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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:01 am 
 

I don't think Teško Vrijeme entry serves much of a purpose here. The band has since changed the name to Hard Time, which is literally a translation of Teško Vrijeme. The demos they released were mostly promos sent to the labels and they are in the band members' private collection, so they were never really distributed. Also when it comes to the band members, they are mostly referred to as ex-members of Hard Time. So I suggest the removal of this entry and shifting of all the member entries to Hard Time entry since this is basically the same thing as Enkelination/Angel Nation name change.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... eme/104610

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:24 pm 
 

Quorthallis wrote:
I don't think Teško Vrijeme entry serves much of a purpose here. The band has since changed the name to Hard Time, which is literally a translation of Teško Vrijeme. The demos they released were mostly promos sent to the labels and they are in the band members' private collection, so they were never really distributed. Also when it comes to the band members, they are mostly referred to as ex-members of Hard Time. So I suggest the removal of this entry and shifting of all the member entries to Hard Time entry since this is basically the same thing as Enkelination/Angel Nation name change.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... eme/104610


Sorry for replying here, I am not trying to act as a "mini-mod", just giving an opinion about a band I have submitted (Teško Vrijeme). I basically agree with Quorthalis. We have only one entry for Divlje Jagode and Wild Strawberries (the same name in Croatian/Bosnian and English). As much as I remember, there were original songs written for their "Wild Strawberries" album and we have only one entry here. (In the case the site decides to delete the band only on "valid release" rule, I think it would be useful to contact the band first, to check if some of the demos were widely distributed.)

However, I have a small suggestion (and it is the main reason why I am replying here). The help section states the following about the bands that change name:
"If a band changes name, there will be two (or more) entries on the site, provided that they have releases under each name. So if you know of a band that has a new name, please wait until they actually have released something under that name before making a new submission. For example, we have entries for both Kreator and Tormentor, but not one for Tyrant (as they were previously called) because they never released anything under that name.

As of November 2012, you can now link these bands together using the "Years Active" rows in the editing form (more information here).

Please note that bands whose name change isn't significant enough (to be judged by a moderator) won't be added. Example: Dezperadoz, formerly called Desperados, kept the same page."

Maybe a note should be added about translated names, since there are several cases already?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:39 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Storm/3540402619
Why this band got accepted? Only their small 13 min. demo is metal, while their only full-length is pure hard rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojvs144gvBw

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Nightsward
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:42 am 
 

Necrodictator wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Storm/3540402619
Why this band got accepted? Only their small 13 min. demo is metal, while their only full-length is pure hard rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojvs144gvBw


A band only needs one predominantly metal release to be accepted into the archives. Length and/or release type doesn't matter (as long as it's not just a couple singles or something).

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Oheao
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pm 
 

This may not be the exact thread for it, but I'm curious as for Meshuggah. When it says they were accepted based on their early material, what is the cut-off? Is it just Contradictions Collapse? Are None and Destroy Erase Improve considered metal? I always wondered that.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:26 pm 
 

Insurgent (Russsia):
A relatively recent addition, but one YI'm highly wondering about. All the releases prior to the 2015 a are a ixture of rac/hhardcore and as such clearly unacceptabgle and the 2015 album, which was the additin apparently based on, i simo predominanlty hardcore, just as the descriptor in Discoggs.com says. I am aware, that their classification isn't always correct, but in this case I consider it spot on.I do not hear much Pantera/Machine Head style of songs and riffing there, just relatively fast hardcore stuff spiced ith sone groovy breakdowns, which areonly rarely metallic In that aaspect , the band is deninitely closer to bands like Biohazard or Sick fOf It all.
https://www.discogs.com/artist/3593939- ... 0%BD%D1%82
https://www.rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22464
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540466480

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:38 am 
 

Deleted Vanskapt from Sweden. Primarily dark ambient.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:10 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Giant/3540435501 and
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ri ... 3540450095
Should be merged together, as you did for bands with similar name changes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:07 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Scarlet_Sky/119595 what is the deal with this? This looks like a pretty obsolete entry to me. I could barely find any data about this band on the internet and what I managed to find is data that is wastly different from the one entered here. https://blog.dnevnik.hr/scarletsky here Smud is listed as lead guitarist and vocalist, Adrian as rhythm guitarist, Roman as a drummer and Marko as a bassist. Cico and Kruno are nowhere to be found. In 2006, they mentioned they intend to record a demo along with the supposed tracklist yet there is no confirmation that the demo has ever been recorded, let alone released. Also, I have some serious doubts that these guys in fact played thrash metal. They list Metallica, Godsmack, Disturbed and Bullet for My Valentine as their influences, all of whom are mallcore bands except for Metallica. This band also isn't active anymore since many of their members went on to form metalcore band New Level and as we all know New Level is blacklisted from this website. Therefore, I think this band should be removed from the archives unless there is some clear evidence that they actually released a demo and that the same one is actually metal.

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Quorthallis wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Scarlet_Sky/119595 what is the deal with this? This looks like a pretty obsolete entry to me. I could barely find any data about this band on the internet and what I managed to find is data that is wastly different from the one entered here. https://blog.dnevnik.hr/scarletsky here Smud is listed as lead guitarist and vocalist, Adrian as rhythm guitarist, Roman as a drummer and Marko as a bassist. Cico and Kruno are nowhere to be found. In 2006, they mentioned they intend to record a demo along with the supposed tracklist yet there is no confirmation that the demo has ever been recorded, let alone released. Also, I have some serious doubts that these guys in fact played thrash metal. They list Metallica, Godsmack, Disturbed and Bullet for My Valentine as their influences, all of whom are mallcore bands except for Metallica. This band also isn't active anymore since many of their members went on to form metalcore band New Level and as we all know New Level is blacklisted from this website. Therefore, I think this band should be removed from the archives unless there is some clear evidence that they actually released a demo and that the same one is actually metal.


Apparently, the source was their (long gone) MySpace page: https://web.archive.org/web/20090115003 ... ?id=119595

Unfortunately, it is not possible to access the page via WayBack machine.

It would be great if you could contact the members to provide the further info :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:11 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/As ... 3540465843

Why were they accepted? Everything I've heard from them sounds almost exactly the same as Black Magick SS, which is blacklisted.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:06 am 
 

Here's their music:
https://assassinationnow.bandcamp.com/music
Otherwiwise I ststrongly support this request. This is occult rock in the style of The Devil's Blood and BBlack Magik SS.The only black metal element are imo the harsh vocals, which constantly change with the clean ones. Unlike the two bands mentioned, I hear in the sound of this band also early gothic rock bands like Fields Of The Nephilim and The sisters Of Mercy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEeGmcI5MZk
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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:33 am 
 

Lord_Sauron wrote:
Quorthallis wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Scarlet_Sky/119595 what is the deal with this? This looks like a pretty obsolete entry to me. I could barely find any data about this band on the internet and what I managed to find is data that is wastly different from the one entered here. https://blog.dnevnik.hr/scarletsky here Smud is listed as lead guitarist and vocalist, Adrian as rhythm guitarist, Roman as a drummer and Marko as a bassist. Cico and Kruno are nowhere to be found. In 2006, they mentioned they intend to record a demo along with the supposed tracklist yet there is no confirmation that the demo has ever been recorded, let alone released. Also, I have some serious doubts that these guys in fact played thrash metal. They list Metallica, Godsmack, Disturbed and Bullet for My Valentine as their influences, all of whom are mallcore bands except for Metallica. This band also isn't active anymore since many of their members went on to form metalcore band New Level and as we all know New Level is blacklisted from this website. Therefore, I think this band should be removed from the archives unless there is some clear evidence that they actually released a demo and that the same one is actually metal.


Apparently, the source was their (long gone) MySpace page: https://web.archive.org/web/20090115003 ... ?id=119595

Unfortunately, it is not possible to access the page via WayBack machine.

It would be great if you could contact the members to provide the further info :)


I could try to contact them via New Level's Bandcamp, but I can't guarantee any results since New Level hasn't been around for quite a while now. But I will try and see what I can find out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:52 am 
 

Lord_Sauron wrote:
Quorthallis wrote:
I don't think Teško Vrijeme entry serves much of a purpose here. The band has since changed the name to Hard Time, which is literally a translation of Teško Vrijeme. The demos they released were mostly promos sent to the labels and they are in the band members' private collection, so they were never really distributed. Also when it comes to the band members, they are mostly referred to as ex-members of Hard Time. So I suggest the removal of this entry and shifting of all the member entries to Hard Time entry since this is basically the same thing as Enkelination/Angel Nation name change.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... eme/104610


Sorry for replying here, I am not trying to act as a "mini-mod", just giving an opinion about a band I have submitted (Teško Vrijeme). I basically agree with Quorthalis. We have only one entry for Divlje Jagode and Wild Strawberries (the same name in Croatian/Bosnian and English). As much as I remember, there were original songs written for their "Wild Strawberries" album and we have only one entry here. (In the case the site decides to delete the band only on "valid release" rule, I think it would be useful to contact the band first, to check if some of the demos were widely distributed.)

However, I have a small suggestion (and it is the main reason why I am replying here). The help section states the following about the bands that change name:
"If a band changes name, there will be two (or more) entries on the site, provided that they have releases under each name. So if you know of a band that has a new name, please wait until they actually have released something under that name before making a new submission. For example, we have entries for both Kreator and Tormentor, but not one for Tyrant (as they were previously called) because they never released anything under that name.

As of November 2012, you can now link these bands together using the "Years Active" rows in the editing form (more information here).

Please note that bands whose name change isn't significant enough (to be judged by a moderator) won't be added. Example: Dezperadoz, formerly called Desperados, kept the same page."

Maybe a note should be added about translated names, since there are several cases already?

Merged.

I agree that it couldn't hurt to go into a bit more detail as to which cases would merit a new page. It's tricky to come up with versatile guidelines for this particular issue, but mere translations generally do not qualify (if there are no other aspects to consider). I'll make a note to write something up.

GraveWish wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Giant/3540435501 and
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ri ... 3540450095
Should be merged together, as you did for bands with similar name changes.

Merged.
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VintermaneOfficial wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Assassination/3540465843

Why were they accepted? Everything I've heard from them sounds almost exactly the same as Black Magick SS, which is blacklisted.

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First entry:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C3%89p%C3%A9istes/3540466161

second entry:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C3%89p%C3%A9istes/3540471033

The second, the one by Metantoine should go. Or is there a difference that I am not getting? Release is identical, expect for the release type.
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oneyoudontknow wrote:
First entry:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C3%89p%C3%A9istes/3540466161

second entry:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C3%89p%C3%A9istes/3540471033

The second, the one by Metantoine should go. Or is there a difference that I am not getting? Release is identical, expect for the release type.

Uh that's weird, I searched for it before adding it and got no results and got no warnings when I added it. My bad, I guess. I fixed it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:54 am 
 

Mammoth (UK) - hard rock
https://open.spotify.com/artist/4w7FvYz ... oplay=true
https://www.discogs.com/artist/365498-Mammoth-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvH8Fev5noA
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:45 am 
 

what's the deal with Dark Valley? 3 singles released all in all, including an acoustic track and a jinjer cover...

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540470373
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aloof wrote:
what's the deal with Dark Valley? 3 singles released all in all, including an acoustic track and a jinjer cover...

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540470373


Three mods agreed that Dark Valley was an exception to the no-singles rule, given the presence of high-quality artwork for two out of three releases and the fact that one of them had ten minutes of material. I wasn't involved in evaluating the band, but I assume the music also sounded reasonably professionally produced as well.

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wow, thanks :)

not trolling the jinjer camp, then... :D
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https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ra ... 3540451789

Their only song I could find:
https://soundcloud.com/suprememasterofa ... to-victory

It sounds extremely similar (if not completely identical) to this track:
https://soyuzband.bandcamp.com/track/th ... -strongest

Are Raskulachivanie and Soyuz the same band under different names, and if yes, should their pages be merged?

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O Oráculo de Asaradel - deleted for not having VR
Oráculo revived, because they released the demo that was supposed to be released under the O Oráculo de Asaradel moniker.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:23 am 
 

Dead end (Ger)- predominanly hardcore based deathcore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7YNVwZ ... pp=desktop
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540275165
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Canedy, Bordonaro, Feinstein & Caudle (USA)- EsseEsentially , a project of The Rods members with a new singer. But the style on the album is very far from The Rods style imo, iinstead it has a glam/hard rock style of the Hollywood scene, which is hinted at in the album title, and not heavy metal:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... i3qzbyp7HY
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ca ... dle/110145

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As much as I like Jinrai [仁籟], I gotta ask how they got accepted. I always had them pegged for a mix of faintly metallic Oi! and Melodic Hardcore / Skate Punk with even Alternative or Pop Punk hooks here and there.
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I listened to the 2006 album and heard enough heavy metal to sign off on it, another mod was okay with it too. But I've been in the band queue all day today, so maybe I'm starting to hear things. :nods:
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And now, Strong Style got accepted? What release was Metal? They're consistently Punk/Oi! in my opinion.
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Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
And now, Strong Style got accepted? What release was Metal? They're consistently Punk/Oi! in my opinion.

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Yeah, added based on the debut album mostly.
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Deleted Noktuhrn from the US. Confirmed case of at least one track being stolen from Bergrizen. ""Coincidentally"", the bandcamp was taken down shortly after being called out for it.
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Deleted Decomposed from Brazil. Same band as Decomposed God, but an insignificant name change by our standards.

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https://open.spotify.com/artist/74fLuwIP7zlN0XDPsqw5aI


This is considered heavy metal now? If it's gonna stay, can we at least add a "hard rock" tag to the genre label?
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TheGrimWombat wrote:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/74fLuwIP7zlN0XDPsqw5aI


This is considered heavy metal now? If it's gonna stay, can we at least add a "hard rock" tag to the genre label?

Sounded fine to me then, still does now. Not even sure a rock tag is required. I asked another mod and got a +1.
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Deleted Blackness (USA), same band as Blackness (BLR).

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Witcher wrote:

hmmmm, it's pretty iffy, but after asking another mod to have a listen too the consensus (so far) is that it passes.
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Endless Pride (Swe):
The album Fuck The Media Lies, upon wihich it was accepted, has only tthree real thrash metal songs, the rest is rac , ballads and one hardcore song:
https://ulozto.cz/file/pZGPVyDfL/endles ... lfhoos-rar
https://www.rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=429
http://88nsm.com/9650-endless-pride-dis ... -2012.html
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ThStealthK
Rare Earth Metal

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:29 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:

Unfortunately the case, the download link on RAC-forum and 88nsm is only for premium users. Uloztoz is only on Czech apparently, apart from that, the page can be complicated / tangled and even blocked by the authorities from a country. And not everyone have Spotify. So all that said, I decided to re-upload the album to Mediafire:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z7g8mfg1h ... s.rar/file
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Last edited by ThStealthK on Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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