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Helvede
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:11 am 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
helvede wrote:
Don't know who said that and for what reason, but I would not agree. If Destroy...had been the first, they could still be accepted under the same genre-tag they have now.

Okay, I found out what it was - EntilZha said it, and Witcher vaguely agreed.


Well, both of them must answer for their opinions themselves.

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Rob1
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:55 pm 
 

necrobutcher08 wrote:
I will be glad if a moderator would answer my question.

Why is Profane Grace in the archives.. The genre mentioned is Dark Ambient and as far as I know that;s enough to be called Metal..

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Profane_Grace/38707

I don't think side-project rule applies here.

Since Drathul (Chad Davis) is in several other bands that ARE metal I do think that the side-project rule might be viable here. Of course I am not a mod so don't use me as a reference. On the other hand it seems as though Profane Grace is one of his first bands so in that respect it will be impossible to count this as a side project.
Tricky one this one!

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:53 pm 
 

Rob1 wrote:
necrobutcher08 wrote:
I will be glad if a moderator would answer my question.

Why is Profane Grace in the archives.. The genre mentioned is Dark Ambient and as far as I know that;s enough to be called Metal..

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Profane_Grace/38707

I don't think side-project rule applies here.

Since Drathul (Chad Davis) is in several other bands that ARE metal I do think that the side-project rule might be viable here. Of course I am not a mod so don't use me as a reference. On the other hand it seems as though Profane Grace is one of his first bands so in that respect it will be impossible to count this as a side project.
Tricky one this one!

Actually Profane Grace is a side project of Ixithra, not Drathrul. If anybody can prove that none of the albums was released on a label with worldwide distribution, then it might get deleted.

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Rob1
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:29 am 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
Actually Profane Grace is a side project of Ixithra, not Drathrul. If anybody can prove that none of the albums was released on a label with worldwide distribution, then it might get deleted.

My comment was meant in the vein of: if you did some research before posting you might find you shouldn't have posted at all!

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Jakko
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:19 pm 
 

Jakko wrote:
Black Bible http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Bible/42678
= same as Black Bile http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Bible/15786

Black Bile seems to be the correct name


I know your busy ;) but with the discussion my post was forgotten :)

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:49 pm 
 

Jakko wrote:
Jakko wrote:
Black Bible http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Bible/42678
= same as Black Bile http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Bible/15786

Black Bile seems to be the correct name


I know your busy ;) but with the discussion my post was forgotten :)

Seems like another mod already took care of that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:40 am 
 

helvede wrote:
MalignantThrone wrote:
p=1552771#p1552771]EntilZha said it[/url], and Witcher vaguely agreed.


Well, both of them must answer for their opinions themselves.

It's not an "opinion" that later Meshuggah lacks any sort of metal riffing, it's a fact. Just listen to the music and all you'll hear is rhythmic chugging akin to the modern hardcore subgenres of rock'n'roll music, not the driving riffing of any metal genre.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:04 am 
 

Deleted Deviate Damaen. Darkwave.
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Zorg85
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:36 am 
 

Shouldn"t Oracle (USA) be deleted?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oracle/1652

Their album is only a rerelease (with new cover and label, Massacre Records) of the demo released as Prodigy

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:34 am 
 

Zorg85 wrote:
Shouldn"t Oracle (USA) be deleted?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oracle/1652

Their album is only a rerelease (with new cover and label, Massacre Records) of the demo released as Prodigy

Yes, deleted. The original tracklist of the demo is also a bit different from the re-release, but apart from that it's the same album. I added notes and such.
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failsafeman
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:53 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Zorg85 wrote:
Shouldn"t Oracle (USA) be deleted?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oracle/1652

Their album is only a rerelease (with new cover and label, Massacre Records) of the demo released as Prodigy

Yes, deleted. The original tracklist of the demo is also a bit different from the re-release, but apart from that it's the same album. I added notes and such.

So why exactly was Oracle deleted and not Prodigy? They changed their name legitimately as far as I know, and they seem much better known under the Oracle name, and also when you deleted Oracle you deleted the only reviews for the album.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:02 pm 
 

failsafeman wrote:
So why exactly was Oracle deleted and not Prodigy? They changed their name legitimately as far as I know, and they seem much better known under the Oracle name, and also when you deleted Oracle you deleted the only reviews for the album.

I was under the impression that the name/entry under which an album was originally released takes precedence and if a band hasn't released anything under the other name that it should only be mentioned in a note concerning the re-release(s) under the later moniker. If renown and such should sometimes come into the equation, then I can only say that I didn't know that and apologize.

Regarding the reviews, I told both users to resubmit them for the new entry (and saved them on my hard drive, just in case).
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IvoxAngelripper
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:15 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hag ... dance/5108

Not metal, and it's no side project of an actual metal musician
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Dexter
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:56 am 
 

IvoxAngelripper wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hagalaz'_Runedance/5108

Not metal, and it's no side project of an actual metal musician

Someone cleared the legacy lineup without adding the former members and/or they were guest musicians in the band's albums: http://v1.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5108

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:47 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ini ... 3540331779

I laughed a lot when i saw this here. It really has no place to be here, all they do is remix songs from Romanian gypsy/pop music or "manele" singer Denisa, so it's a cover band...

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:22 pm 
 

dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Inim%C4%83_S%C4%83lbatic%C4%83/3540331779

I laughed a lot when i saw this here. It really has no place to be here, all they do is remix songs from Romanian gypsy/pop music or "manele" singer Denisa, so it's a cover band...

Weird band. It's not cover band.
They used only vocals as far I know.
Music is strictly metal and new.
I asked about this band another mods before I've added it.
I also heard that most popular tabloid in Romania wrote about this band, two times :P

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Dexter
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:38 pm 
 

What the hell is "menele"? haha

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:48 am 
 

PiotrB wrote:
dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Inim%C4%83_S%C4%83lbatic%C4%83/3540331779

I laughed a lot when i saw this here. It really has no place to be here, all they do is remix songs from Romanian gypsy/pop music or "manele" singer Denisa, so it's a cover band...

Weird band. It's not cover band.
They used only vocals as far I know.
Music is strictly metal and new.
I asked about this band another mods before I've added it.
I also heard that most popular tabloid in Romania wrote about this band, two times :P


Well yeah it's pretty interesting to combine manele with metal, since here in Romania, the two are polar opposites. Let's just say that there's tension between fans of manele and fans of rock/metal.

So in conclusion if you use the vocal and "folk instrument" parts of a manele song and put metal behind it it's not a cover band?

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What the hell is "menele"? haha

Here's everything you need to know about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manele

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:14 pm 
 

dust666 wrote:
So in conclusion if you use the vocal and "folk instrument" parts of a manele song and put metal behind it it's not a cover band?

If it's new music, then yes.
I will play it again :D

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~Guest 152635
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:09 pm 
 

Delete this: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ant ... 3540331377
This is a typo of a band already here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ant ... 3540330097

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Dexter
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:19 pm 
 

Done

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failsafeman
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:00 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
failsafeman wrote:
So why exactly was Oracle deleted and not Prodigy? They changed their name legitimately as far as I know, and they seem much better known under the Oracle name, and also when you deleted Oracle you deleted the only reviews for the album.

I was under the impression that the name/entry under which an album was originally released takes precedence and if a band hasn't released anything under the other name that it should only be mentioned in a note concerning the re-release(s) under the later moniker. If renown and such should sometimes come into the equation, then I can only say that I didn't know that and apologize.

Regarding the reviews, I told both users to resubmit them for the new entry (and saved them on my hard drive, just in case).

It's kind of a gray area, I think. I'd definitely be for keeping Oracle instead of Prodigy, though, because from a practical standpoint I'm sure the vast majority of people looking the band up here are going to be looking for Oracle and not Prodigy. Also, good job saving the reviews. It's a big pet peeve of mine when reviews get lost under dubious circumstances like these.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:53 am 
 

Alright, I've been in contact with Mr. Bob Egler (or, "He of Many Projects"):

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1534/infoky.png

... aaaaaaaaand apparently, the project listed under his name is bogus... somebody must've added it by mistake, as Bob himself can't figure out what the hell it is.

Check the last paragraph of the screenshot above.

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ralfman
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:03 pm 
 

Hello,

About Bob Egler, It was me who added it and i made no mistake. In fact i 've added a review on "Music Extreme" or "Beowolf Productions" zines if i recall well, on the links so that the existence of the cd was to be proved.

This link is now deleted and i don´t exactly recall where or how i got to that review.

Also i didnt add that label to the page or change the notes from ""Bob Egler" (10 song CD , 2003)" to ""Bob Egler" (10-track CDr, 2003)".
And I wonder how this info was obtained...

If the guy denies the existence of the band/project, its because he didnt provide the correct info to the webzine or the webzine did a mistake and didnt recognize any name in the making of the review.

One thing is for sure, the band to be accepted had to have evidence and i provided a submission with links for reviews with that name "Bob Egler".
Perhaps the V1 of this page can be helpfull in recovering the link or something, sinse i am not an big expert in informatics.
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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:16 am 
 

Hello,

The lately accepted band Horrendus has no discography/links added to the band's page and I can't find anything regarding the band on google. Will the moderator who accepted the band update the page with the appropriate information? Thanks.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:48 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tur ... 3540332038 should be removed the demo was released under the name http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tur ... 3540328904

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:54 pm 
 

GraveWish wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Turbo_Rexx/3540332038 should be removed the demo was released under the name http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tur ... 3540328904

Thanks, deleted. My bad.
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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:40 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pan ... 3540332070 should be removed and the page should be merged with http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pantheon/9037

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:50 pm 
 

GraveWish wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pantheion/3540332070 should be removed and the page should be merged with http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pantheon/9037

And thanks again. That's indeed too minor a name change, come to think of it. This band queue marathon I'm doing right now is messing with my head, I think.
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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:58 pm 
 

Welcome, someone should do the hard work. I was also wondering why the band Seeds of Iblis got rejected ?

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Azmodes
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GraveWish wrote:
Welcome, someone should do the hard work. I was also wondering why the band Seeds of Iblis got rejected ?

I don't think I rejected them. What did the rejection email say?
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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:20 pm 
 

I don't know, it wasn't me who submitted the band but probably because the EP is soon to be released as they say on their myspace page that's strange I'm quite sure I've seen a pic for the cd somewhere.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:24 pm 
 

If they say on their MySpace that it's going to be released soon instead of it's been released on a past date, you wondering this is a bit surprising. Are you sure you thought this over well enough before posting? Just asking.
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Well, not much of a mystery there. Both the Myspace and the label page have it under "soon to be released", with no contradicting info anywhere else.

EDIT: What he said.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:34 pm 
 

Someone who knows about black metal (that is to say not me :p) should look into this report: http://www.metal-archives.com/report/vi ... 6/show/all

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:36 pm 
 

I asked about the band because I was quite sure that I've seen a picture for the release somewhere. Later on, after I posted my question, I checked the band's myspace and the label's webpage and they both say that the ep is soon to be released. So yes this was a bit surprising for me.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:39 pm 
 

Seems like pure anachronism. It's surprising NSBM bands want to emulate Velvet Cacoon.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:03 pm 
 

Dormant Inferno from India - deleted.
Still nothing released on CD.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:17 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Daudehaud/3540332675
release date: 2011-08-22
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:05 pm 
 

Remove Soundmind

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sou ... 3540262269

Same as Sound Mind

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sound_Mind/2100

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