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| Author: | BastardHead [ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
No, you've always had a shitty attitude in this thread (and this isn't your only review to be rejected or asked about here so don't play the victim being bullied over one review). I wouldn't have said what Zodi did, but lashing back like that is something I was honestly waiting to happen with how obviously you've been teeming with irritation over the review process. We asked you to clean up a few things in a few other reviews and every time you post about it here there's some passive aggressive bullshit about how we're taking too long to approve it and it's so unfair or the mods should just write it for you or you're about to just quit altogether or defending against the criticism with "well this is the only way I know how to do it so no". Basically just grow up and roll with it, this isn't that difficult of a process. |
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| Author: | TrooperEd [ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
BastardHead wrote: No, you've always had a shitty attitude in this thread (and this isn't your only review to be rejected or asked about here so don't play the victim being bullied over one review). I wouldn't have said what Zodi did, but lashing back like that is something I was honestly waiting to happen with how obviously you've been teeming with irritation over the review process. We asked you to clean up a few things in a few other reviews and every time you post about it here there's some passive aggressive bullshit about how we're taking too long to approve it and it's so unfair or the mods should just write it for you or you're about to just quit altogether or defending against the criticism with "well this is the only way I know how to do it so no". Basically just grow up and roll with it, this isn't that difficult of a process. I meant of the very recent batch that has been rejected. And taking too long to approve OR reject it. Cue all future reviews being instantly rejected out of spite. |
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| Author: | Derigin [ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
TrooperEd wrote: Here's the fucking problem, ITS MOTORHEAD! There's only one sentence you can say about it. "It's Motorhead, it's rock & roll." THIS. This is the big issue with your reviews writ large, and one reason why I would personally be in favor of instituting the requirement that users have a certain number of reviews published here before they could write a review for a massively popular album or band. Your review, while barely and regretfully acceptable, is pretty much that sentence padded with fluff. It's the stereotypical ramblings of a fanboy reiterating the same tired, elementary arguments for why an album is or isn't popular and good. But, unfortunately for us, instead of just relying on the just-as-equivalent one sentence conclusions so many other folks would have made about these bands and their albums (ie. "It's Motorhead, it's rock & roll.") you typically do enough at describing the music that your reviews are unfortunately acceptable. That said, and as you readily admit, this review is an example where you suffer to find the filler to pad it. Like you said, though unlike so many other reviewers of the same album, you somehow "can't really say anything else without going into a track-by-track review." The reason track-by-track reviews are discouraged is because they DO act as filler; "this track is great" "this track is not great" "this track is awful"... that doesn't serve to tell us anything of value. Ultimately that's not a review, it's just a survey, and a survey that presumes we somehow can read your mind and understand what makes something "great" "awful" "subpar" "generic" and a whole slew of other meaningless buzzwords. But again, you rectified that for the most part to make it barely passable. I imagine you'll do the same following the edits Zodi gave above. But don't act surprised and butthurt when your reviews get nitpicked like this or require time to assess. They ride that line between what is acceptable and what isn't and you hardly put in any effort to move beyond that. EDIT: Also all this whining you're doing lately isn't helping your case. |
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| Author: | TrooperEd [ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Derigin wrote: This is the big issue with your reviews writ large, and one reason why I would personally be in favor of instituting the requirement that users have a certain number of reviews published here before they could write a review for a massively popular album or band. I'm....not 100% opposed to this idea. It will certainly encourage others to write reviews for less reviewed albums. I've also wondered whether there is a cutoff point for massively reviewed albums. Like say "this album has 55 reviews, no one is allowed to review it anymore. Contrarian opinion or otherwise." I guess my frustration with that Bomber review was that after it got rejected the first time I let it sit for awhile before taking another crack at it, and then, not really knowing what to do to try and make it work coming up with that last paragraph only for it to still not work as "enough musical content." I do try to make an effort to find more object descriptive words rather than subject descriptive ones. But one can only do so much with a limited knowledge of musical instruments. And I'm not using that as an excuse either. I do want to become more musically literate for the sake of bettering my reviews. But you know, $$$ |
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| Author: | BastardHead [ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
TrooperEd wrote: I've also wondered whether there is a cutoff point for massively reviewed albums. Like say "this album has 55 reviews, no one is allowed to review it anymore. Contrarian opinion or otherwise." There used to be an unspoken soft cap of 25 where after then the review had better be damn good or offer a drastically new perspective. At least by the time I was modded (so middle of 2012) and I could actually see internal discussion, that was very clearly done away with because it's simply not fair to users who weren't around earlier. The fact that Gutterscream and Napero could be N_S's parents shouldn't mean he can't review the same albums. And yes, even though I understand and agree with the rule 100%, it's still physically painful to accept to fiftieth Rust in Peace review. |
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| Author: | TrooperEd [ Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
BastardHead wrote: offer a drastically new perspective. That's pretty much the only reason I attempted to do Paranoid, because I figured I had one. The whole "Tony Iommi detuned from the very beginning because of his finger accident" is a big misconception, and considering Paranoid, the biggest Black Sabbath album ever was one of the Sabbath albums that isn't detuned, I figure I'd base my short and sweet review based around that rather than "Iron Man is overplayed, Planet Caravan sucks, Electric Funeral rulz!" for the 42069th time. |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
TrooperEd wrote: Go piss on an electric generator you sad sack of cunt. You are very, very lucky that you weren't banned for this post, or more specifically that I missed this entire exchange. |
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| Author: | simonitro [ Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Hello all, Could anyone help me proofread my review to Metallica's Master of Puppets?
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It got rejected twice for its grammar. I tried to fix them but need your help. Thanks in advanced, Simonitro. |
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| Author: | Tanuki [ Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Quote: When it comes to Master of Puppets, it’s either hailed as the greatest thing in existence or the most overrated piece-of-crap ever made. I’m supporting the latter, which is indeed a very overrated album. Master of Puppets is either considered the greatest thing in existence or an overrated piece of crap - I support the latter idea. Quote: The band is using cheap tricks like overly extending the song just to give the impression that it’s “EPIC!!!”. For instance, “Disposable Heroes”, despite the best song here, have 3 overlong choruses which go on and on until the song gets to an 8 minute mark. I feel that Metallica has artificially lengthened their tracks for the sake of creating an epic scale. Even my favorite track, 'Disposable Heroes', I resent for repeating its chorus three times - a prime example of this illusory scale. Quote: “The Things That Should Not Be” is a terrible, boring and plodding song which goes on forever even if it’s one of the shortest songs here and Hetfield doesn’t help when it feels so robotic. 'The Thing That Should Not Be' is another culprit of a tiresome song structure, and the feeling of crushing monotony is not helped by Hetfield's lack of energy. --- So in general, try to shorten your sentences so they're more concise and flowing, and ditch the filler. For instance, "Speaking of ____", is kinda fluffy - the reader already knows what you've been speaking of. Also, watch out for what your spellchecker won't catch, like Ride the Lightening. I personally like to avoid using All Caps, and instead use Italics. (Surround whatever you want to say with <i> and </i> in case you didn't know) Finally, just as a general tip, mods are going to be less forgiving if you're reviewing an album that's been reviewed a lot already, or if you're expressing adversative opinions that are difficult to sell, so you're gonna want to bring your a-game. But take everything I say with a grain of salt; I only started reviewing a few weeks ago. Best of luck man! |
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| Author: | navas015cbg [ Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
First of all I salute you and thank you in advance for your help. My Vreid's debut album review got rejected twice because of its content. I need your help to polish it I guess. The text I tried to submit is this:
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| Author: | Erosion of Humanity [ Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Well you really don't need the history lesson at the beginning but there isn't anything inherently wrong with it, just more of an annoyance factor. You have not separated your second and third paragraphs, that needs to be done. The review is still lacking in musical description, to me, add some more. You say this is one of your favorite albums so I wouldn't imagine that being too difficult. Lastly don't say "hails" at the end. What the hell is it with people needing to constantly say this? Do you walk up to strangers on the street and greet them as such? Surely not I would hope..... anyway more of a general rant against the lameness of it than you specifically. |
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| Author: | navas015cbg [ Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
haha, allright. I used the "history lesson" at the beginning because I thought it to be important, considering it was their debut album. About the hails, you are right that it's out of place in a review. It's kind of a heavy metal comrades salute for the internet, but yeah, it can be annoying I guess. Thanks for your answer. |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
The "Hails" thing is fine, but the review is too short and self-referential. Remember that your duty is to review the album in question. Mentioning pertinent aspects of the band's history is fine, but it shouldn't make up the majority of the review. This is also somewhat short. Needs to go into greater depth. |
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| Author: | gasmask_colostomy [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
The greatest problem that I'm seeing with most of the recent rejected reviews posted on this thread is that there is some general description, but not enough specific description of how the music actually sounds. That means not only saying things like "this is pure black 'n' roll", but describing where <i>this</i> album in question falls <i>within</i> the black 'n' roll subgenre, such as what kind of riffs we're hearing, the pace of the songs, the character of the solos, the tone of the singer's voice - little things that will make me able to imagine the album you're talking about. If I can think of some advice about how to do that, I would say it's important to listen closely, use plenty of adjectives, and compare between songs, albums, or even different bands. But above all, always remember to be specfic. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
And read the rules. |
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| Author: | 408Lurker [ Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Hi guys, I recently submitted this review for the new Void Meditation Cult LP, Utter the Tongue of the Dead. It got (rightfully) rejected for falling apart and getting off-topic halfway through. I revised it and tried to focus it more on describing the sounds/music itself. The review is still pending and I figure it's just in a backlog and you guys haven't gotten to it yet -- but I'd like to hear some thoughts about my revised version of the review.
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| Author: | RapeTheDead [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
The one thing that strikes me right off the bat is that the line breaks are too frequent. Not that the whole thing should be a giant wall of text or anything, but I generally try to abide by the rule of thumb that a paragraph should be somewhere around six or seven sentences minimum, and that's if they're fairly long sentences. To help you see what I mean, I did a quick little re-arranging of the review without really altering any of the content (I did make some very minor grammatical changes):
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Your description is decent enough, and I imagine it's acceptable (although I'm not a moderator so don't quote me on that). I would encourage you to try and do a couple of things, though: you use "dark, ritualistic atmosphere" as a descriptor multiple times, and it does get a bit repetitive. What might help is thinking up some different adjectives to use to describe the sound (comparing them to a band other than Beherit might help with this). Also, you've mentioned that Void Meditation Cult's atmosphere isn't particularly interesting or attention-grabbing, but why is that the case? Beherit certainly has a very minimal, "ritualistic" feel to their atmosphere as well. What makes Beherit work where Void Meditation Cult doesn't? You mentioned "songwriting chops" at the end, but maybe expand on that a little more. You've got a good skeleton for your review, you just need to flesh it out and go a bit deeper. Hope that helps. I don't give review feedback often so maybe other regulars here might have stronger advice more directly conducive to acceptance. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Good response, RTD. The review is disorganized and poorly formatted. Musical description, while scattered, is on the right track as far as content, but only ends up referring us to a different album for context. The review needs to provide that context. Listen to RTD. |
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| Author: | 408Lurker [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Thanks guys, I agree RTD hit the nail on the head. The feedback is much appreciated! On a side note, can a mod please reject my review (/id/186863) so I can revise it? |
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| Author: | MatsBG [ Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I'm not one hundred percent sure that I'm posting this question in the right thread, but I couldn't find any other threads to post this in. Basically, I want to review Manilla Road's 2015 album The Blessed Curse, but because of the nature of its release, I'm a little bit confused on how I should review it. The album was released as a two disc album, no single disc version exists, but according to the booklet, the second disc is a bonus disc. If I were to review the album, would it be to assume that only the first disc would be relevant, or, since the album only exists as a two disc package, that the album is both discs? Is the album both discs, or is the album just disc one? Would it then be approved to review just one disc, or would it be seen as an incomplete review? |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Do what you want, just be clear about it. If you're only sticking to disc 1, say so. Jophelerx reviewed the whole enchilada, and based on that review I will probably never listen to this album. |
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| Author: | MatsBG [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:41 pm ] |
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Grave_Wyrm wrote: Do what you want, just be clear about it. If you're only sticking to disc 1, say so. Jophelerx reviewed the whole enchilada, and based on that review I will probably never listen to this album. Got it! Thanks for the reply. |
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| Author: | theunrelentingattack [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
That said, I think it's pretty silly to review an album and not review the entire thing. I could understand if there was a 1-disc version available and that's the one you bought. But it's a two disc album, so you should review a two disc album. That would be like stopping half way through a regular 1-disc record and forming your opinion on just that first half. I'd hope you wouldn't do that, so why is this any different? |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I thought about that, too, but this isn't 'The Wall', for example. I also think it would be weird to only review one of the two, but if that's the author's choice, it might be a bad choice, but it's not against any rule, exactly. It's just a bad idea, of which there are plenty. Just make sure to mention that there is a second disc, but it's being overlooked for no particularly good reason. |
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| Author: | BastardHead [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I probably wouldn't catch it if he didn't mention it since I'm not familiar with that album, but I'm with TUA on this one as a general rule. It's sort of like only reviewing one side of a split. If no single disc version exists, then theoretically there's no reason you shouldn't have that second disc regardless of whether you bought it or downloaded it or just listened to it on youtube. I don't know how much of a "bonus disc" it really is if there's no version of the album that doesn't include it, ya know? |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
I do indeed. Personally, it's all or nothing for me. I don't see the point of only acknolwedging half of the release. That wouldn't occur to me, frankly. Maybe I hit my head or something and MatsBG enjoyed a moment of my distracted weakness. |
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| Author: | thefacilitator [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Hey folks, sorry about this one... It was requested that I edit my acronym's "bm" = black metal. I thought I edited it but I forgot to save draft and submitted it to the que without new edits. Sorry about that.... "Without a doubt, post-prison Varg Vikernes is not the same person as pre-prison Varg Vikernes (that goes without saying) and it is, I think, reflected in the music. This, of course, isn't immediately visible when listening to new bm gems Belus, Fallen and Umskiptar; I think of those more as the result of years of writing music in prison. But, Varg's latest 2 albums and batch of singles really lends itself to the theory that Varg is NOT the same person, he is not the same musician and thus his music is completely different. Varg has always been on a mission of sorts, but now, rather than the mission being focused on the anti-Christianity of early black metal days, Varg appears to be on a process of spiritual evolution, which is evidenced in the lyrics of Forgotten Realms. Check these out - "Fathers and mothers from ancient times. Ghosts from a forgotten world. With wonder they look upon me; What took you so long? I wander not in darkness. I am not lost, nor bewildered. The path is not hidden. The tracks are not old. I was here a moment ago. I am home. I am home. I am home." - DEEP. Varg is not lost, he is on a spiritual quest and through an understanding of the way of our ancient ancestors, he suggests, we also might find the way. All of this is a lot easier understood if you follow Thulean Perspective and read Varg's books exploring our ancient Nordic roots and ancient Nordic wisdom. But, I don't think you have to read any of this stuff or even care about Varg to appreciate this track. In all reality, this is not black metal. Sure, the entire song is lead by a fiery and psychedelic tremolo guitar but really, this tune is PSYCHEDELIC; If it was a whole hour piece I would definitely suggest taking something before this. Instead, it's just a 7 and a half minute little blurp into the mind of Varg and his continuing spiritual exploration. Forgotten Realms again features Varg's "talking" style of singing, which appears not to be too well liked. I generally enjoy the "talking" style, preferably in Norwegian but I think it is effective here and it allows the entire English-speaking world to comprehend the spiritual message. I do think, though, that the vox weren't particularly well-recorded here and they lose a little bit of the epic effect showcased on other tunes like Jóln and Gullaldr from Umskiptar. I will say this is a tune that definitely deserves a couple spins, for it's spiritual message alone but also because when I first listened to it, I was thinking "What is going on!?". This is definitely not a traditional Burzum tune, nor a traditional black metal tune... but with more listens and an open mind I think it can be appreciated. It may seem a little absurd but I read an interview with Marduk guitarist Morgan Hakansson where he mentioned two of the things that make black metal black metal: "Destruction" and "Spirituality". Destruction is more of a Marduk thing, but "Spirituality" is definitely what makes up the better black metal for me, Like Burzum and specifically this song Forgotten Realms." |
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| Author: | MatsBG [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
theunrelentingattack wrote: That said, I think it's pretty silly to review an album and not review the entire thing. I could understand if there was a 1-disc version available and that's the one you bought. But it's a two disc album, so you should review a two disc album. That would be like stopping half way through a regular 1-disc record and forming your opinion on just that first half. I'd hope you wouldn't do that, so why is this any different? Grave_Wyrm wrote: I thought about that, too, but this isn't 'The Wall', for example. I also think it would be weird to only review one of the two, but if that's the author's choice, it might be a bad choice, but it's not against any rule, exactly. It's just a bad idea, of which there are plenty. Just make sure to mention that there is a second disc, but it's being overlooked for no particularly good reason. BastardHead wrote: I probably wouldn't catch it if he didn't mention it since I'm not familiar with that album, but I'm with TUA on this one as a general rule. It's sort of like only reviewing one side of a split. If no single disc version exists, then theoretically there's no reason you shouldn't have that second disc regardless of whether you bought it or downloaded it or just listened to it on youtube. I don't know how much of a "bonus disc" it really is if there's no version of the album that doesn't include it, ya know? Grave_Wyrm wrote: I do indeed. Personally, it's all or nothing for me. I don't see the point of only acknolwedging half of the release. That wouldn't occur to me, frankly. Maybe I hit my head or something and MatsBG enjoyed a moment of my distracted weakness. Yeah, i see. It was mostly because of the way the album was released that I was confused, because the booklet states that the second disc is "bonus material", but as you all, myself included, said, is that there isn't a "regular one disc version". So the best option would maybe be to review the whole package, but to make clear that the album consists of bonus material in addition to the main album? Should I also rate them individually within the review and use a combined score? The reason that I'm asking is that I would love to hear feedback on what the best course of action would be. |
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| Author: | Metantoine [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:04 pm ] |
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Do what you want but yeah, review both discs or else it wouldn't be approved. Keep in mind that you must give a larger picture opposed to a track by track review. Considering this, I wouldn't give them individual ratings but it would still be acceptable if you do. Just listen to the whole album and write your thoughts, you're overthinking it. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:15 am ] |
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Metantoine wrote: review both discs or else it wouldn't be approved. Vital info. Thanks, Tony. |
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| Author: | MatsBG [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Metantoine wrote: Do what you want but yeah, review both discs or else it wouldn't be approved. Keep in mind that you must give a larger picture opposed to a track by track review. Considering this, I wouldn't give them individual ratings but it would still be acceptable if you do. Just listen to the whole album and write your thoughts, you're overthinking it. Thank you, much appreciated. |
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| Author: | Danny Desire [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:09 pm ] |
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At first, my review was accepted, but after I edited it, it was denied two times due to poor grammar, pretty much the same problem most people have been facing here. After a brief talk with Diamhea, he told me there were syntax problems, and instructed me to search for help on this thread.
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| Author: | MichaelGlowacki [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:42 pm ] |
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Black Funeral are a classic band in the Black Metal underground scene, their style is usually known as the raw, dark, evil and occult style of black metal with a few of ambient elements throughout their records. Now Black Funeral are back with a new album called Ankou and the Death Fire and a new style due to lineup changes, the best way to describe the new sound on this album will be a very classic sounding Black Metal record with a very dark, raw and evil sound. This record futures Azgorh from Drowning the Light doing all the instrumentation on this album and Akhtya Nachttoter doing vocals on this record, so to summarize the sound of this album imagine a Drowning the Light record with Black Funeral vocals on it. Now for some hardcore fans of this band's early work they might be disappointed with this release but I think there are many aspects of this album a Black Metal fan will enjoy to begin the drums have a Black Metal sound to it booming and loud drums but not too in your face to the point where it is distracting, the guitars have a very raw sharp sound but under the noisy shredding there are some really good riffs to be enjoyed here, the bass is very booming and raw and really add a lot of the darkness that this album has, the vocals are Black Funeral vocals business as usual very aggressive, raspy and evil sounding vocals on this record that really give the songs a whole new layer of atmosphere and finally the ambient elements, I think the ambients really make this album special it really gives it that dark occult atmosphere with the sheer evil sounding instrumental. Overall I think this record is very enjoyable and though a Black Funeral fan might be disappointed with the new style I still think this on this album there is some very great aspects to take away from a release like this, even though they change up the style I still highly recommend this record to any Black Metal fans some really sensational stuff to be had with this album, for a score I am going to give it an 85% out of 100% Some really good stuff on this album guys, that is going to conclude my review thanks for reading and Michael out. |
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| Author: | Grave_Wyrm [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Danny Desire wrote: After a brief talk with Diamhea, he told me there were syntax problems, and instructed me to search for help on this thread. Errors are plentiful. Notes in spoiler.
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| Author: | Slasher01 [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:52 am ] |
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Hi, I would like to submit this review, please let me know if it's fine. Well, here we are. Another album by the mighty Darkthrone. Let's get it straight, during their long and honourable career, they've reached a point of "love or hate us" kind of band, and the supporters of their late albums usually are for a 100% score approach. It seems that this album could divide furthermore their hardcore followers, because it is different. It is quite different. To be honest, some of the influences that Fenriz and Culto show here were already in and there in some of their albums since 2006 “The Cult Is Alive album”. I’m talking about the slow or mid-paced songs, “Forebyggende Krig” in example, which shows a heavy Dream Death influence and ended up sounding like a weird, but cool in my opinion, mix of doomy-blackened metal with a punk-ish attitude. Here these same influences are massive and crushing like a bulldozer, and making way for a slower approach especially on the Fenriz's side songs. This slower approach could be a let down for some fan, but I would say that I actually appreciate that. The feeling of the album is overall of doom and gloom with a basic energy that comes out of the darkness in a more punching way, but slower than in The Underground Resistance, see the opener "Tundra Leech" in particular and in other cool moments too, like the final part of "Boreal Fiend", that presents a unexpected riffing in a totally 70’s style. The highlights are for sure the opener and, to me at least, also the title track "Arctic Thunder" with its egyptian-like kind of a main riff and the other fantastic riff coming in in the middle of the song. Be careful, there's nothing new or incredibly fresh here, but then who really wants that from the Darkthrone guys? Anyways, this is a solid release that pleases the ears of anyone that is looking for some heavy and dark riffing in a completely underground Darkthrone style and this album deserves to be checked out because of the way more serious approach that it has, more serious than every album since F.O.A.D. until now, that lack of the sinister and obscure feeling that you can easily find here. Well done guys. Noteworthy is the vocal performance, this time only by Ted Culto, probably at his peak since years for the growling grasp that he delivers here; Fenriz can be a decent singer but clearly he is not suited for the old school blackened style. |
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| Author: | Danny Desire [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
So... I'm just going to leave this comment to do an update. I won't be able to have access to my computer for quite some time, and using metal archives on mobile is a bitch, so I won't update that draft for quite some time. I have read Grave_Wyrm's response and when able I'll answer it back properly, there's some stuff that I have to work on, but some stuff he pointed out are dubious, and a discussion will be needed probably. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. |
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| Author: | Danny Desire [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Grave_Wyrm wrote: Danny Desire wrote: After a brief talk with Diamhea, he told me there were syntax problems, and instructed me to search for help on this thread. Errors are plentiful. Notes in spoiler.
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EDIT: A friend mine borrowed me his notebook, so I can safely justify what I was meanting there. Thanks for the reply Grave_Wyrm, there's plenty of stuff I wrote that after re-reading once more seemed dubious to me as well. But there's some stuff that I think you don't get, in the review and I should clarify. First of, yes, I'm not a native speaker, and to write that review I've used Grammarly, a lot of the times it pointed out comma misuse for me or even the proper place to put one. I'll see what I can do with it if there are problems related to it. About Japan, yes dude, it is ''an alien place'', this is just a term to say it is a weird place (I've seen it before and that's why I used it), and this isn't something shocking, it even become a common joke regarding the country's culture anyway (for instance, the ''obsession'' with androgyny in their popular culture). The use of the terms ''over-exposition'' and ''indifferent'', refers to the fact that a lot of the stuff that is popular there have been consumed by occidental people as well nowadays, hence a lot of people (at least on the internet) are familiarized with their products (be it an anime or a show), even though some are not even included in the group mentioned. I mean, at this point who haven't seen at least one meme about the ''Japanophile'' kids? I see that I should have written that more properly, and some word choices are dull. But the general idea was to relate the country's weirdness with the band's weirdness. Also, ''News blogs and tabloids are your reference points?'', on this matter, I think I don't have any other ''reliable'' source. (I don't know if sounds racist to you, but I thought it was appropriate there.) ''The experimental side of the extreme side of extreme metal (pleonasm alert)''. I should have written ''the EP is an experimental take on the extreme side of extreme metal (pleonasm alert)'', it would sound better I think. By the way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm. No ''strange'' is not the only adjective I can come up with, I used a lot more throughout the review, what happens is, the use of that word is a matter of context, I mentioned 'minimalistic(BDM) and math-y (BDM)' earlier, resuming these sort of BDM with only one word, so I decided to describe Urobilinemia's sound with only one adjective like I've done with the others, though now I think ''abundant'' would sound better. The lack of standards is not meant to refer to ''lack of consistency'', it's simply meant to say that the band hasn't any specific standard that is followed throughout the album. I even state in the sentence earlier ''there's not a specific idea which is repeated throughout the entire album'', again, it's all a matter of context. But, now it seemed a bit redundant of my part. The third paragraph was quite ambiguous and misleading, going to re-work it. On the fourth one, the reason why I mention a specific type of listener after a technique, is because I said ''there's vocals for all tastes'' and then, I thought it was a good idea to specify the oriented public of each one. ''also it may be due to the production.'', this part used to state something like ''it may be due to the production that the drums sound a bit clicky'', but I thought that it lacked depth and a concise justification, so I deleted it, but unfortunately I forgot to backspace the entire sentence, my bad. To finish, on the last sentence the ''us'' is supposed to refer to ''us BDM listeners''. The subject is occult there. Anyway, you pointed out some consistent stuff, I think the general idea of my text it's coherent and I'm going to maintain it, I'll have to re-work the part's that seem dubious and poorly structured as of now. Thanks for the feedback mate. |
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| Author: | Plagued [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
Currently reworking my review for The Body's No One Deserves Happiness. Haven't had the time to complete it in the last couple of months plus I'm a super slow writer. Will post my draft in the next couple of days and I'm looking forward to what you guys think of it! I really appreciate everyone's efforts of helping newcomers in this thread, your work is under appreciated. |
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| Author: | Sweetie [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
So that review I submitted like four days ago, is that just gonna sit in the "pending" status forever? It can't be that backed up if there's a review for an album that was just released today (Gods Of Violence). |
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| Author: | Plagued [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Review Feedback Workshop |
SweetLeaf95 wrote: So that review I submitted like four days ago, is that just gonna sit in the "pending" status forever? It can't be that backed up if there's a review for an album that was just released today (Gods Of Violence). If this is mini-modding then please delete it! Reviews can take some time to be either rejected or approved especially those for albums of big name bands like Kreator in this case. Also, the album has only been released today, so I don't think that it will be considered earlier than that, especially not if you have written a review prior to the album's actual release date. Plus, the mods probably have to deal with a lot of people that have submitted a review for this particular album. |
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