Seems indeed to be the same band, although the submitter said that it's different band, but his source says the opposite

http://strappadometalblog.blogspot.com/ ... -1984.html
I've removed the newer entry.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Massacre/16048
Next band that looks suspicious for me...
i send them message via myspace but probably I will never get an answer.
Last time they logged in five years ago...

Hi guys,
I'm here because I accidentally posted Ophelia, a korean band that was previously deleted, but I didn't know that, and I apologize. The band is still in pending.
I also read some old discussions about their "metalness", defining their style not even close to metal, but just ethereal/darkwave and gothic rock/shoegaze.

In my honest opinion, since I listen to darkwave and related genres for ages, I can say for sure that they're not darkwave. They just have elements from ethereal wave, for the whispered female voice and atmospheres, in almost every songs, but for the rest they aren't only ethereal. Total ethereal wave are bands like All My Faith Lost, Love Is Colder Than Death and some works of Black Tape for a Blue Girl (like "Remnants of a Deeper Purity"); you can listen to them to have an idea of what is this genre.

Gothic rock is totally a different genre. It's something like Sisters of Mercy, and it hasn't the heavyness of Ophelia's songs, and they're lightyears far from shoegaze.

So, clarifying this points... in what genre they must be labelled?
Listening to the whole album multiple times, I found similiarity with Estatic Fear, Avrigus and some works of Theatre of Tragedy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHct90be ... re=related , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyQDEYnSk_g) and after all this reasoning, I thought to post them here. But, if you think the same that they can't stay here, I can't deny your decision and I apologize again with mods for my inattention.

Ophelia sound metal enough to me. Yeah, there's a lot of ethereal wave in there, but I reckon if Estatic Fear fit the bill, so does Ophelia. Just my two cents.

Deleted Lamentation (Bra). No releases.

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Okay, hang on, I've gotta ask about that... if a band sounds metal (and I mean metal), and has produced a physical release, does it matter if the sounds were actually composed using a guitar...?

If that doesn't make them metal, then what genre of music are they...? >_>;

EDIT: Also, nowhere in the rules does it say a band has to use guitars to be considered "metal"... or does that still fall under the "moderators have the final say" clause? If so, it'd probably help to amend that bit to the rules. >_>;

I just think it's slightly unfair (if not discriminatory) to blacklist a band that is decidedly metallic, simply because their sounds were composed using something else... >_>;

It has to be a string instrument. Doesn't have to be a guitar necessarily, there is some metal with distorted bass or distorted celli, but it has to be a string instrument. Otherwise it's not metal, regardless of its compositional style. Van Canto is not metal for example. A dulcimer could qualify, I don't know.

Alright, fair enough. Which is why I was asking, because a dulcimer DOES have strings, so... if it had all the amplification and distortion and whatnot, and sounded like metal, then I kinda don't think it's fair to mark 'em as unmetal. <_<;

Same goes for synthesised guitars too, yeah?

Programmed guitars -> not metal.

Much as I'd love to agree, if you can't hear the difference in "programmed metal", then what genre does that make it...?

I guess I should have said it does not have distortion on the dulcimer

Listen to the release and it should be obvious

It doesn't have distortion, but the dulcimer echoes throughout the production. In addition, there are undeniably black metal riffs here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-GZLZBUCHo

That track isn't very characteristic of the rest of the release.. but I'll drop it for now. Sorry for the inconvenience.

That definitely isn't metal.

I've deleted Blackskull from Brazil submitted by Haayara_Boeret today and accepted by PiotrB - their both demos were released under the name Intoxicated, "Face the Black Skull" is just a re-release of the second demo, so no new material under the new band name so far.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Intoxicated/82577

Heh. I don't noticed this :/

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D0 ... 3540333792

release?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SYMON-MUZYCA-Di ... 1e66933bd5

I've added a note.

Hatred Surge was accepted? I thought they were blacklisted for being too grindcore...?

What I've heard from their discography was already metal-influenced and the last two splits they released sounded acceptable. They weren't blacklisted, by the way.

Ah, right. Thanks! (Was gonna ask about splits and them not being acceptable to redeem a blacklisted band... and bring up Elitist in which case.)

Well, there're two splits in this case and although I don't want to get mathematical here, I'd say that counts for something. Plus, as I said, almost all the songs I sampled from their earlier catalogue had varying degrees of metal in them.

About Elitist, I don't really remember the band anymore. Something crust/death with a single split with more death than crust? If I recall correctly they still sounded borderline to me. Kinda as with Tombs.

Yeah, that'd be them. Although they released another full-length that sounded pretty deathy... then again, I think I remember that being mentioned last time, too. Either way, there's the full release if you wanna listen to it to reverify; I think I only gave song samples last time.


'Ey yeah, about that... Listened to Tombs' newest full-length again, and I'm shocked that you guys consider it too borderline. I mean, it ain't brutal death, sure, but I'm hearing pretty metallic sludgy riffs.

It's really frustrating to see countless one man bedroom ambient black metal projects with limited DIY records added daily to the archives while bands such as Elitist and Tombs can't be added despite releasing "metal enough" materials! Yes those releases mentioned by Alhadis are clearly metal enough. Unfortunately such posts are always ignored by moderators or at best minimally answered without giving any concrete reason why they don't want to accept the bands. I suppose if you are sure about your decision you won't have any problem to defend your point of view therefore share it with us. Maybe you are right and this is not metal enough share with us your knowledge, present us your arguments so we won't get confused about similar bands in the futur.

I have to agree... I'm confused by Tombs and Elitist's rejection, when their sound reflects numerous other bands that're already accepted as metal enough. Is it simply because they've simply been blacklisted in the past?

If so, wouldn't that have less to do with their distance from metal than it would users submitting them over and again?

Deleted Majesty from Australia. More melodic hard rock than heavy metal.

You can remove http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cry ... 3540263944

Both releases are re-release of BlackDeath demo & albums, slight difference is 2-3 tracks with norwegian titles

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http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/UI-70/3540256540

This is actually a Dōjin band, a band that covers the tracks of Touhou Project, a.k.a. Team Shanghai Alice, ZUN. (There are a lot of such bands.) Here you can see their discography with original cover track listed (http://www16.atwiki.jp/toho/pages/149.html). Even those tracks which the original track is not listed, they are indeed cover songs by listening. I am quite familiar with Touhou Project's work, I am sure this is a cover band.

The band Falloch was yesterday in the queue, the user who submitted the band also included a photo of the physical release in all cases the album was released 3 days ago so I suppose it wasn't rejected for not having a physical release --> probably a moderator considered the band not metal enough. Today the band is added by a moderator, what changed?

The funny thing is that this band is less metal then any of the post-metal bands I previously submitted and got rejected.

I rejected the 3 submissions from Falloch because:
- all were submitted before the album was released
- the last 2 ones clearly didn't care about the first one already being present

I added them for being a side project from members of other metal bands. Perhaps the side-project things is debatable, though.

This is not a side-project since the members are not currently active in any other metal band, therefore Falloch should be deleted.

Well, there's some metal. I'll listen to the album further and decide later if another mod didn't do it before me.

edit: I think the band has enough metal elements to stay.

Post-Rock/Folk Metal is a more accurate description but still it's predominantly post-rock and in my opinion should be removed. Anyway it's your decision not mine.

the tracks are on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cQT7Apee8o&feature=bf_next&list=PLC1C21A684D447609&lf=results_main

I'm up for whatever the rest of the admins decide. If most agree with you, then it should be taken down.

Removed Vaskosk und Elixir. The member reported that the demo was never released, and indeed no results on Google.

Deleted Philosophy from Brazil - both demos are pure ambient.

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Any word on this yet?