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droneriot
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 12:22 pm 
 

The issue at hand is that Unorthodox was trying to argue that production is the only part of the music that needs to be discussed, Darkthrone was used as an example. Even if production was a part of the music then it shouldn't allow not talking about what the musicians actually do from having to be discussed in a review that describes the music.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 12:25 pm 
 

If Unorthodox wishes to elaborate more in his review, it's always welcome. But at present, I see no reason to forcefully send it back to him.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 12:36 pm 
 

Yeah after I realised that unfortunately the staff is okay with production-only reviews, I was hoping to have a constructive criticism effect that he'd say that yeah melodic death metal can mean anything between The Chasm and Scar Symmetry and he'd add a paragraph about what type of music Arghoslent play, but I hit a brick wall of complete resistance to criticism.

He does mention they have good songwriting and they their riffs are put together well, I'd have been curious about him elaborating on how he thinks they do so because when I listened to them it sounded like pretty generic progressions, would have been interesting to hear about how he thought they put their riffs together well. But then amp stacks and deathcore came and no more mention of the music was to be seen.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 1:39 pm 
 

Production aesthetic is absolutely an integral part of the artistry and sound of recorded music.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 1:43 pm 
 

Is this a missing the point contest? The production is not the O N L Y part of the music. OOOO NNNNN LLLL YYYY. You can't have a production without anybody playing anything on instruments. A review that talks O N L Y about the production may talk about a part of the music, but it doesn't talk about the music.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 1:53 pm 
 

There isn't a single review on the site that describes every aspect of the music, bruh. If someone cares to focus on the production aesthetic, or the riffs, or the arrangements, or whatever, to the exclusion of something else, what of it?
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 1:54 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
The review can only have been accepted by one of the mods who also seem to think that metal is just a form of guitar tone or a style of audio engineering who's name usually starts with the letter 'B'


I'll back up everything Derigin is saying here, production is certainly a part of the package and can (and should) be mentioned in reviews if possible. Ideally it shouldn't be the focal point, but it can be at times and that review does a good job of justifying spending so much time on it, though like it was said, the fact that he still touches on the music to some degree does save it to some degree. However I wanted to highlight this quote for a second because it's clearly a potshot at me while somehow getting my ideas completely wrong. I believe literally the opposite, metal is purely a form of music and riffing style, and some bands may have the attitude or the production of a metal band, it doesn't make them metal. I've literally never once argued against this, and you'll never see me lobbying for Sum 41 or Fuel or whatever just because they randomly have albums with a heavy guitar tone.

I get that you think the review doesn't cut the mustard but come on bro back up and think for like ten nanoseconds before posting.

Anyway this argument is dumb, everybody shut up.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 2:06 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
the fact that he still touches on the music to some degree does save it to some degree.

Quoting the genre named on the band page is not touching on it. A metal review without guitars, bass, drums or vocals, yeah I guess that's not weird at all. Do they play fast melodic death metal or slow melodic death metal? Do they add melody to simple rhymths like In Flames, or does the melody carry the music? Do they follow a verse-chorus structure or do the songs progress? No mention of anything. Could sound like the The Chasm debut or like Scar Symmetry, like I already said, but it doesn't matter I guess since metal is just a guitar tone.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 2:23 pm 
 

Are you trying to change the minds of two different mods who already made a final decision or do you just enjoy flailing in the wind?
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 2:29 pm 
 

As I already said, I've accepted the positions of the moderators and have been trying to inspire Unorthodox to add a little about what the band is actually playing to his review, which was actually what I was trying from the get go considering that I know he uses this subforum. Dunno why I have to repeat this four times to no avail, but the density of four neutron stars compressed to the size of a marble, I know it by now.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 3:20 pm 
 

Well you've made your point, drone. Unorthodox is free, or not free, to take your criticism... but this is not the thread for it. I'd strongly advise taking it to PM.

Also for the record I was the one who accepted the review in the first place, not BastardHead.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 10:04 am 
 

How long can a review take to be accepted? Can time be variable and without patterns?

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 11:06 am 
 

The general rule is "We get to them when we get to them." There's almost always just one or two people who run the queue most of the time so if it gets backed up and they get no support, it can take a while. Just be patient, it'll happen.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 12:16 pm 
 

EDIT: Wrong thread.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 12:50 pm 
 

ThStealthP wrote:
How long can a review take to be accepted? Can time be variable and without patterns?

Considering your reviews were rejected several times before, it gives us more work. I'll get to it sooner or later but re-reading your 98% JFAC review again isn't in my plans for that nice sunny Sunday :)
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 1:06 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
ThStealthP wrote:
How long can a review take to be accepted? Can time be variable and without patterns?

Considering your reviews were rejected several times before, it gives us more work. I'll get to it sooner or later but re-reading your 98% JFAC review again isn't in my plans for that nice sunny Sunday :)

Lol. I didn't ask the question so that my reviews are accepted immediately, none of that, I did ask the question to know how the queue works and everything related to the world of reviews on MA. All that said, there is nothing to worry about.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:54 am 
 

Is it a problem if a review is written by someone from its line-up? I'm thinking regarding bias due to perhaps having an economic interest in promoting those albums.

Looks like Andramelech - Destroyers of Cosmic Order, and Avichi - The Divine Tragedy were written by the person making the artwork:

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Baal_Graphics
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:19 am 
 

Sweetie's review for Skid Row's "Matt Fallon Demos" has him rambling about "15(ish) Sebastian Bach", mentioning his vocal delivery several times - and the man ISN'T EVEN ON THE DEMO.

MATT FALLON is the singer on that demo, as the name implies ^^ and Bach was more like 17/18 when the demo was released. Just saying.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Skid_Row/Matt_Fallon_Demos/177609/
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:33 am 
 

It looks like he already corrected it.
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True, well - no further complaints then ^^^
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:05 am 
 

I believe this one is just too short and incomplete to be accepted as a review for a release: http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/W ... Fields/318

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:48 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... %A9s/5297/

Super brief non-descriptive UltraBoris review.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:42 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ans/222315
I'm pretty sure reviewing your own material and doing it to give yourself a 100% isn't good
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https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ans/222315

check out this dude giving his own song a 100

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The new track is a virtuous Instrumental loaded with novelties, with elements of orchestra and a soundtrack that resembles a film, starts with an epic tone that seems to recreate a medieval environment that guides us to the epic. But as if it were a preparation for the unexpected, the music turns into rock'n'roll with influences from Rainbow, Dio and Deep Purple, the guitar really came to tear the sound spectrum and drive anyone who listens to it crazy. For a brief moment it is as if a storm of virtuosity transcends matter in a constant evolution in a fast and aggressive way.

The track reaches its climax, and at the sound of the rain, a soft orchestrated sound demonstrates my evolution as a producing musician who, in an experimental play, demonstrates a transcendental evolution.

It is 04:18 of pure intellectual capacity, by creating a sound environment that evolves towards almost opposite sounds, I achieved something really unexpected, an experimental rock metal with symphonic elements that moves, goes crazy and reassures in a single track.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:59 pm 
 

Indeed. Removed.
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colin040 wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Ossian/Kit%C3%B6r%C3%A9s/5297/

Super brief non-descriptive UltraBoris review.

Yet this remains?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:36 am 
 

Good call on the deletion, a review about the transcendental evolution of your intellectual capacity should be at least twelve paragraphs long.
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gasmask_colostomy wrote:
colin040 wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Ossian/Kit%C3%B6r%C3%A9s/5297/

Super brief non-descriptive UltraBoris review.

Yet this remains?

Tossed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:27 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
Good call on the deletion, a review about the transcendental evolution of your intellectual capacity should be at least twelve paragraphs long.


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colin040
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Here's another super brief review: https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... Age/30308/

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metalatemybaby's Bound for Glory - Behold the Iron Cross review.
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... aby/384846

I understand that in terms of technicality and descriptiveness this review is qualified for this site, I just can't help but notice how the writer glosses over the band's Nazism. At one point he even states that one song tells of "extraordinary bravery shown by the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS".


Also, his review for their album Feed the Machine.
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ne/311538/

He states he is good friends with the band members. He says the band was "demonized" because of their racist lyrics, but that now they choose to sing about "pride in your roots". Maybe it's just current events getting to my head, but it sure sounds as if he's trying to sugarcoat or completely excuse one of the most notorious neo-Nazi bands of all time.
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Thanks Ezra, we'll deal with those reviews.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:58 pm 
 

There were a number of issues with 'em, and so they've been removed.

Gotta say those reviews were spooky. Submitted by a guy who died two months later, accepted by a now dead mod.
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Here's some old sucky reviews for Dream Theater's Awake which should be removed:

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... Knight/390
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... d34th/2971
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ldier/3050
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... oses/34325
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... fear/27948
These are all track-by-track reviews. The first three are sorely lacking in musical description. The first one is full of terrible grammatical errors, and the second one constantly stumbles over itself with the whole "I don't know why I like it, I just do" sentiment. The third one goes the extra mile with rating each song individually and should be instantly axed.
The last two describe the music quite well, the problem is that both reviewers devote an entire long-ass paragraph to each individual track.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ooter/5599
This is like an even further extrapolation of the last two. His description of the actual music is amazingly detailed, but it follows the same track-by-track format with devoting entire long paragraphs to nearly each individual song (and one of them, for some reason, gets TWO entire paragraphs all to itself). I know that a lot of his reviews are great and very descriptive without being bloated, but he clearly overshot it with this one.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... 1/OJ16/601
Not enough musical description.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... nted666/73
Terrible grammar and formatting, practically unreadable.

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Gas_Snake wrote:
Here's some old sucky reviews for Dream Theater's Awake which should be removed:

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... Knight/390
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... d34th/2971
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ldier/3050
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... oses/34325
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... fear/27948
These are all track-by-track reviews. The first three are sorely lacking in musical description. The first one is full of terrible grammatical errors, and the second one constantly stumbles over itself with the whole "I don't know why I like it, I just do" sentiment. The third one goes the extra mile with rating each song individually and should be instantly axed.
The last two describe the music quite well, the problem is that both reviewers devote an entire long-ass paragraph to each individual track.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ooter/5599
This is like an even further extrapolation of the last two. His description of the actual music is amazingly detailed, but it follows the same track-by-track format with devoting entire long paragraphs to nearly each individual song (and one of them, for some reason, gets TWO entire paragraphs all to itself). I know that a lot of his reviews are great and very descriptive without being bloated, but he clearly overshot it with this one.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... 1/OJ16/601
Not enough musical description.

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... nted666/73
Terrible grammar and formatting, practically unreadable.

I'm no moderator, but a lot of those reviews are old and from a time when track-by-track was quite common here. I think I read something about those reviews being here to stay, even though they wouldn't be accepted if they were submitted today. Kinda like a "no ex post facto" thing.
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Nah. We retroactively reject things that wouldn't pass muster today for the sake of consistency (plus the early standards were, frankly, dogshit at times). Diamhea and I used to periodically choose major bands to audit, I just haven't done it much lately.

Anyway I'll let another mod look at those for now since I'm on my phone and modding via phone is a fuckin nightmare.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:21 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... uin/38056/

I think we could do without this review; it's just not saying much.

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https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... rmie/13322

old, super brief review

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colin040 wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Necare/Ruin/38056/

I think we could do without this review; it's just not saying much.


Ehhhh, it's not very good but I'm willing to let it slide on the barest minimum since it technically does everything it's supposed to do. We have a 3 pointer category for a reason.

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old, super brief review


This one on the other hand, poof
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:06 pm 
 

Now as bayern showed how to write a review for Divine:Decay, this one for the debut album, written back in 2002 is poof-able, right?!

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... wkMoon/170

"And no, track 10 isn't a Judas Priest cover."

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