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gasmask_colostomy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:50 pm 
 

zeingard wrote:
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Thus, to "understand" an album is more complicated than just knowing that album well, it depends on the background you have as well. I'm ill-equipped to understand Adele's new album because I have very little knowledge of the area that she works in, and that wouldn't change that much even if I listened to it 100 times over a few months. Give me the new Buckethead, though, and I'll understand it better in a couple of spins because I already have a good grasp of his other material and the sphere in which he operates.


Nah sorry this is wrong. Review whatever you want, in whatever genre you want, in whatever style you want. While I can appreciate the depth and breadth of knowledge a genre fanatic (for lack of a better term) can bring to a review, I find an outsider's opinion and view far more interesting and challenging.

Zeiny, sometimes I think you’re a bit quick to disagree, because what you’ve written below doesn’t contradict what I wrote. I was trying to respond to that question you posed about what it means to “understand” an album, and that’s my conclusion. I just wanted to draw the distinction between an album I would struggle to fully understand and one that I could grasp fairly quickly; I too agree that you don’t have to understand fully to start a review, and that outsider views often bring a new perspective.

I’d write those two reviews differently: I would be in a good position to contextualize Buckethead material but wouldn’t write much about the wider genre or her discography when writing about Adele (tbf I do know other Adele songs, I should have picked something less common). Writing about the album that I understand less, I’d focus more heavily just on the music, go into more depth with the songs, etc. and with the other I’d choose my examples more carefully to back up particular points that came to me from that wider view.

In brief, I agree that you don’t have to completely “understand” an album to review it, but you do have to consider your own and your reader’s understanding to write about it well.
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colin040
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:17 am 
 

zeingard wrote:
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I can't help but think that a lack of understanding will often result into a lot of historical revisionism. Think of the guy who wrote that Reign in Blood isn't as influential/extreme when compared to earlier albums.


That review (editor note: I thought we were talking about the ziomaletto review for some reason) doesn't use the word influence (or any conjugation there of) at any point, the writer just states they find other releases more extreme / interesting around the time. The review is an absolute slog to read but it's certainly more interesting than yet another retread on why the album is a classic. Actually most of the negative review acknowledge the album's influence and don't discount it.


I was actually talking about Gas_Snake's pre-edited review. Earlier he wrote that:

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1. This is not a hallmark of pure sonic brutality, or at least, it is nowhere near as influential purely in that sense as you might think. Of the notable aggressive albums that already existed prior to the time of this album's release, Seven Churches is far more chaotic, Bathory's first two have a bigger emphasis on the expression of absolute black metal filth, and Slayer's very own Hell Awaits (I'm also including the EP Haunting The Chapel for similarities) broke new ground in adding a degree of sophistication to such violent expressions while being a far more influential album in directly inspiring others to follow in its footsteps.

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swine_brothers
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:27 pm 
 

The problem comes about when you try to contextualize an album that you don't understand. If I were reviewing Death's Infernal Death demo, I understand the music, when it came out, and the developement of death metal. If I were to review an album in a genre I'm not so familiar with, I'd focus on my opinion of the music.

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Gas_Snake
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:32 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... erEd/21802

Oh hey TrooperEd did... something?

Wow, this actually reads like a rambling UltraBoris review, but without the enthusiasm. The way he haphazardly omits punctuation in some places gives off that apathetic vibe like "nah na na na naaaaahhhhh". I get that he was a very prolific reviewer and spawned a bunch of imitators, but he made an impact because of how fucking visceral his language got, like you could actually feel him suffering from the immense suckness of something like St.Anger or... whatever the fuck he thought of Master of Puppets on that day, or even how much he loved the things that he loved (riffs riffs RIFFY RIFFS RIIIFFFSSS). This is like a lifeless husk, and he doesn't just fail to get his points across, I have trouble discerning what they even are. Come on, man.

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EzraBlumenfeld
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:36 am 
 

TrooperEd was always one of the most milquetoast writers on this site and I doubt most of us have really paid any mind to his recent lack of output. I can personally think of quite a few long discussions on this very forum that were spawned because Ed pulled some really weak opinion out of his ass and then centered an entire review around it.
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gasmask_colostomy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:36 am 
 

I often enjoy coming to this forum and finding that the most vocal critics are the guys whose reviews I don't read. (Not especially you two, but this time it is!) The new Troop review isn't all that bad, just sounds like he had a few attention-deficit moments and didn't listen to the record more than 3 times.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:38 pm 
 

I sometimes don't listen to something more than 3 times to review it.... In fact 3 itself is about the norm for me.
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robotiq
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:38 am 
 

Oh cool, a Terminal Death review. You don't see those very often...

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colin040
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:57 am 
 

robotiq wrote:
Oh cool, a Terminal Death review. You don't see those very often...


I thought you had written for that compilation before I saw who had.

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Morton Salt
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:27 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Caveman_Cult/Blood_and_Extinction/946590/TheDean/373363

Anybody else think this review doesn't really make sense? I think the guy kinda missed the boat on calling war metal trendy. 3 or 4 years ago that holds water, but now not so much. If he actually wanted to go after low effort, trendy bands he would have written a negative review for 200 Stab Wounds or Frozen Soul or really any of the bands on Maggot Stomp. But I don't think he would go at them anyway, with statements like "gatekeeping against deathcore has reduced the talent pool in metal today"...lol.

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robotiq
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:28 am 
 

Yeah I wrote everything I could on that band years ago, good to hear someone else talking about them. Brilliant band.

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