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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 11:38 am 
 

Witcher wrote:

Borderline as these things usually are, but sounds riffy enough, tbh. No offense, but it might be better if you stopped bringing up RAC/hatecore stuff in here, since so far it's evident that there's a fundamental disagreement as to what's acceptable.

Witcher wrote:
Wanastowi vjecy [..]

They were submitted and approved (two mods agreed, one of them me) based on their debut album.

Witcher wrote:
Fist - This Canadian band does not play heavy metal imo, but hard rock, which is similar to other Canadian bands such Triumph or Lee Aaron.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fist/23992
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJSZj3 ... o5zkmhn4OQ
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5pvU9aeDX7hrNlNXftxD8v
https://heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/band ... ndNum=3731

Nine full-lengths to check, I'll look into it.

BuriedUnborn wrote:
Why was War Dance accepted? I'm listening to their full-length right now and it's punk rock, not thrash. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/War_Dance/50833

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_GQuIUZHN0

Did the band get accepted based on their demos? Because there's no signs of thrash in their album.

I would agree based on the album, but as Witcher observed, the first demo sounds like acceptable crossover thrash. Inclined to keep them based on that, but the genre will definitely need to be changed.


I'm still in the process of catching up with the backlog, so don't start bumping stuff just yet...
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 12:26 pm 
 

Thanks for the reply, azmodes. Regarding Wanastowi Vjecy,I understand, that they were accepted baed on their debut album, but I tried to explained to you,how the band is ppperceived. Actually, the debut albumis the reason, why the band is considered a punkbandd, since their other albm wre not very punk in style - they were hard rock in the style of Guns'N'Roses and later on alternative hard rock with a bit of grunge. By the links I wanted to dedemonstrate to you, how the band is pperceived in the Czech rock and metal scene. Nobody, I reapt , nobody, would think of them as a heavy metal band. OOf course, you can say, that the database has the right for its own assession of bands, reregardless of what the journalists and music fans think. But when the disproportin with the opinion of the whole Czech music scene (I hav demonstrated, that it is not only my personal opinion), is so radicallly different, it should make you tkthink just a bit, doesn't it. I am aware , that I can't do much at the moment, but I hope, that you may at least rrethink this decision with time.
Here's another Czech review of their debut, to demonstrate to you, that it is not only my personal opinion, but ththe dominating opinion on the Czech music scene:
http://www.czechblade.cz/clanek/441/har ... slovensko/

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 7:32 am 
 

Witcher wrote:

Some early metal in this, but overall the rock seems to dominate. Deleted. I wonder if I should check the successor band too...

Azmodes wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Fist - This Canadian band does not play heavy metal imo, but hard rock, which is similar to other Canadian bands such Triumph or Lee Aaron.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fist/23992
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJSZj3 ... o5zkmhn4OQ
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5pvU9aeDX7hrNlNXftxD8v
https://heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/band ... ndNum=3731

Nine full-lengths to check, I'll look into it.

So I sampled what I could find, which would be the first coupla albums in their entirety and some songs from the rest. Everything was either hard rock or mostly hard rock. Will delete.
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TheGrimWombat wrote:
I'm very surprised https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A. ... 3540465985 made the cut. I've listened to all of their releases multiple times and every time it sounds like nu-metal to me.

Agreed, but I'll talk to the mod who approved it first. EDIT: Toast.

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Deleted Spetälsk from Sweden, the album is the exact same tracks from Drama's (Russia) album Winds Choir Opera, with them just in a different order. Not even plagiarized, but Drama's literal recordings.
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Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
I'm going to second the petition for Break Point's removal. Elephants has maybe two tracks that are indisputably Metal. The rest is a mix of AOR, Hard Rock and even stuff that's faintly Disco/Synthpop in places.

Maniacs makes a stronger case for their inclusion, but even then, only five or six tracks could be considered Metal. The rest is pure AOR ballads. If it stays in, it's going to rank as Metal-Archives's most barely Metal album.

Required Fields wrote:
I listened to most of the second Break Point album (Maniacs) this afternoon, after only heard a snippet or two prior.

Yes, it's a bit harder than the debut, but still predominantly AOR.

Agreed, deleted. Now to hopefully never having to listen to this piece of shit band again.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:28 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
TheGrimWombat wrote:
I'm very surprised https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A. ... 3540465985 made the cut. I've listened to all of their releases multiple times and every time it sounds like nu-metal to me.

Agreed, but I'll talk to the mod who approved it first. EDIT: Toast.


Good to known I'm not losing it.

I'm looking forward to what you think about Yajaira and Hielo Negro.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:38 pm 
 

Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Deleted Spetälsk from Sweden, the album is the exact same tracks from Drama's (Russia) album Winds Choir Opera, with them just in a different order. Not even plagiarized, but Drama's literal recordings.

1) WTF?
2) The info here needs to be changed. I'd suggest to write a sentence concerning the now nuked Spetälsk. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Spetälsk/7951

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 1:39 pm 
 

Sign (Ger):
Both albums are predominantly hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNlBmcp ... zwctG5iXpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSuaDWkNQb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHB-gJ1LYCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LfkEY0L8QY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti9eauLSRx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFcEErDvNlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-2nIkE8FHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apxq_-6_2pA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEkifxBFh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nihE5kiXUgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yka2cPiyN2U
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sign/30325

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 2:35 pm 
 

Removed Suicidal Solitude (Slovakia). Plagiarized music from at least 4 bands:
1. "Under the Waves" from Misery Life (EP) is "Истоки" by Självmord (Rus, not listed on MA)
2. "V tvojom objati" from Where Is My Soul? is "Untitled 2" by Висельник
3. "Noc smútku" from Where Is My Soul? is "Untitled 4" by Висельник
4. "Slow Decay" from Misery Life (EP) is "Between Light and Lies" by And End...
5. "Years of Suffering" from Haven of Solitude split is "Part 1" by Inhale
6. "Haven of Solitude" Haven of Solitude split is "Part 6" by Inhale

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Removed:
AnaDies (USA), alternative/gothic rock
Ellsbeth (USA), alternative rock

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Deleted The Bones of God (Australia) just added by me. According to their Facebook page, the release should be a five-track EP. The current EP on their Bandcamp has only two tracks.

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Needs reassessment.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Small/41609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlVZTDpK3o
The video title says it all. I don't think this is acceptable groove.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:58 pm 
 

Antioch wrote:
Needs reassessment.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Small/41609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlVZTDpK3o
The video title says it all. I don't think this is acceptable groove.

System Of A Down? I support the petition for the removal of the band , too. Ththe Discogs.com page is also brutally honest about their style:
https://www.discogs.com/Small--No-Power ... e/13811163
P.s. Old school nu-metal is an intrsting oxymoron, equal to old school new wave bands.

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Antioch wrote:
Needs reassessment.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Small/41609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlVZTDpK3o
The video title says it all. I don't think this is acceptable groove.

Eww, gone.
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:41 am 
 

In December of 2016, I petitioned for Sledge Hammer / 鐵槌 on account of their album 日本狼 / Wolves of Japan but was denied by Metantoine and OpsiusCato who both deemed the album Heavy Rock'n'Roll with some thrashy riffs and Lemmy-esque vocals. Earlier this year, Witcher was able to get them accepted. What's more is the band doesn't appear to have a thread in the appeals board.

Not upset, but curious as to what made you change your mind.
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^This may provide some answers, M.
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Witcher wrote:

Deleted.

Grimmy, I'll try and get those two stoner bands sorted out soon.
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Azmodes wrote:
Grimmy, I'll try and get those two stoner bands sorted out soon.


Thanks, bud.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:02 am 
 

Lazy (Swe): Their only album "Creature" is predominantly hard rock in style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Ube370kWo
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lazy/46011

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 4:51 am 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
Okay, as much as I like having the info here. I really don't think that Yajaira is a metal band, and I've thought about this a lot, and I do feel this is predominantly stoner rock. (https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Yajaira/106752)

Albums for re-evaluation:
Yajaira: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsyqn69fr-4
Lento y real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsyqn69fr-4
La ira de Dios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utCm4KNCYbY
Desolazion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1sIZnv3rs
Vuelve a arder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSq6recUCx0
Antiguos demonios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCfoGi2zSh0
Post Tenebras Lux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETAOuM90AQw

I went through their disco, except for the last one. Was close to nuking them, but at least Vuelve a arder seems heavy enough? Overall more abrasive and -more importantly- doomier and chunkier when it comes to the riffs than the rest.
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Azmodes wrote:
TheGrimWombat wrote:
Okay, as much as I like having the info here. I really don't think that Yajaira is a metal band, and I've thought about this a lot, and I do feel this is predominantly stoner rock. (https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Yajaira/106752)

Albums for re-evaluation:
Yajaira: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsyqn69fr-4
Lento y real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsyqn69fr-4
La ira de Dios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utCm4KNCYbY
Desolazion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1sIZnv3rs
Vuelve a arder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSq6recUCx0
Antiguos demonios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCfoGi2zSh0
Post Tenebras Lux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETAOuM90AQw

I went through their disco, except for the last one. Was close to nuking them, but at least Vuelve a arder seems heavy enough? Overall more abrasive and -more importantly- doomier and chunkier when it comes to the riffs than the rest.


I would agree it's more abrasive, but I'm not sure I think it's "doomier"; but it's up to you.
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I'll go over it one more time when I check the other band.

Witcher wrote:
No Trouble (Ger):
I own "looking For Trouble " already since 1997, but I have relistened to it and Wtch Out albums recently, and confirmed my suspicion, thet both albums are actually predominantly hard rock with only one heavy metal song on each album, namely "Looking for Trouble" on Looking For Troubl and Rock'N'Roll heart on Watch Out. The rest is mainly hard rock , which sslightly remains of The Scorpions on their more commercial , hard rock albums. Just listen to those choruses and riffs..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duAfgC4c3Yg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPy-CYkdDw
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No_Trouble/64682

I've talked with another mod about this one and we agree that the first link is acceptable heavy metal.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:29 am 
 

Ronnie Ripper's Private War (SWe): not heavy metal, but punk'n'roll in the style of The Hellacopters, except for the song Thrash Metal, Satanism and Beer:
https://www.reverbnation.com/ronnierippersprivatewar
https://www.youtube.com/user/RonnieRipper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxolkeRd984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCXxg9fZ0w0
Now, this is technicaly a side project, but I don't think , that Turbocharged or this project hahave such a major impact on the metal world as bands like Metallica, Megadeth etc. do.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ro ... 3540297633

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Tarkus (Per): The band plays predominantly psychedelic hard rock. It may have some brief proto-metal parts, but to call it heavy/doom metal is a big stretsch. The band nver reaches the heaviness of Balck sabbath or the aggressivity of Toni Iommi's riffing. The second album is also in similar style to their first one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIVmF4XUXEw
https://open.spotify.com/album/4krMxVr1LagKNIk4sT2oXk
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tarkus/3540418284

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Witcher wrote:
Tarkus (Per)

Yeah... No. This band was assessed originally by five mods including myself, and it was a solid, unaimous yes on them. Tarkus is acceptable and stays, so... Tough shit, Witcher.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 7:19 pm 
 

Even 10 moderators making a jamboree would not make the band sound like real doom metal, but fine, it's your eresponsibility for the site for its good services and informative content, but also for its mistakes. ... Thanks for the fast reply, though.
https://www.discogs.com/Tarkus-Tarkus/release/5523694
https://godrecordsgardenofdreams.bandca ... -1972-peru


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I see why they'd get brought up, but Tarkus are one of the contextual semi-exceptions as a proto-metal act based on their exceptionally heavy and doom metal-esque debut. As OC said, the decision to include them was agreed upon by multiple mods.
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Deleted one of the Necropsys from France - same band as Necropsy from Montpellier.
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Bands with no listed releases are supposed to be removed, correct?

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treewolf7 wrote:
Bands with no listed releases are supposed to be removed, correct?

No.
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What is the policy around them, then, since the rules say that a band must have a valid release to be added to the archives, but there seem to be many bands without any.

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They need to have a valid release, but there are cases where we know a release happened, but there's something missing (usually tracklist and/or release year) that prevents us from adding it to the discography tab. Those should have a note about the release in their additional notes though.
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Iron Fist (Minneapolis): Not only imo, as the article bbelow demostrates, are they primarily a hardcore punk band musically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1EN0ZDnvyc
http://mnpunk.com/?tag=iron-fist
https://heavymetalrarities.com/forum/vi ... 45&t=15181
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:07 am 
 

Torok (USA): Predominantly hard rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkOcfVl ... SbkIXZgj4c
https://www.amazon.com/Binge-Purge-Torok/dp/B000KZO1BY
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:13 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ak ... iscography

Not metal. Not even close. Did you ever listen to the full track? I have the release and have written a review about it. I can send the track to someone.
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PaganiusI
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:19 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Akollonizer/3540362756#band_tab_discography

Not metal. Not even close. Did you ever listen to the full track? I have the release and have written a review about it. I can send the track to someone.

Judging from the submission notes, only 2 of the 6 parts were included.
Feel free to send it my way:
https://www.dropbox.com/request/fGAmJSwqPHSSWdDGthZE
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:31 pm 
 

Thanks for the link. Happy judging.
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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:02 pm 
 

Deleted Mercinari from the US - same band as Mercenari, just misspelled.
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Azmodes
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Deleted Painful Apathy and Nocturno (Col). No valid release.
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