one single, so the review for example Stryder should not last long, unfortunately I can't find the second song from the single anywhere. If the song would be really needed, maybe other users could help: I found another review of Stryder's single and they ccompare them again to Thin Lizzy. I have made the comparison to Thin Lizzy's hard rock material already prior to reading this review: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/album ... -thru(demo)

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:53 am

Witcher wrote:

Stryder is somewhat borderline and deserves a re-evaluation based on the entire single.
Freeway. The review doesn't specify which era of Def Leppard we're talking about. There's a small chance it's metal-enough if it's in the same vein of the first album.

It doesn't hurt if we keep both of them until the missing tracks surfaces.

Thanks, Witcher.

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Witcher
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:58 am

Witcher wrote:

The Swedish band Crashdiet iis imo pure sleaze/glam/hard rock and not really predominantly heavy metal. Their style is in no way different from other Scandinavian neo-glam bands like Crazy Lixx, Hardcore Superstar, Dirty Penny, Santa Cruz etc., so I see not much reason in featuring then here.
Samples: Full first album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opTHtib59cE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC1Ztug7MhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgeXu3yYzn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nsNTmPp74c
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrSleaze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crQ26FCqnmU
https://open.spotify.com/artist/1cB013ULmW96lglRcrWTut

Edit: To have the Holy Soldier samples complete, here are their two early demos. The first one, the three track demo from 1985, is really heavy metal in style, while the second demo from 1988 is already in the polished hard rock style of the debut album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5cjlY3RcXE

A repost from page 96, original post is over a month old. Did anybody already have a chance to listen to Crashdiet's discography?

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:23 pm

Witcher wrote:

The Swedish band Crashdiet is imo pure sleaze/glam/hard rock and not really predominantly heavy metal. Their style is in no way different from other Scandinavian neo-glam bands like Crazy Lixx, Hardcore Superstar, Dirty Penny, Santa Cruz etc., so I see not much reason in featuring then here.

They will be re-judged by the staff. It may take some time to be done, though. Patience.

Witcher wrote:

Edit: To have the Holy Soldier samples complete, here are their two early demos. The first one, the three track demo from 1985, is really heavy metal in style, while the second demo from 1988 is already in the polished hard rock style of the debut album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5cjlY3RcXE

In fact, we're focusing on these two demos. We'll get to a decision soon and post it here.
[EDIT]: Removed! A raw, borderline demo among a discography of three full albums plus an EP and various minor releases consisting of pure hard rock doesn't make it qualify to keep it on the database.

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Witcher
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:50 am

Frozen Rose - predominantly hard rock. Thefirst song on their 1991 ep has some metal riffing, but then it gets all commercial in the hard rock style inspired by Kiss and stay so until the end. The vocalist is really good, but the music is unfortunately not predominantly metal. Listen to the whole ep here: https://archive.org/details/FrozenRoseFrozenRoseEP_0
https://myspace.com/frozenroseusa
Please, read also this review: http://melodic-hardrock.com/frozen-rose ... rose-1991/

Edit: Bootleg (Swe(( The review of this band should not take too long, since they have only one single and here are both songs from it. Predominantly hard rock imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=temeaM2YzeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j9FeLUjDJc

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:14 pm

Witcher wrote:

Yeah, the first two songs are somewhat borderline HM/HR then goes full into hardrock/ballad. I'm removing this-

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Witcher
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:38 am

Thanks as always , Midinight rider. And whatabout the second band, that I have posted, Bootleg (Swe). The band has only the two following songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=temeaM2YzeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j9FeLUjDJc

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:14 pm

Witcher wrote:

You're welcome, man. I'll review Bootleg asap. Cheers.

[EDIT]: "Dagdrömmar" sounds like Iron Maiden on their debut and/or early Saxon.
"Tankar Om Dej" on the other side is more rockish (perhaps, like first Leppard).

Borderline as fuck but it makes the cut. Let's keep it

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Witcher
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:39 am

Witcher wrote:

One more : The German band Rated X plays imo bluesy hard rock on both albums. I actually own their "Forbidden For The Youth" album on Cd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1BXvsSOwc
http://intunes.ru/release-iddhjacjg/For ... -The-Youth

Thanks, MR. Here is my conclusive repost from the previous page, the German band Rated X, which hasn't been reviewed yet.

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:00 pm

Witcher wrote:

Thanks, MR. Here is my conclusive repost from the previous page, the German band Rated X, which hasn't been reviewed yet.

Not even a single metal riff, just pure Hard Rock in the vein of ACDC and KISS. Eliminated-

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Witcher
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:41 am

Thanks again. Another problematic band: I have noticed, to my surprise, that Street Toyz are listed here. This band is imo the eighties glam from a texbook, comparable to bands like Poison, Pretty Boy Floyd, Warrant or Trixter and not heavy metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyeX1GjP5wU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpID3g7ctZ8
https://sleazeroxx.com/street-toyz-revi ... -required/
https://www.amazon.com/Some-Assembly-Re ... B00D5GSHTM
http://fnarecords.net/index.php/some-as ... uired.html
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/some- ... 1045834855
https://www.deezer.com/cs/album/11335872

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Midnight Rider
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:38 pm

Witcher wrote:

Two mods approved this back in 2016 and I'm supporting their vision aswell, this have lots of classic metal riffing.
It has a glam vibe yes, but this sounds more like Savatage meets early Motley Crue than Poison or Warrant.

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:11 pm

Deleted a duplicate of Krith Nazgul.

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:05 pm

A strongly suspicious band is Powerage (USA) from Pittsfield. The band and their single are listed as "blues/hard rock" at Discogs. Unfortunately I cnnot find any samples, but I rely on the other users or mods, that they could find some now or in the future. In any case, i found it important to list the band here as potentially deletable and problematic:
https://www.discogs.com/Powerage-Whatev ... se/1481172
http://www.45cat.com/record/nc895576us
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/singl ... to_pieces/

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Witcher
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:44 pm

The band Aushwitz from Costa Rica is apparently fake. Please, see here for details: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=122574&p=2819302#p2819302

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:48 pm

The guy claiming he was never in the band with no evidence besides "Im a black puerto rican and could never support anything like that", when there are plenty of NS people in countries like Indonesia, isn't enough for the band to get removed or for him to get removed from it. Neither is there being nothing about the band on the internet. Whitewashing is a very common thing, and that's likely what this is.

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OpsiusCato
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:02 pm

As a complementary comment on SotLB's post, yes, whitewashing is a very common thing *ESPECIALLY* among nazi-wannabes.

And yes, skin color and nationality is not a particularly big impediment for nazi wannabes to be nazi wannabes.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:05 pm

I've taken assignment of the report. The person who submitted the band is still active, and there may be a chance they remember where they got information about the band, and how they confirmed that the artist is who he says he is. While it is just as likely it's your typical Nazi whitewashing attempt, it's also entirely possible it's not. We weren't the most meticulous back in 2004, so I'll wait to see, first, if the submitter remembers anything.

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Antioch
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:47 am

While it has its metal moments, this doesn't sound predominantly metal to me. Shred mostly.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... oq2VbCFmtI
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/ISZW/3540256623

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:32 pm

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pa ... B3ia/84915
Hi here is paranoia, I think that this band should be removed.

If you download the link to the demo : http://portugalunderground.blogspot.com ... or-de.html
You'll hear that this is not metal... In my opinion, the sound is so raw, we can't really hear any thrash riffs. Maybe more a kind of hardcore or whatever.

Maybe they have released something metal, but that is not.

So guys, what do you think about it?

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:10 pm

Re: Auschwitz from Puerto Rico
- I've ended up deleting it. There's enough evidence to indicate that the release was very likely invalid and that the music is predominantly pornogrind and not metal. There is evidence that it existed, however.

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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:25 pm

Deleted Bacchus from Belgium - rock, honestly not even close to metal.

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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:20 am

Casting doubt on a band so others can help.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Subliminal/112888

I've come across this through the random search function, and I remembered having seen the debut on CD while rummaging through someone's collection a couple of years back. I stopped and picked up the CD as I didn't know what it was, and asked him what genre the band played, and he said nu-metal. I put it down and moved on to other stuff. I didn't expect the band to be on the archives, and until yesterday, I'd forgotten all about it.

Anyway, while I realise (as I type) that my post bears no weight, I'm putting this out there for those who have the CD or have heard the songs first-hand. I can't find anything myself.

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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:41 am

Antioch wrote:

Casting doubt on a band so others can help.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Subliminal/112888

This one? link 1 / link 2.
I couldn't find any info on their 98' demo nor any musical samples.

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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:39 am

This isn't the one I saw. I saw the other one with the dead man's face.
This one - second link - is cheap, though. Is it a Spanish site? Hope someone's interested enough to grab it.
Thanks, MR. Appreciated.

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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:39 pm

Safe Haven is a very questionable entry, though it's possible it's here because of a "side project" rule.

I know that Mike Vescera (who has been on many albums I have discussed on my YouTube channel) is the vocalist, so I'm thinking it's listed here for this reason only. However, Safe Haven's sole album is more AOR than anything else going from what I've heard, as opposed to the usual traditional metal Vescera usually performs.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Safe_Haven/35076

Samples I found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_4JKUkkaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdBncU0cjwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Rb-QBZBxA

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:08 am

Suspiria from Mexico was added to the queue before by me on 2018-09-19. But it was rejected due to the reason "very poor sound quality and a terrible mix". I accepted that, totally. But today it was added to the site by the mod. What's going on? If it finally qualified as a eligible digital-only band, my submission should be restored, right?

https://suspiriamx.bandcamp.com/releases

My submission:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Su ... 3540445298

Mod's:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Su ... 3540447794

Respect you guys, as alway.

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MC on Witcher's band submission wrote:

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