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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:17 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Punch'N'Judy (Ger):
Actually a Deutschrock/Folk rock band in the style of In Extremo, Subway to Sally and Saltatio Mortis:
https://www.youtube.com/user/punchnjudyNEWs
https://open.spotify.com/artist/177zF3Sk96VelzRWJOnW5U

Cool band, but there's definitely some metal in it...mixed with loads of other stuff. They call it Crossover Folk for a reason, I guess.
Sounded more like a less-Irish version of Fiddler's Green than the generic German Folk Rock. Also there are no samples of the albums that got the band accepted in the first place.
I bought them though and will deal with this once they arrive.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:05 pm 
 

Thanks, pag. I have one more small plea. Could you or any other moderators try to download the Hundde des keieges and Crack & Calvados albums from the folowing links? I have tested it and they work for me, you have only to watwait about tten seconds, before the link appears , and then click on it. The download is quite slow and you are limited tto be able to download only one file per day, but the downooad normally finishes.
If it does not work for Azmodes, maybe it works for you, since it would be really complicated for me to upload about four or five lenghty albums, for which the early download links have expired , online.
Here are direct links:
https://ex-load.com/ockri431rn1l/Crack_&_Calvados_-_Split_(2008).rar.html
http://88nsm.com/7294-crack-calvados-sp ... sless.html
https://ex-load.com/gwz0py9ufwd8/HeK.rar.html
http://88nsm.com/8147-hunde-des-krieges ... -2014.html

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:14 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
@ThStealthP: I would advise against posting huge lists of bands from a borderline genre in this thread when you're still a relative newcomer to this site and -not to sugarcoat it- still have a lot to learn. I suggest getting a feel for what MA considers to be acceptable and what it doesn't first and then only post about bands you're reasonably sure don't belong in here. Sorry, but this thread is cluttered enough as it is, I simply do not have the energy to go over dozens of -core bands with a microscope right now, bands that telling from some of Witcher's comments might turn out to be fine anyway.


Hey bro, how are you? I had not seen this until your message until, okay, no problem, honestly I apologize. Next time I will only publish one post per band, instead of a huge list, since Witcher himself warned me before, in previous comments.

EDIT: Perfectly understood and huge list deleted too, to save space.


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I dunno if their material is up on the internet somewhere, and I dunno if a mod has soulseek (I have it there), but if you're judging metal by riffs, I don't think at all that Dead Raven Choir should qualify for being included in the archives. It's more like harsh noise folk.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:26 pm 
 

rEGARDING dEAD rAVEN cHOIR:
i THINK , THAT THE MODS COULD START WITH THIS COMPILATION, WHICH GIVES A GOOD OVERVIEW ABOUT THE BAND'S STYLE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3uQTPWA9D4
i THINK, THAT THE ARE MORE FULL ALBUMS ON yOUTUBE, TOO.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:36 am 
 

ThStealthP wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
@ThStealthP: I would advise against posting huge lists of bands from a borderline genre in this thread when you're still a relative newcomer to this site and -not to sugarcoat it- still have a lot to learn. I suggest getting a feel for what MA considers to be acceptable and what it doesn't first and then only post about bands you're reasonably sure don't belong in here. Sorry, but this thread is cluttered enough as it is, I simply do not have the energy to go over dozens of -core bands with a microscope right now, bands that telling from some of Witcher's comments might turn out to be fine anyway.


Hey bro, how are you? I had not seen this until your message until, okay, no problem, honestly I apologize. Next time I will only publish one post per band, instead of a huge list, since Witcher himself warned me before, in previous comments.

I can reduce my list now only to some bands right now ? There are like 15 bands if I remember correctly.

It's not just about the number of bands per post... Please read my previous post again. I think it was quite clear as to the core message there.

droneriot wrote:
I dunno if their material is up on the internet somewhere, and I dunno if a mod has soulseek (I have it there), but if you're judging metal by riffs, I don't think at all that Dead Raven Choir should qualify for being included in the archives. It's more like harsh noise folk.

I have Slsk, I'm on it.

Also, my issue with those Hunde des Krieges links is not necessarily that they're dead, but that it keeps saying I'm using a VPN (I'm not) and thus can't download it.

I am inclined to keep World Hate Center listed. Morrigan also seemed to think so back in 2011 (although she only had one song available).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:02 pm 
 

the crack and calvados download works for me, will check the other one tomorrow
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:44 pm 
 

Thanks, Paganiusi, that's a big help. I am glad, that i most likely have to upload the links somewhere.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:45 pm 
 

Dead Ballerinas (Ger):
The band played glam/hard rock, not heavy metal.
Unfortunately I could not find a download of the whole album , but I hope that these four songs would give a godd idea about the general songs on the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKn8SgdgVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVlh60BGDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AONJBj5Y_mg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKMrj9V8ZU

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:14 pm 
 

Genius Hired Guns (USA):
The debut album only sounds like alternative rock, not as alternative metal and hard rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVQdQ74vTT8

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:36 am 
 

Witcher wrote:

Bandcamp stuff works, of course, but I again have the same problem with the other links, so can't check. Looking at the modification history, I was the one who approved them in 2015. From the sounds of the 2014 full-length it might be fine, although there is a lot of hardcore in it indeed.

Witcher wrote:
La Brigada (Chile): Hardcore based grindcore, not death/grind.
http://musica-nazionalista.blogspot.com ... -2003.html

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Witcher wrote:
Rrancatoco (Bra):
Hardcore based grindcore, full demo:
https://www.youtube.com/user/guinozella

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:21 am 
 

Thanks Azmodes. As for the ex.Load links, Paganiusi seems to be able to download from them, so maybe you could contact him for the Crack/Calvados and Hunde des Krieges albums? The band Morgenröte, which have also posted, also seems to have the links to their two albums only there.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:10 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Dead Ballerinas (Ger):
The band played glam/hard rock, not heavy metal.
Unfortunately I could not find a download of the whole album , but I hope that these four songs would give a godd idea about the general songs on the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKn8SgdgVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVlh60BGDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AONJBj5Y_mg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKMrj9V8ZU


I found this, the full album to download:

http://metalalbumszipkbps26.blogspot.co ... 9.html?m=1

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:02 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Thanks Azmodes. As for the ex.Load links, Paganiusi seems to be able to download from them, so maybe you could contact him for the Crack/Calvados and Hunde des Krieges albums? The band Morgenröte, which have also posted, also seems to have the links to their two albums only there.

Hunde des Krieges sounds acceptable to me. Stays.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:24 pm 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Thanks Azmodes. As for the ex.Load links, Paganiusi seems to be able to download from them, so maybe you could contact him for the Crack/Calvados and Hunde des Krieges albums? The band Morgenröte, which have also posted, also seems to have the links to their two albums only there.

Hunde des Krieges sounds acceptable to me. Stays.

And how about the Crack/Calvados split? Reagrding Crack, since Calvados itself is clearly acceptable?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:24 am 
 

You know, Witcher, you don't need to instantly hound us about every single thing if it didn't get addressed just yet. Pag told you that he was checking that split. There is no need to constantly go "and what about this? and what about this?". We don't always address absolutely everything in a post, only the things we feel we can already comment on. We're on it, as mentioned a number of times, and are slowly working our way through the build-up in this thread. All the ceaseless bumping and impatient posts tend to have the opposite effect, making us want to deal with it all less and less. You'll probably think that this is a disproportionate response, but I must confess to being a little tired of your relentless approach in these matters.
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Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
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I'm not sure trolling is encouraged on these forums.


I’m not trolling. I sincerely hear little to no heavy metal guitar riffs in the music of Pelican. All I hear are power chords and atmosphere with the occasional melody or metal riff over the top.


If you don't hear any metal is Australasia, I think you're going to have a frustrating time on this forum.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:34 pm 
 

Tors Vrede (Sweden):
The band is listed as viking metal, but to me it sounds like viking rock, the sstyle, which bands like Ultima Thule and Heroes made popular:
https://archive.org/details/TorsVrede-A ... +Runor.mp3

For comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWxrR7k5NA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQO8k23M0uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxiNKOOJEqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_tGZDsNGSA
https://www.youtube.com/user/DeathZenMagick

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:54 am 
 

Regarding Crack (Rus).
The band can't have been accepted based on the split as it was released two years after the band got added to MA.
Tracked down their other releases...well, most of them.
The debut is straight up Punk.
Only found two samples of "Gloria", but those sound like Thrash to me.
"Пусть льётся кровь" sounds like Punk with some Motörhead and Thrash going on here and there.

Inclined to keep the band unless there's a full stream of "Gloria" somewhere, since the samples I found were fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 am 
 

O.K., thanks. I'll wait, if that Gloria album does appear ssomewhere in the future.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:28 am 
 

In the 98 or 90% of the occasions, I almost always find all musically available to download or streaming, but in the case of Crack's sophomore album, it's incredible, because there are no results on Google, 0 to be more precise. However, I will continue to strive to find it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 am 
 

Alright, Muhammadabbadabba provided us with the full album.
Perfectly fine, metal-wise.
Band stays
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Witcher wrote:
The Pisces: Starts as groove meta, but quickly turns into nu-metal/industrial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR5YPyc9LHc

Witcher wrote:

Both nuked.
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Why was Compression accepted? They sound pretty hardcore to me: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... /show/mine
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Regarding Compression: Here is their official Bandcamp with samples:
https://compression.bandcamp.com/

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Witcher wrote:
Global Infected (GEr): They first two albums are purely modern hardcore and their third album is imo hardcore based metalcre, whichis overfilled with jumpy breakdowns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIvbW3v ... 3xpgmAbevX
http://www.rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=372716

This was approved only in January, by a moderator I generally trust to draw the line for these things.

Witcher wrote:
Pin-Up Went Down (Fra)- The band plays mixture of avat-garde rock, funk,jazz, disco, soul, trance and other geres with only minimal metal influences. Their style can be compared to Mike Patton's most alternative/avant-garde rock projects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJc1X-i ... FncWIocgle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mEBHqy39Eg
https://pinupwentdown.bandcamp.com/

I have been listening to this band on and off over the past few weeks and I'm just not sure about it. I don't think it's obviously deletable, but I find it hard to concentrate.

Necrodictator wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Aeternum_Malleficium/The_Sons_of_the_Sun/792646
Darkwave/ambient or something like that. Second track is in the same style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBjpIGN-Bs

Deleted. It appears due to lack of samples back then this was accepted in good faith based on an interview and a related band's sound.
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Witcher wrote:
Dead Ballerinas (Ger):
The band played glam/hard rock, not heavy metal.

Removed.

ThStealthP wrote:
Genius Hired Guns (USA):
The debut album only sounds like alternative rock, not as alternative metal and hard rock.

Removed.

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Removed Factory (UK), melodic hard rock.

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Krister Jensen wrote:

ThStealthP wrote:
Genius Hired Guns (USA):
The debut album only sounds like alternative rock, not as alternative metal and hard rock.

Removed.


Thank you very much, my friend.

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There was someone told me, a mod to be more specific, that there are 2 bands of the large unnecessary list that I published a long time ago, that sound potentially nukeable, which are these:

Amora Savant (USA): Metalcore predominantly core:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... eUQc8SzUmM

A Crow's Glory (Canada): Straight-up hardcore instead of metalcore:
https://acrowsglory.bandcamp.com/

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About Dead Raven Choir, all the obvious folk/noise/whatever stuff aside, their raw bm/noise material varies in how riffy it actually is. A lot of it sounds more like guitar-driven noise, if you will. A lot of it is just... crap? We're still going through that portion of the discography. I don't want to rush this, considering that it's quite a large entry, also with a lot of reviews.

joecubbie wrote:
I think The Hunt should be reevaluated. The riffs are heavy, but the songs themselves lean more into hard rock territory like Triumph, Y&T, and Santers. If it does make the cut, it's probably as borderline as borderline gets. Here's the album in question for consideration. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCr0-1YKXPc

I'm on it. Will check all three full-lengths.

joecubbie wrote:
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Regarding Tempest (UK): Quite surprisingly , the second song on the ep "Waystin' Time" is a pure NWOBHM song in the style of Smokin' Roadiee, here is a live version of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDt5ZHNZIs


I was looking for a sample of the second track, but couldn't find one. This is definitely NWOBHM. I'm just not sure if one NWOBHM song and a quirky new wave track cuts it. I'll let the mods decide. Thanks for your help.

There's a semi-rule/precedent that for these one-single NWOBHM bands that as long as one of the tracks is metal, it's fine. It's pretty common for these things to have one softer track/ballad and one metal track. So it seems that this is okay to keep.
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Unsurprisingly, the first two The Hunt albums are hard rock. The one linked is riding the line, but the overall vibe I get is a heavy metal one. IMO acceptable, bareliest of barelies.
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Witcher wrote:
ThStealthP wrote:
ThStealthP wrote:

By narrowing down your list I meant this, what I have done above.
Nobody wants you to force the staff your opinion, but generally speaking, if you want someone to ffix a problem, it always helps, if that person knows, what exactly the prolem and its symptoms are.
Full songs of A.Lostfield on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCto0Ku ... 7pcjOebMtA
Regarding Genius Hired Guns: It may be technically aa side project, but if anything looks out of place here on the site , it is this band. Pure alternative rock, not an ounce of metal in it. Besides that, it was released on a small American indie label, so it was available in EEurope only as a n import and it had zero impact on metal community in general. More songs from the only album:
https://www.youtube.com/user/5stringgod



A repost aofof a band list narrowedby me from two pages back. Genius Hired Guns were already deleted, but the other bands are also really ¨problematic in my opinion.

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Children Of Gaia: modern hardcore based metalcore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTvxuxqxls

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:15 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/14-22/3540278767

Why was 14-22 accepted? Their only release was that full-length listed there, but I couldn't find a single song or sampler anywhere in the web, and apparently the only place that mentions that album is Wikipedia in Spanish and some random pages related to metal, but nothing else.

Did the submitter of the band provide samplers and/or an image of the CD back then?
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Presumably yes, it's a rather old entry, so the submission notes are gone.
It was also mentioned in this biography: https://web.archive.org/web/20070803182 ... /cenci.htm
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Azmodes wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the first two The Hunt albums are hard rock. The one linked is riding the line, but the overall vibe I get is a heavy metal one. IMO acceptable, bareliest of barelies.

Good decision! I'd compare them to The Rods, not the sharpest riffing but definitely metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:11 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
About Dead Raven Choir, all the obvious folk/noise/whatever stuff aside, their raw bm/noise material varies in how riffy it actually is. A lot of it sounds more like guitar-driven noise, if you will. A lot of it is just... crap? We're still going through that portion of the discography. I don't want to rush this, considering that it's quite a large entry, also with a lot of reviews.

We'll keep it. Based on Grand Ravishing Extravaganza, possibly some others too.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:21 pm 
 

ThStealthP wrote:
There was someone told me, a mod to be more specific, that there are 2 bands of the large unnecessary list that I published a long time ago, that sound potentially nukeable, which are these:

Amora Savant (USA): Metalcore predominantly core:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... eUQc8SzUmM

A Crow's Glory (Canada): Straight-up hardcore instead of metalcore:
https://acrowsglory.bandcamp.com/

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I was the one who approved them, still sounds okay to me.

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hm, leaning towards it being borderline acceptable alt/groove metal. Debatable, I suppose, really knuckle-dragging stuff...

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Children Of Gaia: modern hardcore based metalcore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTvxuxqxls

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Anything that hasn't yet been addressed up until this post can be bumped in the interest of clarity.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:37 pm 
 

Deznuke (Costa Rica): Hardcore in Spanish until now:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Deznuke/118611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k5eQuFzXEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdPqFUqYGXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3mjv9bv7rw


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