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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:12 pm ] |
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Conniver wrote: Annihilation by Kublai Khan? Been rejected a couple of times for technical and grammatical errors but I'm having difficulty spotting them out. Notes in spoiler.
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| Author: | raspberrysoda [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:10 am ] |
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Hi guys, I'm not very confident about this review (it's unfinished) and I'll be really happy to get some advice on what's wrong with it/what could be written better/etc:
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:50 pm ] |
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raspberrysoda wrote: (it's unfinished)
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| Author: | raspberrysoda [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:05 pm ] |
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Grave_Wyrm wrote: Rework the flow of ideas. This is one of the things that annoy me the most with my latest reviews.. how can I do that? Grave_Wyrm wrote: I'm interested in hearing more about the reinterpreted traditional warsongs and more about the album's atmosphere. Three adjectives doesn't quite cut it for me. Should I use a thesaurus or something like that? Because I ran out of ideas for adjectives that can fit in that review. |
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| Author: | Stenkth [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:53 am ] |
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I made a review for Necromantia's debut: Crossing the Fiery Path, can you help me telling me if this is fine? Review Title: Crossing the Boring Path Rate: 60% Musically speaking, Necromantia's debut is not weak at all; however, it has a lot of moments that make it quite tedious. The Greek band played a somehow slow black metal music, which sounds a bit weak (considering that by 1993 Immortal and Darkthrone have already released extreme black metal albums). Great features in this album include the 8-string bass, which sounds like a downtuned guitar, and a quite enjoyable vocal work, even though vocals here aren't as shrieky as they are supposed to be under the standards of the 90's black metal. But unfortunately, the songs in this album are filled with overlong melodic passages that result quite boring and ended up affecting the quality of the compositions featured herein. Maybe the band tried to make the music sound evil and dark. Rather, the songs sound like a lame instrumental soundtrack for a bad horror movie about vampires and werewolves in Transylvania. The most forgettable part of this album is the almost 12 minutes long instrumental section that comprises the second half of "Warlock" and the shitty, boring instrumental "Last Song for Valdezie", as well. But fortunately, after all this waste of time, the album comes back with the 8-string bass, the cool, not so shrieky vocals that helped the music in this album sound good. The best song in this album is "Les Litanies de Satan", which on 9 minutes combines the clean and shrieky vocals, the instrumental passages (which sound fine in this song), and a Transylvannian evil atmosphere. Finally, the closing track is more of the same boring stuff: dull atmospheric music that sounds like a gothic lament instead of a black metal song or an evil outro. Therefore, it has nothing to do with the album. If this album has been released in 1989 or 1991, it would result amazing and very influential to many bands, but it was released in 1993, a year in which albums like "Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism", "Under a Funeral Moon" or "Tol Cormpt Norz" were released, so this album meant nothing to the genre. And although this is not a bad album, it is ruined by the aforementioned overlong and boring monents. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:13 am ] |
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raspberrysoda wrote: Grave_Wyrm wrote: Rework the flow of ideas. This is one of the things that annoy me the most with my latest reviews.. how can I do that? Have a look at this handout on transitions for a general explanation. I recommend that students avail themselves of their resources, so do look around here and at Purdue OWL. There's truly no harm in learning. raspberrysoda wrote: Grave_Wyrm wrote: I'm interested in hearing more about the reinterpreted traditional warsongs and more about the album's atmosphere. Three adjectives doesn't quite cut it for me. Should I use a thesaurus or something like that? Because I ran out of ideas for adjectives that can fit in that review. One of the more endearing things you've written. A thesaurus is going to give you synonyms, so .. yes, you should use one as often as possible. They can be, however, misleading deathtraps of vile pretentiousness. They're tools of exploration more than anything else. The dictionary is your bedrock, but be sure to find one that discerns among clusters of synonyms. There's really nothing like precise language to get your point across. That said, I'm not talking about a thesaurus per se, or asking for a different string of descriptors. I'm talking about illustrating the album's atmosphere with description. EDIT: Stenkth wrote: Necromantia's debut: Crossing the Fiery Path, can you help me telling me if this is fine? I'm not a moderator, but from where I'm standing, it's not fine. Notes in spoiler.
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| Author: | raspberrysoda [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:10 am ] |
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I changed and added a few things: (sorry for not removing the HTML tags this time)
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:16 pm ] |
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raspberrysoda wrote: I changed and added a few things: (sorry for not removing the HTML tags this time) It's actually better to have them there. Saves me time in asking that they be put in, plus saves you time in hunting them down. We both win.
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| Author: | raspberrysoda [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:01 pm ] |
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Thanks a lot G_W. I uploaded the final draft of the review and it's enqueued now. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:16 pm ] |
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:08 pm ] |
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Alright Grave_Wyrm (or anyone who'd like to help, but it seems like G_W is the king of the feedback thread), I've had this in the works for a little while now, and it'll complete my set of reviews for Overkill's first 5. I jumped the gun big-time in this thread last time, but I'm going to leave this here and work it through a bunch of times. I'm going to start really putting some effort into these from now on. Hopefully this can be the start of the next phase of sc2112. Anyway, The Years of Decay, here you go:
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| Author: | ~Guest 366798 [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:28 pm ] |
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My review for Asspera's EP, Pija, got rejected due to my poor grammar, so if anyone can give me a hand it would be great. Here's the review:
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
stainedclass2112 wrote: but it seems like G_W is the king of the feedback thread Heh. Hardly. I'm a citizen. I'll get back to the review itself later, but I was on a smelly, noisy train and I had no problems reading it. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series, particularly if you can maintain the thoughtful treatment of each of the albums. Consider themes that you can use to tie the series into a general cohesion, and ways you can avoid the pitfalls of redundancy as you move forward with the others. It looks like a lot of the jumpiness/anxiety has gone, and we're left with a writer who seems quite comfortable. Keep up the good momentum. In the meantime, I'm curious if you have any notes you'd give to yourself. |
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| Author: | Erosion of Humanity [ Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:28 pm ] |
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MetalMuxxer wrote: My review for Asspera's EP, Pija, got rejected due to my poor grammar, so if anyone can give me a hand it would be great. Here's the review:
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Thanks for any help. Just at a quick glance you need to learn proper sentence structure. You have ridiculously long run-on sentences here. Instead of using like 15 commas use two or three periods. |
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:00 pm ] |
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Grave_Wyrm wrote: I'll get back to the review itself later, but I was on a smelly, noisy train and I had no problems reading it. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series, particularly if you can maintain the thoughtful treatment of each of the albums. Consider themes that you can use to tie the series into a general cohesion, and ways you can avoid the pitfalls of redundancy as you move forward with the others. It looks like a lot of the jumpiness/anxiety has gone, and we're left with a writer who seems quite comfortable. Keep up the good momentum. In the meantime, I'm curious if you have any notes you'd give to yourself. Notes for myself? Well, on this review, I'm actually pleased with how the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs turned out. I think my intro paragraph is decent, but it could use some cleaning up. Same applies to the closing, it's a bit clunky. I'll work them through a little bit, but the final body paragraph is the one I'm really not happy with. I do list my only problems with the album in that paragraph, but to my mind it feels a bit lacking. I've had this problem before - a decent first few paragraphs positively describing the album but then a negative paragraph trainwreck. It's so bad that I even prepare for it every time. "Alright, I think that puts things nicely. Now, lets see if I can whip up a passable final paragraph." I think I need to change up my plans when it comes to these. And right now, I'm taking a break with my Buckethead series. I'm going to go tackle a bunch of my favorite and not-so-favorite classics to really hone my writing down before I continue all that. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:03 am ] |
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stainedclass2112 wrote: the final body paragraph is the one I'm really not happy with. I do list my only problems with the album in that paragraph, but to my mind it feels a bit lacking. I've had this problem before - a decent first few paragraphs positively describing the album but then a negative paragraph trainwreck. It's so bad that I even prepare for it every time. Something flaccid this way comes. Yeah, I see what you mean. I think it's mostly in the transitions. If you can find ways to relax into saying what you dislike without going too far, I think it gives the review a good ballast. I like that you're starting to use fewer words in your descriptions. It makes it much easier to read, and your descriptions have more room to unfold. I guess that boils down to, "you're making better use of the space," if that's not too art-douche a phrase. As far as the Buckethead reviews, I think they would benefit from an almost formalized format. I said that they were same-y, but don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean inimaginatively uniform, I mean reliable. If you give them a trimmed, neat format with very little fat, I'm sure you'll find rhythmic I liked the recurring theme of Bucketbot and other in-group terms like that. It might be cool if they sounded almost episodic (without getting too gimmicky); it kind of reminded me of short kids shows, which gave it a nice nostalgic feel to it. |
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:18 pm ] |
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You saying that about the Buckethead reviews shows that I'm actually accomplishing what I'm trying to do with them, at least for the most part. I want them to go together without being a "Buckethead review: part 1 of 280" type thing. I go for a bit of a, can I say, cartoonish feel on those to not only fit the whole "bucketheadland" charade but to seem like a guide. Not as a in-depth reviewer going deep into each one, but as a tour guide pointing out what you'll find on this pike or that pike. I try to tie in lots of references, phrases, and those little terms like Bucketbot. I think if I can apply what you're saying and really strengthen them all up as a whole, I'll be able to finish them all off with a bit more impact. I'll go put together some positive and negative pike reviews and bring them here, along with a review of one of my favorite pre-pikes I've been working on. And a revised version of that Overkill review will be posted later if I can find the time. |
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:11 pm ] |
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With a wicked hurricane heading straight my way, college is cancelled and I've got a fudge-ton of time on my hands. So, here's my The Years of Decay review V.2. I trimmed the awkwardness out of that final body, intro, and outro paragraphs.
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I'm wondering if I should cut the "yous" and "yours" out of it. If it doesn't hurt the review, then I'll leave 'em be. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:03 pm ] |
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stainedclass2112 wrote: With a wicked hurricane heading straight my way, ... The Years of Decay Stay safe.
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stainedclass2112 wrote: I'm wondering if I should cut the "yous" and "yours" out of it. If it doesn't hurt the review, then I'll leave 'em be. Style is up to you. It's more important to have your commas sorted out. |
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:10 pm ] |
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Good Lord that review was full of more problems than I thought. I'm not going to let it slide like that. V.3 will be posted later, hopefully I won't need to take it even further. I'm trying to really set the bar high for myself and start off a new phase with strength, so I won't let those little problems run free. Thanks again, G_W, hopefully I'm not becoming a nuisance. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:14 pm ] |
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Not at all. Keep up the hard work. Every draft shows improvements, and that's the entire point. |
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| Author: | Fischer777 [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:23 pm ] |
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Hi everyone! I wrote a review for Sonata Arctica - The Ninth Hour, and it was rejected. Could you help me to improve the draft? Thanks! RECOVERING THEIR ARCTICAL MAGIC Rating 82% Since 2007's Unia, Sonata Arctica fans kept skeptical with what each new release could offer. The band's sound mutation was a rollercoaster going through the dark epic The Days Of Grays, the hard and experimental Stones Grow Her Name, and the melodic and melancholic Pariah's Child. As then, there wasn't big expectations about the new album, and the two first shared singles, as well good songs, didn't finish to please the old school fans. However, it's a relief that the whole album keep their predecessor ways, and surely they improved a lot. The remarkable spots in this album can be evaluated through four points: 1- Early 2000's era influences: Although the first two tracks have the typical soft-melodic modern Sonata Arctica sound elements (still good songs). Some tracks seems to be written in Winterheart's Guild and Reckoning Night eras. Fairytale is the first case: Powerful and emphatic, it sounds like Winterheart's Guild's Silver Tongue. Also with touches of the classic Sonata power metal patterns we find Till Death's Done Us Apart and Rise a Night. The first one with epicness and theathrical passages, and the second ones with an 100% power metal identity (classic double bass and fast harpsichord keyboards). The Ninth Hour also presents nostalgic atmospheres with mid-tempo singing. A mix of Gravenimage, Broken and The Boy Who Want To Be a Real Puppet aura can be found in Fly, Navigate, Communicate. 2- Better ballads songrwitting: I was surprised in this topic. We Are What We Are and Candle Lawns results more than satisfactory. With a clear Tallulah-style, both songs beats by far the weak Pariah's Child ballad, Love. With a simply but effective melodies, and catchy choruses, this topic marks a level up from the previous album. Only Among The Shooting Stars is a dispensable track. Absolutely forgettable. 3- Another great 10-minute symphonic opus: The most expected (and at same time, controversial) track probably is the second part of the 2004 epic Black Pearl, White Oceans. It really was a risky move. The original song was a truly masterpiece; the fact of making a second part would fans to expect another opus like that. It didn't happen of course. Then, this was a bad effort? Not at all. Musically, By The Grace Of The Ocean sounds more like a second part of Larger Than Life. A mid-tempo epic, with a magical melodic phrase chorus and a well nuanced orchestral arrangements results on a memorable song, although it is substantially different than the first part. 4- The mix: The weak part. Still better than Pariah's Child, the band should improve in this topic. Vocal arrangements and rhythm guitars sounds so distant, and drums still sound a bit plastic. After 3 or 4 listens, it's more than clear that The Ninth Hour is the post-Unia album with the stronger influences from Sonata's 2003-04 era. It comes like a fresh air in the Sonata's history, as a perfect blend of 100% Sonata Arctica sound. Not their best album, but definitely another step in their right direction. |
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| Author: | Metantoine [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:39 pm ] |
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Well, your English is super clunky. Sentences like this one are definitely not acceptable as far as English is concerned: Quote: As then, there wasn't big expectations about the new album, and the two first shared singles, as well good songs, didn't finish to please the old school fans. I'm not totally sure about the format of the review (the four points) but that's a secondary concern. |
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| Author: | Erosion of Humanity [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:16 pm ] |
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I'd get rid of the numbers, it doesn't look good or flow well. You can still make all those points without numbering them off. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:45 pm ] |
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Fischer777 wrote: Sonata Arctica - The Ninth Hour Messrs. Canada and Humanity have pointed out the the main offenses. The content is pretty good, and the general outline has a decent flow. I liked how many comparisons you made to other albums, although it would help to include the names of the bands who produced them. Numbering your sections is unnecessary, since they're basically just paragraphs. That aside, if your formatting gets an overhaul and the language comprehension can be improved enough to clear the English hurdle, I'd say you're off to a decent start. |
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| Author: | HRZ [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:29 am ] |
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Good day everyone. My review below was once rejected for capitalizing words that were not proper nouns. I fixed any I could find and resubmitted but it was rejected again since apparently I still missed something. I made sure only the band/person names and track titles are capitalized. I'd really appreciate it if you point out what I am still missing.
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:19 am ] |
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It's really disjointed. Your thoughts are all over the place and almost every point you make only gets one or two sentences before it jerkily moves on to the next point. It's like we're talking about this album at a bar while a band is playing and you're drunk and distracted, and I'm sober and trying to listen to the band. Read almost anyone else's reviews for comparison. |
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| Author: | HRZ [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:22 am ] |
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Thank you for your input. I guess what you say is true and the reason for that is probably since I am trying to keep the review short and to the point. Others have already done lengthy reviews for the same album, I am mostly trying to offer an opinion from a different point of view. The issue at hand is some capitalization issue that I have missed. I was specifically instructed to post the review in this thread and get the issue resolved before submitting it again. I reckon I can edit the review later and make it more concrete if it is accepted, but without doing what the moderator asked, it will not be accepted at all. |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:54 am ] |
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Actually, I see what you mean about that phrase being structured like a song title. Grave_Wyrm's recommendations are to help you improve, not necessarily make the review meet the minimum standard. That said the two "meat and potatoes" paragraphs are a glorified track-by-track rundown. Rework that and resubmit. |
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| Author: | HRZ [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:47 pm ] |
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Okay, thank you for the clarification. I should think of a better way to write those parts and when I fixed it, I will resubmit the review. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:43 pm ] |
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HRZ wrote: Thank you for your input. I guess what you say is true and the reason for that is probably since I am trying to keep the review short and to the point. Minimum standards are up to a moderator. From my perspective, the review has problems beyond the specific reasons it was rejected. Being short and to the point is a good objective. This review, however, isn't "to the point" because the point is difficult to identify. Your paragraphs aren't organized clearly and the general outline is tangled. The track-by-track nature of the latter half is also problematic. Formatting also needs work: songs get quotation marks, album titles get italicized. It looks like you got the capitalization errors taken care of, though. I see what you're going for: a relatively brief, compact description that doesn't spend much time on any one thing. I think your objective is a good idea, but brief reviews can be difficult. If anything, it can be a lot shorter. Have a look at most of TheStormIRide's for an example of how to do short format effectively. |
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| Author: | MasterofAlchemy [ Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:41 am ] |
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Hi! I also wrote a review for The Ninth Hour, new album from Sonata Arctica. But it was rejected twice, and I was advised to search for some help here. I'm not an very skilled english speaker, so I really would like to ask for your help for this review to be accepted! Glad for a topic like this exists. Tnx everyone! Title: It's good to be slow! Rate: 98% Since Sonata Arctica is one of my all-time favorite power metal bands, as soon as the reviews for the album begun to pop out in the internet I started to read them, longing for the new album to come. And, like the other albums since Unia, what I've found was a lot of people complaining about how Sonata doesn't have fast songs, fast solos, fast guitars, fast drums and fast keyboards anymore, like in their first albums, painting this new one as an uninspired effort of a tired band. Seriously, is this all that matters? It pisses me off. Not because I don't like fast songs or the first albums, quite the opposite. Ecliptica, Silence, Winterhearts and Reckoning are masterpieces, symbolizing much of what power metal was around 1999-2004, and I listen very often to all of them, even in chronological order, one by one, without skipping a single track. But Sonata is more than just double bass or guitar/keys shredding, and this new album came to prove that again. There is much more than speed in the Sonata Arctica’s music, as a whole. Their albums, The Ninth Hour being not an exception, are a testimony of beauty, balance, passion and emotion. All of these elements were well used to craft another really good and exceptional album, maybe the better one since The Days of Grays. It is needless to say about the album background. If you've been reading some reviews or band interviews so far, you may already be quite familiar with that. But its very worth mentioning that, as the lyrical concept seems to become more "complex" and variate in this work, the artwork seems to go in the same direction, showing us some kind of puzzle that holds the entire spirit of the album, besides being one of the most beautiful front covers of all of Sonata Arctica's albums. For the music itself, it has the same thing every previous Sonata’s album has, which is, like mentioned, beauty, balance, passion and emotion. Although the first albums translated those elements with faster songs than the last ones, that elements are always present in a Sonata Arctica album. The opening track, Closer to an Animal, is a good briefing of what's coming. It is a "slow", midpace song, focused much more on the vocal melodies and ambientation, being as well the lyrical heart of the album. All instruments, rhythm and lead, are combined into one big atmosphere, moving as one, and sometimes showing us some different nuances between them, to keep the entire system flowing. Giving the first audition in the album, some songs will certainly be easier to remember than others, like Life, with its "La lala la lalalalalala" chorus, one of the best parts of the entire album; or the little harpsichord shred after the solos in Fairytale; the pessimistic lyrics of We Are What We Are; the theatrical performance in Till Death’s Done Us Apart (“ding dong, ding dong”), which is an instant classic; the fast Rise a Night, with more harpsichord and very melodic vocals; the progressive pace of Fly, Navigate, Communicate, with a really good scream from Tony Kakko, maybe the best he has ever recorded; or the little hint of the original song in White Pearl, Black Oceans part II. But what I found to be more fantastic about Sonata Arctica is that even the songs that you don't pay much attention at first will slowly grow on you sometime later, without you even realizing that. Songs like Among the Shooting Stars, Candle Lawns and On the Faultline passed quite unnoticed at first. But in a week, I've found myself singing them while walking the street, doing my job, waiting an elevator or taking a shower. Their melodies are beautiful, and this make these songs so peculiar. There would be many other considerations we could do here about each of the songs in this work, but I'm not very fond to the track-by-track reviewing. I'll not enter in the considerations about the mixing or production of the album too, because I don't have proper knowledge to do this, besides for me the album sounds great, with all the instruments and the voice very audible. So, we have one of the best Sonata Arctica albums in years, being an excellent follow up to Pariah's Child and easily rivaling with Unia and The Days of Grays. It's hard to compare it with the albums prior to those, because the band has changed their music direction so drastically at this point, and that would be unfair to both sides. I still admire and love all phases of the band and enjoy every album they have released so far, with this new one being not an exception. It’s an album full of what made me like Sonata Arctica in the first place: beauty, balance, emotion and passion. I will be singing along these songs for a long, long while. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:57 pm ] |
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MasterofAlchemy wrote: The Ninth Hour, new album from Sonata Arctica. Notes in spoiler.
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:03 am ] |
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Alright Mr. Grave_Wyrm (or again, anyone willing to help), I'm back with the third version of the Overkill review. I tried working with the economy of language and really streamlining exactly what I'm meaning as opposed to what I'm just writing down. I also happen to be taking a writing class in college now, so this timing is perfect. The paragraph that you said had a tapeworm in it, well, the entire paragraph ended up being a tapeworm to the entire review. I was able to narrow it down to 4 paragraphs and I think this is a big improvement. Apologies for the delay, my life has become rather busy as of late. I have maybe one or two nitpicks with it, but hopefully this is progress:
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:05 am ] |
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stainedclass2112 wrote: The paragraph that you said had a tapeworm in it, well, the entire paragraph ended up being a tapeworm to the entire review.
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| Author: | MasterofAlchemy [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:18 am ] |
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Grave_Wyrm, thanks for the tips, I really appreciate it!!! I'll work hard on this review and post the new draft here, for sure. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:58 pm ] |
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I believe in you, MasterofAlchemy. stainedclass2112, I'll be able to get to yours later on today, I think. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:21 pm ] |
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stainedclass2112 wrote: Alright Mr. Grave_Wyrm ... hopefully this is progress: Mr. Wyrm, if you please. We're very formal and high-waisted in this thread.
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| Author: | stainedclass2112 [ Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I was planning on just doing some quick edits and careful proofreading before submitting it, but your analysis there gave me an idea. I'll have an adjusted version, that may or may not end up being the best version, up later. Best to make sure my sword is as sharp as possible before marching into battle. So let me ask something. One thing I generally try to avoid when writing these is acknowledging opposing opinions. I've seen so many cases of the reviewer going on a tangent about "those who say this about the album are wrong because blah blah blah" or something similar - all without making a very good write-up for the album. However, if I have a decent description and body about the album itself (which I think I've got here with this review) in the first place, would adding in a paragraph acknowledging and refuting those differing opinions be beneficial? Or would it be a tapeworm (I love that term, so using it from now on)? I could always just not really mention the few problems I have with it, I'm giving the album a 92% and I only have minor nitpicks with the record. However, that leaves my review at 3 paragraphs. I'm thinking that I can efficiently knock out the problem of the weak closing paragraph and my weak descriptions of the album's few weaknesses if I add in a paragraph like this. My alternate version would have identical opening and first body paragraphs, then a paragraph addressing the problems AND refuting some of the negative opinions before the current 3rd paragraph becoming my closer. Am I looking to hard into this? Or am I on to something that might end up helping my approach in the future? If I can find a way to consistently string together my points naturally while beefing up with good descriptions, I think I'll be able to take my next step towards becoming a good reviewer. The problem is finding what I am doing wrong and finding what I can do to spice up my construction. And again, thanks so much Mr. Wyrm. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
stainedclass2112 wrote: Am I looking to hard into this? Or am I on to something that might end up helping my approach in the future? If I can find a way to consistently string together my points naturally while beefing up with good descriptions, I think I'll be able to take my next step towards becoming a good reviewer. The problem is finding what I am doing wrong and finding what I can do to spice up my construction. And again, thanks so much Mr. Wyrm. You're ever so welcome, Mr. Class ("Mr. Stained" seemed too snarky, although if you're into it I'll certainly oblige, and you've shown such class lately, I felt that was more appropriate). I'm here to help. I don't think you're looking too hard into it. Quite the opposite. You're attending to the less easily described elements of personal style with an eye toward refinement. This is always worth a hard look. Give your idea a try. It's a worthy objective to get into some solid, level-headed refuting and a natural stringing together of ideas. I agree that people usually only bring up their opposing camp in order to hastily set it on fire, and that's an easy target. I like that you want to up the ante and take a different, personal approach. Give it a shot! Hypothesis testing is time well spent. |
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