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hells_unicorn
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:17 pm 
 

colin040 wrote:
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Because it is Judas Priest and the only thing they could give a fuck about less is consistency.


Gotta love it when fans defend their band's change of direction regardless of the output. Do you really believe that it was a coincidence that they released Turbo in 1986, Painkiller in 1990 and Jugulator in 1997?


Turbo wasn't a bad album, I prefer the more aggressive character of the two that came before it, but if I were to do an apples to apples comparison between it and a lot of more blatantly glam albums from the mid-80s, it comes out ahead of a lot of stuff. Perhaps I'm biased because "Turbo Lover" was the first song I heard by them on the Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice compilation back in the day (also the reason why I ended up hearing "No Stranger To Love" a year prior to hearing "Iron Man"), but I can sympathize with Luvers' take on the album to an extent, even if I did score it 18 points lower.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:33 pm 
 

colin040 wrote:
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Because it is Judas Priest and the only thing they could give a fuck about less is consistency.
Gotta love it when fans defend their band's change of direction regardless of the output.
I do not. There are plenty of Priest songs that I do not care for and some I completely dislike.
colin040 wrote:
Do you really believe that it was a coincidence that they released Turbo in 1986, Painkiller in 1990 and Jugulator in 1997?
Not sure how you can ask me if I think that. It was not a coincidence, it was a creative decision that started on Killing Machine and has continued to this day. Every Priest album is a reflection of the era it was made and those three are no different.
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Turbo wasn't a bad album, I prefer the more aggressive character of the two that came before it, but if I were to do an apples to apples comparison between it and a lot of more blatantly glam albums from the mid-80s, it comes out ahead of a lot of stuff. Perhaps I'm biased because "Turbo Lover" was the first song I heard by them on the Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice compilation back in the day (also the reason why I ended up hearing "No Stranger To Love" a year prior to hearing "Iron Man"), but I can sympathize with Luvers' take on the album to an extent, even if I did score it 18 points lower.
Your first Priest exposure was Turbo Lover? I also prefer Defenders and a few others to Turbo, not like I had the opinion it was the bands best work. I just think I am back where I belong. Alone on the stage, saying my peace and dodging the tomatoes that come my way. :boo:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:30 am 
 

Luvers wrote:
As I have stressed in every Priest review I have done(or will do), expecting anything when it pertains to Judas Priest is just foolish. They have never had two albums sound the same, not least of which back to back. No other metal band would include Last Rose of Summer on an album boasting the first speed, thrash and power metal songs. Sad Wings of Destiny is where people claim Priest became Priest and yet it features an undeniable Gospel tune in Epitaph, particularly in the vocal department. Why? Because it is Judas Priest and the only thing they could give a fuck about less is consistency.


This is false. They've often done things in pairs. Killing Machine and British Steel are certainly similar records. Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith are pretty much twin records. Even the most recent two are very similar to each other. If anything, they've followed the mantra of "if it works, do it again".
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colin040
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:35 am 
 

Terri23 wrote:
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As I have stressed in every Priest review I have done(or will do), expecting anything when it pertains to Judas Priest is just foolish. They have never had two albums sound the same, not least of which back to back. No other metal band would include Last Rose of Summer on an album boasting the first speed, thrash and power metal songs. Sad Wings of Destiny is where people claim Priest became Priest and yet it features an undeniable Gospel tune in Epitaph, particularly in the vocal department. Why? Because it is Judas Priest and the only thing they could give a fuck about less is consistency.


This is false. They've often done things in pairs. Killing Machine and British Steel are certainly similar records. Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith are pretty much twin records. Even the most recent two are very similar to each other. If anything, they've followed the mantra of "if it works, do it again".


Good point. If it wasn't clear with my previous post, I also suggested that JP were definitely chasing trends; but I can imagine that the die-hard JP fans refuse to believe that. :p

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:59 pm 
 

bayern, when I saw that you gave ole Salem Lot's (or one of them, anyhow) a higher grade than Satan's latest, had to give it a go...it's pretty thrashy, in a muddy, maze-like, furnace storm of wanly expunged mayhem. (Although I'll stick with Terre Infernale for now.)

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:30 pm 
 

CHAIRTHROWER wrote:
bayern, when I saw that you gave ole Salem Lot's (or one of them, anyhow) a higher grade than Satan's latest, had to give it a go...it's pretty thrashy, in a muddy, maze-like, furnace storm of wanly expunged mayhem. (Although I'll stick with Terre Infernale for now.)


These are the Norwegians, brother... serious Viking stuff.

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colin040
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:39 pm 
 

I'm glad that Robotiq is fond of Warmaster but for the love of GOAT, please make your reviews a bit more interesting, will you?

TITLE: The best Bolt Thrower album

FIRST SENTENCE: This is the best Bolt Thrower album

FINAL SENTENCE: Still, this is the best Bolt Thrower album

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIII :lol:

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robotiq
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:44 pm 
 

Intentional. Not changing that.

(one more Bolt Thrower to do, then I'm done).

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Slater922
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:26 pm 
 

robotiq wrote:
(one more Bolt Thrower to do, then I'm done).

Wait, you're not gonna review all of the other BT albums? Not even Those Once Loyal?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:58 pm 
 

Props to Chair for his Vulcain review, another cool band that would’ve flew under my radar otherwise!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:26 am 
 

Slater922 wrote:
robotiq wrote:
(one more Bolt Thrower to do, then I'm done).

Wait, you're not gonna review all of the other BT albums? Not even Those Once Loyal?


He has already written a review for that one.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:30 am 
 

colin040 wrote:
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robotiq wrote:
(one more Bolt Thrower to do, then I'm done).

Wait, you're not gonna review all of the other BT albums? Not even Those Once Loyal?


He has already written a review for that one.

Oh yeah, I forgot he wrote a review for all the other BT albums. Now I feel like an idiot :durr:
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:44 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... 922/853070

Ouch what shot in the heart this review….

Commercial,bland and with too much groove.

After illud the worst album of MA,Heretic is ten thousand better
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:45 am 
 

Thanks kazhard, I'm actually quite fond of Vulcain now, as they stand in as a Frenchified Tank, big time! Upon originally reading the "meh!" review for their debut, didn't necesseraily have high expectations, but yeah, they're definitely up there with the "creme de la creme" (accents be damned as they're too much trouble, keyboard wise).

I've a modern day French band to purview I think you'll also dig greatly...although it requires manifold spins before further analysis.

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robotiq
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:41 pm 
 

Good to see the mighty Neglect added to the site yesterday... hmm that Don Fury compilation needs a review...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:52 pm 
 

Luvers wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
Turbo wasn't a bad album, I prefer the more aggressive character of the two that came before it, but if I were to do an apples to apples comparison between it and a lot of more blatantly glam albums from the mid-80s, it comes out ahead of a lot of stuff. Perhaps I'm biased because "Turbo Lover" was the first song I heard by them on the Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice compilation back in the day (also the reason why I ended up hearing "No Stranger To Love" a year prior to hearing "Iron Man"), but I can sympathize with Luvers' take on the album to an extent, even if I did score it 18 points lower.
Your first Priest exposure was Turbo Lover? I also prefer Defenders and a few others to Turbo, not like I had the opinion it was the bands best work. I just think I am back where I belong. Alone on the stage, saying my peace and dodging the tomatoes that come my way. :boo:


I was born in 1980, and somehow despite constantly watching MTV in 1988 and 1989, I was exclusively catching stuff by bands like Poison, Cinderella, Motley Crue and Guns 'N' Roses. My brother had a cassette copy of a compilation called "Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice", which had a bunch of hit songs from the 80s by an odd mishmash of rock and metal bands. "Turbo Lover", Alice Cooper's "Poison" and Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark" were my two favorite songs from the compilation, but I really enjoyed everything that was on it. That cassette was also my introduction to Triumph, Black Sabbath (technically Iommi's first solo album as the song was "No Stranger To Love") and Jason Bonham's solo band.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:04 pm 
 

hells_unicorn wrote:
Luvers wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
Turbo wasn't a bad album, I prefer the more aggressive character of the two that came before it, but if I were to do an apples to apples comparison between it and a lot of more blatantly glam albums from the mid-80s, it comes out ahead of a lot of stuff. Perhaps I'm biased because "Turbo Lover" was the first song I heard by them on the Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice compilation back in the day (also the reason why I ended up hearing "No Stranger To Love" a year prior to hearing "Iron Man"), but I can sympathize with Luvers' take on the album to an extent, even if I did score it 18 points lower.
Your first Priest exposure was Turbo Lover? I also prefer Defenders and a few others to Turbo, not like I had the opinion it was the bands best work. I just think I am back where I belong. Alone on the stage, saying my peace and dodging the tomatoes that come my way. :boo:


I was born in 1980, and somehow despite constantly watching MTV in 1988 and 1989, I was exclusively catching stuff by bands like Poison, Cinderella, Motley Crue and Guns 'N' Roses. My brother had a cassette copy of a compilation called "Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice", which had a bunch of hit songs from the 80s by an odd mishmash of rock and metal bands. "Turbo Lover", Alice Cooper's "Poison" and Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark" were my two favorite songs from the compilation, but I really enjoyed everything that was on it. That cassette was also my introduction to Triumph, Black Sabbath (technically Iommi's first solo album as the song was "No Stranger To Love") and Jason Bonham's solo band.

Do you remember Ratt?

Very good band togheter with Tesla the only bands glam that I listen too now…
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:12 pm 
 

hells_unicorn wrote:
Luvers wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
Turbo wasn't a bad album, I prefer the more aggressive character of the two that came before it, but if I were to do an apples to apples comparison between it and a lot of more blatantly glam albums from the mid-80s, it comes out ahead of a lot of stuff. Perhaps I'm biased because "Turbo Lover" was the first song I heard by them on the Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice compilation back in the day (also the reason why I ended up hearing "No Stranger To Love" a year prior to hearing "Iron Man"), but I can sympathize with Luvers' take on the album to an extent, even if I did score it 18 points lower.
Your first Priest exposure was Turbo Lover? I also prefer Defenders and a few others to Turbo, not like I had the opinion it was the bands best work. I just think I am back where I belong. Alone on the stage, saying my peace and dodging the tomatoes that come my way. :boo:
I was born in 1980, and somehow despite constantly watching MTV in 1988 and 1989, I was exclusively catching stuff by bands like Poison, Cinderella, Motley Crue and Guns 'N' Roses. My brother had a cassette copy of a compilation called "Masters Of Metal: Thunder And Spice", which had a bunch of hit songs from the 80s by an odd mishmash of rock and metal bands. "Turbo Lover", Alice Cooper's "Poison" and Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark" were my two favorite songs from the compilation, but I really enjoyed everything that was on it. That cassette was also my introduction to Triumph, Black Sabbath (technically Iommi's first solo album as the song was "No Stranger To Love") and Jason Bonham's solo band.
So I guess Turbo Lover was the first. Not usual for a fans first listen but I get it though. Even though I have enjoyed/loved metal since discovering Triumph in 1978 and becoming a connoisseur of the genre but I did not discover Black Sabbath until 1983 with the song Digital Bitch from Born Again being played on an FM radio station.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:41 pm 
 

I kind of feel bad for the folks whose first introduction to Priest was Turbo Lover. Not the best way to introduce such a legendary band to put it lightly... :violin:
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:06 am 
 

I dunno. My introduction to Priest was Living After Midnight, a song that I thought was really fucking boring back then and remains really fucking boring to this day. Turbo was one of the last Priest albums I listened to and I surprised myself by feeling like it was the third best album of the decade for them (obviously SFV and DotF are superior). It's a lot of dumb fun and the title track is a legitimate classic tune. Priest has always been extremely good with hooks so them leaning into that strength whole hog absolutely works for me. Sure it's not as heavy or mean as the few albums before it but sacrificing some speed in exchange for even catchier choruses is a fair trade for me.

Worth noting that my experience with Priest didn't happen in the 80s. Maybe I'd hate Turbo to death if I was a huge fan of the previous two albums at the time. Zoomed out decades later, it's a little easier to decouple the art from the context of the time, and Turbo probably works a lot better in the context of a 50 year career than it does as the followup to two of the best metal albums of the decade.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:15 am 
 

Haha, nightbreaker's Spitfire_Die Fighting! review had me die laughing. Also, GodofMalice's Gwar reviews are great - I especially dig this latest post-humous ode to Oderus.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm 
 

CHAIRTHROWER I bet you laughed because of the funny story of when the band played at beach party.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:31 pm 
 

Indeed, the visual it conjured put me off my feed! (hint: "chick" or "broad" in French-from-France translates as: "gonzesse", a word I've always wanted to integrate into a review, yet struggle to in light of its ribald connotation...)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:47 am 
 

Slater, you have new Paganizer at pretty high clicks. When you mention that the instrumentals are "a bit standard" and the vocals "a bit bland", you're saying that's what other people might think, right? Because I'm one of those people, so your score shocked me!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:07 am 
 

linkavitch wrote:
Congrats on reading the whole thing, I stopped reading that glorified track by track review at "Gothenburg faggotry."

So you made it through five paragraphs, but couldn't make it all the way through because of that term?

review wrote:
And unlike some people that dislike 21st century Kreator, I don't mind the fact that these albums are melodic (Coma of Souls is also pretty melodic, and we all agree its awesome), nor do I think they are necessarily "Gothenburg faggotry" (songs like Replicas of Life or Civilization Collapse sound to me more like Symbolic-era Death songs than anything from the Gothenburg scene), although there are times where that description fits.


It's clear the writer uses it with some distance (which he/she could be faulted for), and it's definitely not the case that the main criticism advanced is "this is Gothenburg faggotry". It's also not a track by track.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:24 am 
 

Hey, twist, nice Darian and Friends review. I checked it out after reading, and was mighty pleased by such differential vocalizing for each track - "Lost Horizons" sounds like wayward Trident Lords; although, the final balladry at the end dragged on a mite too long (I forced myself to hear it in full, simply out of form). I've a new Michigan band under my wing I really want you to check out, only I'm too burnt at the moment to force a justice-doing review or two (as both their albums slay in a radio-friendly but ultimately metal way.)

(Hint: The cover of their first album sports a black & white "locustmotive".)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:15 am 
 

gasmask_colostomy wrote:
Slater, you have new Paganizer at pretty high clicks. When you mention that the instrumentals are "a bit standard" and the vocals "a bit bland", you're saying that's what other people might think, right? Because I'm one of those people, so your score shocked me!

Cool to see that my Paganizer review is getting some attention! :thumbsup:

And yeah, the standard descriptions might be a bit of a let down, but what I was trying to say is that it's the execution of the sound and style that makes this album so damn good.
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