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| Author: | TheMirroringShadow [ Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
This is my first negative review. And negative it was. Fuck, eardrum surgery here I come. This EP really sucked. Scelestus - Scelestus Title: "The musical equivalent of a shitty B-movie" - 17%.
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:36 am ] |
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^ Gets indulgent at points, and more paragraphs should be separated. Generally, I feel like albums that are terrible and shitty either don't deserve a review, or a better description of what about them sucks and why. I don't think this review is bad or anything, it just gets repetitive. If there's more specific information you can add to *why* it sucks, go for it. If not, pare it down to the relevant incisive scourging and leave it at that. Don't get me wrong: by all means flog bullshit. Make it hurt, make your points, but then let us all move on. It's worth the time to warn people they're about to step in shit, so I thank you for that. But if there's not much more to it than that, it's not really worth spending the time to read about. |
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| Author: | TheMirroringShadow [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:12 am ] |
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Grave_Wyrm wrote: ^ Gets indulgent at points, and more paragraphs should be separated. Generally, I feel like albums that are terrible and shitty either don't deserve a review, or a better description of what about them sucks and why. I don't think this review is bad or anything, it just gets repetitive. If there's more specific information you can add to *why* it sucks, go for it. If not, pare it down to the relevant incisive scourging and leave it at that. Don't get me wrong: by all means flog bullshit. Make it hurt, make your points, but then let us all move on. It's worth the time to warn people they're about to step in shit, so I thank you for that. But if there's not much more to it than that, it's not really worth spending the time to read about. Great points man. I agree, I started repeating myself a lot about how generic the riffs were and craptastic the random songwriting was. But kind of failed to explain why they sucked. This type of groove/nu metal is really hard to explain, you end up having to go for the most basic of adjectives. And there's really no way to differentiate well between some of these songs. They were all sloppy and generic. Honestly sounded like something out of a middle school talent show compositionally. I've had a bad tendency of writing overlong reviews, and I have no idea how I managed to write that much text about such an awful EP. I should take some lessons from guys like UltraBoris when it comes to writing negative reviews... |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:17 am ] |
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There is a certain art to lambasting a release while remaining an interesting read. It's easy to devolve into aimless ranting, try adding a few references/comparisons or something to spice it up. Oh yeah and the formatting is kinda weird, as stated above. It needs just a little more meat on it's bones, but to be honest it is probably acceptable as-is. But who settles with acceptable? |
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| Author: | theunrelentingattack [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:37 am ] |
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It's borderline acceptable but it's probably one of those that would sit in the queue for a while. Honestly, it is a little dry. You've got the base of a solid review in there but for me, it just lacked a little life. |
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| Author: | anir esti metallos [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Hello world, this is my first review, that I foοlishly posted before making some corrections, so it was rejected twice, with some comments that I didn't undestand, really.I Hope I can get some help about anything that you think is bad or wrong or whatever. It is on Seven Thunders Roar (Stoned Jesus) "First track by this band I listened to was "Stormy Monday". Luckilly, a friend just sent it to me and said "hey man check this out". Stoner Metal and heavy rock gerne were gaining annoying popularity during last two years here in Greece, so I had been listening to many different albums of bands that were strongly influenced by the mid-90s and 00s "southern" rock evolution. I could not expect many things from what I thought to be just another one of the many new stoner bands. Although, the very first notes of Stormy Monday, and its incredibly epic groovy build up at once attracted me. I realized I raped the "repeat" button only after the 10th time in row! First thoughts I made were that this stuff was very friendly to my ears, and its crunchy, eavy riffs gently gave me the rock thrill that everyone who listens to this kind of music knows about! This was something that I hadn't felt for a while. This song had something from the past, and something refreshing and new, at the same time. I was more than willing to give the rest of the album a try. Seven Thunders Roar is the second full length release of the Ukrainian band and without doubt their best job so far. Opener "Bright Like the Morning" starts with some seashore sounds that take me to an exotic place and make me dream of holiday, weed, and sun(and then an epic storm !). Musically, there is some very interesting playing by all the members of the band. Very good sound quality, special guitar sound, nice drum sound especially splashes, and an exiting ,clear and heavy BASS sound that gives the tracks original heavy rock feeling. Next two tracks are enjoyable as hell. Imaginative riffs, pentatonic and blues scales at their best, sing-along refrains that are stuck in your head, perfect drumming, long songs with great instrumental parts, that prove the band's composition skills. 4th Track is bloody heaven. "I'm the Mountain" is the highlight of the album and of course is a very precious sample of the band's ability. It starts with that amazing SUPERIFF that blows your mind. Turns from incredibly heavy to pretty smooth and over again, with marvelous melodies and wonderful (and a bit weird) lyrics. The slow and perfect verse turns to the epic outburst of the refrain that I just can't help breaking my neck every time. What is more, the song is growing a fascinating atmosphere that is built by the great guitar tone and lovely vocals, and finally it ends with the same gorgeous riff that it started. Stormy Monday finishes the release perfectly. 5 tracks are enough to fill me with music straight from their souls, pure stoner rock, with some pretty innovatιve elements. I strongly recommend this album to everyone that loves really good music, not just metalheads and stoners, and definitely I find no need for any kind of drug, the music is just good itself. It 's got some really interesting things that I couldn't find in many other bands. One of those elements certainly is Igor's voice!! His loud, clear and special voice combined with not- original American/English accent makes perfect success. I am looking forward to their next album. |
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| Author: | Erosion of Humanity [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:16 pm ] |
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Well for starters your review is in desperate need of spelling and grammar checks. You should run it through some sort of word processor before resubmitting it, especially if English is not your native tongue, which I'll just assume it isn't. Your third paragraph, while kind of describing the music, reads like a check list. The review is a half assed track by track, either commit to it and really go in depth (shouldn't be too hard or boring as it's only five songs) or just cut that out. Personally I would opt out of doing the track by track. Another note would be the start of your fourth paragraph - "4th Track is bloody heaven." - that's just all sorts of bad. Never start a sentence with a number (as in a numerical digit) always spell it out, you should really be doing it for anything less than 10 anyways. Song titles need to be capitalized, and most importantly, that's a really weak sentence, really weak. Not even worth having. Hope this helps. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
anir esti metallos, what did the notes say exactly? Probably the most efficient place to start. |
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| Author: | anir esti metallos [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:58 pm ] |
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The notes said that my punctuation is maddening and my English "just not good". |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:09 pm ] |
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anir esti metallos wrote: The notes said that my punctuation is maddening and my English "just not good". I don't necessarily think it is "maddening" but it certainly isn't up to par. There are some English as second language reviewers that manage to squeeze by because they have great knowledge of what they are reviewing and can still get the point across. A good example is the user "Tlacaxipehualiztli", who has even been rejected a number of times even though he clearly knows a great deal about the material he reviews. I don't know what else to say other than maybe reviewing in English isn't the best choice if you don't have a complete grasp of the language. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:50 pm ] |
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anir esti metallos wrote: The notes said that my punctuation is maddening and my English "just not good". Those seem pretty straight forward. Not sure what there is to misunderstand. What do you think of these appraisals? |
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| Author: | theunrelentingattack [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:03 pm ] |
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The "maddening" part was that all the periods were initially commas. The first paragraph was either one sentence or max two. |
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| Author: | anir esti metallos [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:43 am ] |
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Anyway, I think I got it." Don't bother reviewing." Usefull advice. It is ok, maybe I ll check some grammar rules and try later. |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:56 am ] |
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I didn't say don't bother reviewing, I said that maybe reviewing in English isn't the best option if you don't have a comfortable grasp of the language. |
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| Author: | theunrelentingattack [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:38 am ] |
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anir esti metallos wrote: Anyway, I think I got it." Don't bother reviewing." Usefull advice. It is ok, maybe I ll check some grammar rules and try later. Dude, I know I rejected the second review as well but it was significantly better than the one posted here. The grammar was still awkward but the writing itself and the intended meaning behind it was actually pretty solid. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:35 am ] |
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anir esti metallos wrote: Anyway, I think I got it." Don't bother reviewing." Usefull advice. You're blowing this out of proportion. I understand rejection is difficult to swallow sometimes, but when you're getting constructive criticism, it's up to you to take the note and make the corrections. |
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| Author: | TheMirroringShadow [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Hey guys, I wrote another review. This time for a rather unknown industrial metal band I hold in high regard. Let me know what you think! "Anachronistic life unending" - 90%
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
The only thing that caught my eye right away was minor typos throughout both of the reviews you just submitted. Since you aren't auto-approved, it's a hassle to fix the typos and re-submit the reviews for approval, so make sure you spell check a couple of times before you hit submit. I'll be honest, I do the same thing, and always miss obvious mistakes, but I often use the wrong word instead of misspelling, so it doesn't underline it in red like it should in your case. Keep it up! |
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:11 am ] |
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TheMirroringShadow wrote: Hey guys, I wrote another review. This time for a rather unknown industrial metal band I hold in high regard. Let me know what you think! "Anachronistic life unending" - 90%
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Periods and commas go inside quotation marks! |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:17 am ] |
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Only in Murkan. |
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:53 am ] |
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Yeah, but there are more Americans than Brits or Kiwis, so we win. Plus Diamhea needs to do that since he's from da States. Bugs me seeing his otherwise good reviews and then noticing stuff like "this".
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:18 am ] |
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I'm definitely no English major, damn is that really how it's supposed to be? I'll fix it soon, but my OCD will force me to fix all of my reviews in one sitting and well..that number is getting quite large now. |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:34 am ] |
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Diamhea, you'd be changing to a convention decided on due to typewriters, fight the power! |
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| Author: | BastardHead [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:02 pm ] |
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It's a dumb rule and I never follow it, otherwise your sentences end on nothing. lord_ghengis wrote: fight the power!
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:26 pm ] |
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BastardHead wrote: It's a dumb rule and I never follow it, otherwise your sentences end on nothing. lord_ghengis wrote: fight the power! You mean end with a quotation mark? How do you handle dialogue? I'd so totally reject your reviews if I were a mod.
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:53 am ] |
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Dialogue punctuation is contained within the quotation marks since the punctuation belongs to what is within them. |
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:22 am ] |
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lord_ghengis wrote: Dialogue punctuation is contained within the quotation marks since the punctuation belongs to what is within them. But that's an arbitrary rule, just like nearly everything else. Just seems odd that that particular rule is OK to ignore here. |
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| Author: | MutantClannfear [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Man, most grammar Nazis just settle for declaring holy war against the "your/you're" confusion. The "punctuation lying inside/outside the quotation marks" activist is a rare sight indeed. |
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| Author: | theunrelentingattack [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I won't reject for the punctuation thing but I sure will for your/you're. There/their |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Punctuation goes inside the quotation marks. It's a weird convention, but that's the rule. Dialogue is no different. Even a quote within a quote is no different. Personally I dislike it, and have tried to "fight the power", <--- BOOYAH! .. but as a good friend of mine said, "I see what you're saying, but it just makes it look like you don't know what you're doing." |
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| Author: | MutantClannfear [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
If you fight the powah for long enough, you become the powah. Refer to how the UK stopped with all their "milliard" and "trilliard" nonsense once they realized they were fighting a losing battle with their stupid counting rules. |
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:04 pm ] |
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MutantClannfear wrote: Man, most grammar Nazis just settle for declaring holy war against the "your/you're" confusion. The "punctuation lying inside/outside the quotation marks" activist is a rare sight indeed. No rest! Never surrender!
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| Author: | MutantClannfear [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Holy shit, that gives me a great idea. Somebody needs to start a NSBM band but replace all anti-Semitic/racist sentiment in the lyrics with persecution of people who don't conform to English grammar conventions. Fuck it, I'll start working on it myself tomorrow. |
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:51 am ] |
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Haha, that would be brilliant. If you'd like some help with the lyrics (gotta make sure they're grammatically correct, after all), I'll be here.
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:04 am ] |
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American vs Rest of the world nazi black metal grammar conventions will be the East Coast vs West Coast rap conflict of our time. |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
For the meager few it concerns, I have given up my frontline position in the war against the attrition of grammar Nazis. Call me a traitor, call me a turncoat, do as you wish. Ride high, ride tall, punctuation-within-the-quotations will never fall! |
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| Author: | Lord_Brendan [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:34 am ] |
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MutantClannfear wrote: Holy shit, that gives me a great idea. Somebody needs to start a NSBM band but replace all anti-Semitic/racist sentiment in the lyrics with persecution of people who don't conform to English grammar conventions. Fuck it, I'll start working on it myself tomorrow. Haha! That is a great idea. |
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| Author: | iamntbatman [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I definitely support the concept of GNBM and various conflicting regional scenes. I imagine the American GNBM scene would be viewed worldwide in the same ironic light of comedy as the Slavic NS bands are currently. |
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| Author: | TheMirroringShadow [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
If my review is pending for several days. Could that be an indicator that it's borderline and a type of indirect warning for me to cancel and rewrite it. Like a subtle way of making it obvious to me that I risk rejection and point reduction? Sounds a bit far fetched maybe. But most of my "solid" reviews were accepted in max 1-2 days while the lackluster/borderline quality ones usually remained in the queue for a while. Thoughts on this, or am I playing mind games with myself? |
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| Author: | iamntbatman [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Reviews remain in the queue for a while for a variety of reasons, the most common of which is "we just haven't gotten to it yet." The queues can sometimes get quite long and the staff are only human after all. |
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