7th Heaven - should definitely be deleted.
Mentally Damaged - the album at that YouTube link definitely isn't metal. According to reviews of their '88 demo in Blackthorn #7 and Metal Warriors #6 zines they were playing speed/thrash metal when they first started.

You probably need to add this to the band's page then, and modify the genre tag. Until someone can find samples from the '88 demo because the other releases are definetly not metal.

Temporarily took care of the genre tag and notes for M.D. Wouldn't be opposed to having them deleted based on the album, though.

Ive noticed before that the site has neglected to accept a number of poorly produced "slam" bands for their over-use of samples and just generally having short releases with little to no care for the mix, so I want to ask why is this on here? https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sl ... 3540480697

It's four songs wherein half the playtime is samples and the music itself is absolutely awfully put together in terms of sound quality. Don't these things still matter (especially the fact that the sample lengths are atrociously long)? https://slamphetamine.bandcamp.com/releases
If there is still quality control for stuff like that, then this should most likely get the boot.

Update on this?

Sounds like -core that needs to go.

I'll get to it in due time, Obscurum.


Deleted:

Knightshade
Iron Rain
Kidd Blue

All rock or more rock than metal.

Deleted.

And it's gone.


Gone.


I think this is fine under the more recent, more forgiving guidelines on digital releases. Not the most incandescent example of an acceptable band, but predominantly metal and with a coherent release.

Mandrake Garden (Australia): Hard rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... rden/46611
https://www.mediafire.com/file/w6nz5lqm ... e+(Full+EP).flac/file

Mary Rose (Slovenia): Hard rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mary_Rose/39536
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... mTfAXxZh4Z
https://www.youtube.com/user/boter62/videos
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... zuvMuA-Mby

M.A.S.H. - Slovenia - hard rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnLOs1JCcEU&t=1477s
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/M.A.S.H./39540

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Le ... 3540481802 - Leprosys is the same band as
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leprosy/3540457586 with a minor name change.

Leprosys deleted.

Deleted.


Some metal in this, but yeah, agreed.


Deleted.

Gibraltar - melodic hard rock, similar to the already deleted bands Kidd Blue and Lynzee.
https://indavideo.hu/video/Gibraltar_-_ ... Full_Album
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gi ... 3540464550

Noitawaimo (Finland): Hard rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Noitawaimo/46620
https://www.mediafire.com/file/2skmmafq ... 0.rar/file

Bloodclot (USA): https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540257032

The first album has its groove/thrash moments, but hardcore chug riffs seem to be the predominant focus. The second album is pure hardcore. Perhaps they'd remain on here as a side project of Cro-Mags frontman John Joseph, but musically I don't think they make the cut.

Burn Babylon Burn!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYZlxDyJ0A
Up in Arms: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... svojWpIN1k

When we are at the Cro-Mags related bands, Whit Devil are imo predominantly hardcore punk with only minimal crossover influences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOnOs7aTc_I
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/White_Devil/104203

Deleted.


Some early metalisms here, but yeah. Deleted.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Xaal/843

Prog/jazz-rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cub4qtXJhm0

Damn. I've been around here for ten years and never have I thought of looking the band up on the Archives.

All I can add is that their second album - listed as an EP here - is heavier and has a thicker guitar tone but still not remotely metal.

I never knew they were here because I don't understand how anyone could confuse their music for metal.

Holy fucking hell. Well, 18+ years oversight rectified...

NZZN (Portugal): Hard rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/NZZN/35776
https://www.mediafire.com/file/qrmem0ux ... e.mp3/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/kq6m4o72 ... e.mp3/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/65du9623 ... ZZN+Vem+Daí.mp3/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/mpcwgle0 ... r.mp3/file
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cudDlzPJY

Pole Position (Sweden): Hard rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Po ... tion/51002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRk5StVRz8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HElWgni0Bgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKiNoaScOFk
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1mimy09u ... B.rar/file

Random (Germany): Predominantly hard rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Random/104632
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... 94xP0czCyY
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... -FZ9pDVdnY
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... VlSL6MUUIA
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... UtaQTWS4WU

Dizziness - Typical Swedish eighties hard rock in the style of Europe and Treat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9stWdW0hUY
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Di ... 3540283062

Deleted Vitlechkeit (Ukraine). Duplicate entry of the Norwegian band (the correct spelling: Vintlechkeit ) that are already in the database.

Agreed, deleted.

Extra opinion on the bands in question-

Should be deleted: White Devil, Pole Position, BraveHeart (https://braveheart.bandcamp.com/album/d ... my-heart-2). Disciples of Verity (for some reason had felt a little more forgiving about them on the second listen, but after trying a third time, chugga riffs run rampant, and at their best moments they sound like Soundgarden's most watered-down moments.(https://disciplesofverity.bandcamp.com/ ... c-sanction), Guiltily the Pain (core. 2 songs to stream here, full album link a few posts down - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... he+pain%22).
This "band" should probably be deleted, too. The only update they've had over the last decade was to get the New York band's logo taken off their page. A little bit more detail is in this report: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 1/show/all

Indifferent: Mentally Damaged (album is not metal, first demo supposedly speed/thrash based on reviews. Depends on how much weight is put on the album, the bulk of their discography), NZZN (probably influential and heavy for the time, comes off as hard rock)

Should stay: Dizziness (Swe) ("On the Rocks" is more commercial (not officially part of their discography until 2013), but the demo and 7" are comparable to 220 Volt, Madison, early Swedish metal sound), Random (Ger)

Deleted Nudge (US) based on 1995 demo (progressive rock/fusion). They also had a 1994 demo - posted in research thread to try to find these tracks in case they were playing a different style at that time.

Deleted God (Swe). They released one demo under this name before a minor name change to God B.C. Similar to the recent deletion of Sacrilege, where their one demo release was moved to the Sacrilege B.C. page.

Guiltily The Pain (Ger) - hardcore punk based girndcore, to it comes, that the ttransitons between the fast parts are filled with quite modern slammed down hardcore breakdowns. It often sounds like Sytem Of A Down trying to play grindcore.
http://88nsm.com/2089-guiltily-the-pain ... -2007.html
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3809

Witcher, you often suggest to delete bands that are more Metal than your own submissions... White Devil is fine. One track is Bad Religion-style Punk Rock but the rest of the EP is Crossover Thrash. 90s groovy Crossover Thrash. Just because a Crossover band isn't a DRI clone it doesn't mean it's unacceptable.

I must maintain my position, this is nineties hardcore, maybe groove, but sttill hardcore, different from the Cro-Mags crossover stuff. Kig Spooky also seem to share my view, so I am waiting for Azmodes to decide
The White Devil album is similr to the first two Harley's War albums, also hardcore pun
https://www.discogs.com/White-Devil-Rei ... e/1322626k. .

This is NOT "I get to choose which mod solves my requests" day. You don't get to disregard nor to overrule my response just because you don't like it.

This is the second time I give you a negative response on a deletion and you just brush off my answer in less that a year. I DO NOT take kindly to that attitude.

I'll tell you something, Witcher. Remember back when you used to be the most rude, bad-mannered, impolite, prepotent, disrespectful, harsh and disagreeable moderator in the staff, and treated all the users with contempt in this very same forum? Alright, now let's pretend for a moment you are still that moderator, and I am the user that's telling you for the second time in less than a year "I don't like your answer so I'm just gonna ignore you, and I want another moderator to do as I request"... How would YOU react, Witcher? Please do enlighten me. How would you react?

I'm sure your reaction wouldn't be near as calm as mine, not by far.

Now, you DON'T want me to go "Full Witcher" on you, like you used to with all users for way less. So pretty please, with sugar on top, show some respect and don't brush off my responses just because you don't like them.

As an extra note, Az was precisely who asked me to take care of this. And since you brought them up, those Harley's War albums were assessed by Derigin and me back when they came out, just like Harley Flanagan's solo releases, and they were found acceptable. So don't even bother.

Consider this matter closed, and for the last time, don't you ever disregard nor brush off my responses again.

first of all, I did not aask you for the review of this band, I was waiting ffor AYou came here without an explantion, with a set of very impertinent personal remarks ksI ahve all the right to disagree with your decison, eespcially, when another moderator showed support for my vies, and vvoice it. here. That was all, there were not personal attacks ffrom my side. As I did not know, that Azmodes sent you here, that more was I surpised and naturally asked about him.That seemingly .provoked antother wave of ppersonal insults form you ide.You were not around, when I was a moderator, so I do not ud, when you even dadarto bring it up here? If anything, I have accustoned myself to the harsh way , that uninformed users and people , who showed basic disrespect towards deWritten rules. So now I am the rudest and most vulgar moderator ever? It seems that a large part of the staff, yourself apparently includedhave spend their time by bad mouthing me and creating urban legend , d e I have mentioned the first tow Harley's War albums as and example of hardcore punk, the third one is acceptable crossover thrash. You must have quite a huge ego, when a simple disagreement with your decision hurts your feelings.The amount of personal bias, hatred and high nosed manners, which every answer from brings, makes is very hard for me. II still don't agree with you , but if Azmodes agree with this solution, so be itButBut I would suggest you to avoid me on the forum, as I will do the same. I woI nI don't need to be nentorized by someone almost half my age. I can't respect your opinoons, because I see behind them your whole person, self-ccenttered and hypoccritical. At l At least, this debate clearly shows, whstarted to bring his personal grudges and ad hominem attacks into play oI have simply said, that I don't agree with your opinoon and want Azmodes to decide as in many cases before. I have also mentoned some argument.But you apparently see it as a damage to your moderator's majestate and startwith personal insults and pseudo-moralizingI I have a right to show my disagreement as anyone else and not just because of I am a former moderator , but because of my listening experinece since I was twelve, my record collection and my huge stack of metal magazines and fanzines
II have a a right to disagree and voice my opinion as an independent thinking being, confident of his kowledge and experience.

BY the way, I users proposed a band , which was blatantly not metal, I have always deleted it or serously considered its deltion, even if it was a band accepted by me, submitted by me or a band I liked personally. The old thread emonstrates that.
And if an user aked for an ioopinion of aanother moderator, I either told his straight, if it was a dfamos band, that he can, but he will get most porbably the same answer as from me. .

As a closing note, I msut repeat, my response was strictgly factual, without any personal remarks.

Alright, let's tackle this bad boy bit by bit.
And you don't have nor need to. You were once a staffer, so you know that this position allows us to take care of stuff in the S&C forum just as fine as in the site.
I'm doing my job, kiddo. I don't need to ask for your clearance to check out bands in this thread or anywhere else.
My statement was just that, a statement of a truth. Making an observation about a tendency someone has is everything but an attack.
Yes. You can disagree, but just leave it at that. What you don't have is the right to is to run to mommy every time daddy said no, kiddo. Which is exactly what you did here.
It's not an insult when it's the truth, kiddo.
Oh, but I was, Witcher. But I was. I actually was modded some months prior to your disappearance. And I witnessed the way you worked and treated the userbase from both sides of the fence. I know what I'm talking about.
It's not a contest. And you don't want it to be a contest. There's no medals or anything.
You REALLY have a very selective memory, don't you? It's not bad mouthing when it's the truth. It's not an urban legend when there's years upon years of written proof about certain, shall we say, "Witchery" attitudes towards users. You really can't tell me with a straight face that you were the nicest, most approchable and amicable person in the staff. Ask literally ANYONE who was around since those days and they will agree with me.
ROFLMFAO. Look who's talking, Snappy McSnapperson.
It's not as much personal bias as it is knowing the character. And no one hates you either. I do find it so ironic you're using "high nosed manners" to describe someone. But that's about it.
Again, and pretty please with sugar on top, get this into your head already: This is NOT "I get to choose which mod solves my requests" day. That day doesn't exist. Whoever is able and interested to solve your inquiries at any given time, will do so. There's thirty-six of us moderators, and you don't get to pick which one is your own private janitor.
You're barely ten years older than me, kiddo.
Now that's the Witcher Attitude® we're all familiar with. Openly stating a willfull lack of respect toward others, while demanding aloud to be respected.
Again, you don't get to decide who solves your inquiries. All of us staffers can and will solve any inquiry at any given time, yours included. I can't stress this enough.
Again, the irony. Like I said, your reaction wasn't gonna be nearly as calm as mine. And it wasn't. Best part? If the roles were reversed, you'd be already demanding I was banned from the site and forum for the heinous crime of disrespecting your position and status.
Let's not get into that argument, for it might backfire on you using simple math, kiddo.
Don't take it the wrong way kiddo, but your track when it comes to borderline bands isn't precisely stellar. I'm sure you have your strengths, but let's face it, borderline bands are not. Hence the statement of "you often suggest to delete bands that are more Metal than your own submissions", which is not inaccurate. There's no need to react as if someone spat in your granny's grave.
As a closing note, I must repeat, don't you ever disregard nor brush off my responses again. Nor mine, or any other staffer's. We've been more than tolerant and understanding with you already so cut it with the attitude.

With all due respect to Storm Corrosion, they have nothing to do here.

Yet bands like Killing Joke aren't here. Bollocks !