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dude, it's far more post rock then prog rock. And yes, I've heard a huge amount of post rock.

What's so post-rock about Wolves In The Throne Room in the first place? If Krallice aren't more post-rock than them, then I'm happy to say that neither band is actually influenced by post-rock.

Sure, there were plenty of mid/late eighties thrash acts that couldn’t find an original idea even if they were giving Salvadore Dali a piggy-back ride, but at least some of them could perform with more enthusiasm than going through a car wash.

I sighed and pushed play again. I was never overly fond of thrash because I was born in 1989 and noticed metal when Linkin Park was sold as the new shit, so it had never been an option.

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I sighed and pushed play again. I was never overly fond of thrash because I was born in 1989 and noticed metal when Linkin Park was sold as the new shit, so it had never been an option.

After reading this, I died a little inside. Is this supposed to be reasoning?
(New review for "Versus" by The Haunted)

Did this review get taken down? I'm assuming so since I can't find it. Can't say that I'll miss it, this sort of a statement in a review could render even a well written opinion unreadable.

but most songs here are really slow, even chugging.

There’s a reason that stoner metal is called stoner metal: the bands just seem to worship the weed.

He has that annoying checklist approach. Guitars play riffs. Can't hear bass. Vocals? There's this guy who sings.

Ilwhyan wrote:

He has that annoying checklist approach. Guitars play riffs. Can't hear bass. Vocals? There's this guy who sings.

Shit, I'm screwed, all my reviews are checklists in disguise.

I could swear "Winds of Destination" has the singer from Blind Guardian singing in part of it

Yeah, I probably should've checked the album info. That wasn't meant as a "who the singer is really ripping off BG" or anything like that.

I'm not the biggest fan of straight-out ambient music, particularly in my BM, but truth be told this isn't even a strong effort by BM standards. It's ridiculously repetitive, with Austere's aforementioned brilliance of song progression seemingly thrown out the window. Nor does it contain much atmosphere and really succeeds only in being a waste of time. It's a shame, because having heard such quality BM we are left yearning for more and the album consequently feels rather short. But, hey, even Varg suffered from that problem to some extent.

Consider the mighty dinosaur. These “terrible lizards” ruled the planet for many millions of years before suffering mass extinction as a result of a giant meteor impacting Earth. But in fact they live on, in a sense; our modern birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs. Yet, while we admire the nobility of the bald eagle, and the tastiness of the common chicken, this still must be counted a disappointing development.

showing how these songs can evolve into a romantic influenced aura of structure; while staying grounded in a dual use of style.

Drums compliment rhythms in an almost mocking style

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Drums compliment rhythms in an almost mocking style

Mocking drums, I can totally hear it.

None of the post-rock black metal bands are THAT influenced by post-rock exactly, it's just a good shorthand for talking about that pseudo-hipster sound.

I appreciate it when death metal artists get away from childish fantasy stuff in their lyrics and write about real-world topics that I can relate to on a personal level... so please stop writing philosophical lyrics and do some songs about necrophilia and murdering Christians, thanks.

Lyrics dictate the intent of this band, but don't promulgate any reason to alter the perception of our worlds inevitable failure and death

post-black metal and post-/black metal

The_Orphanizer wrote:

post-black metal and post-/black metal

Even though I understand the distinction, :ugh:

on terminology (don't like the music either though)

"I would think that making music this terrible would require some insane Rube Goldberg contraption to harness the power of pure fucking tastelessness with which to drive their instruments, but perhaps even more remarkably, all evidence points to Nokturnal Mortum figuring this out ALL ON THEIR FUCKING OWN,..."

:lol:

Quoted from Noktorn's NeChrist review. I also agree with the score, what a shitty album.

Makes no sense considering the quality of their earlier shit.

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Makes no sense considering the quality of their earlier shit.

Agreed. Lunar Poetry is majesty.

Author:	unclevladistav [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:53 pm ]
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Not a specific passage, but apparently this guy is reviewing his own release... http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=217471

Author:	hakarl [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:59 pm ]
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His username and email refers to the band, so I'm guessing he's either a huge fan or a member of the band. In case of the latter, his review self-fellatio of a massive scale and probably oven-worthy. But then he might just aswell be a big fan.

Author:	iamntbatman [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:40 pm ]
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caspian wrote: dude, it's far more post rock then prog rock. And yes, I've heard a huge amount of post rock. No wai. What post-rock band do they sound anything like? I'm just saying, they usually get lumped into the same "hipster post-rock/black metal" category as WitTR, who are a hell of a lot more post-rock sounding than Krallice. The only post-rock influence I really get out of Krallice is the relative lack of vocals. The more ambient sections sound like a prog band's ambient sections, not the quieter parts of a post-rock song. Not to mention the fact that Krallice definitely do a lot of wanking type stuff, which you'd never, ever hear on a post-rock record.

Author:	hakarl [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:59 pm ]
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What's so post-rock about Wolves In The Throne Room in the first place? If Krallice aren't more post-rock than them, then I'm happy to say that neither band is actually influenced by post-rock.

Author:	Noktorn [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:27 pm ]
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None of the post-rock black metal bands are THAT influenced by post-rock exactly, it's just a good shorthand for talking about that pseudo-hipster sound.

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Author:	iamntbatman [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:16 pm ]
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Ilwhyan wrote: What's so post-rock about Wolves In The Throne Room in the first place? If Krallice aren't more post-rock than them, then I'm happy to say that neither band is actually influenced by post-rock. I'm not sure about Krallice, but if I remember correctly, WitTR have said in interviews that they don't listen to post-rock and therefore aren't influenced by it. However, they do have some decidedly post-rock moments: Two Hunters: All of Dia Artio, the first half of Cleansing, and the intro, middle part starting at about 6:20 until about 8:05, again from about 10:05 to 13:15, and the entire outro of I Will Lay Down My Bones... Malevolent Grain: Practically all of A Looming Resonance, the second half of Hate Crystal There is less of this sound on Diadem of 12 Stars, and I've only listened to Black Cascade twice so I can't really comment there. Anyway, these parts sound somewhat similar to the more depressive side of things from bands like Mogwai, Mono, and even the more guitar oriented parts of GY!BE.

Author:	BastardHead [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:09 am ]
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I came across this gem during my obscure thrash research. Gutterscream on Devastation's Violent Termination wrote: Sure, there were plenty of mid/late eighties thrash acts that couldn’t find an original idea even if they were giving Salvadore Dali a piggy-back ride, but at least some of them could perform with more enthusiasm than going through a car wash. I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but I feel like I HAVE to reiterate it. Seriously, it's one of my favorite sentences ever used in a review.

Author:	iamntbatman [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:00 am ]
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The Dali bit is pretty good, but car washes are pretty fucking exciting. He could have picked a more boring activity, like filing TPS reports.

Author:	madbringer [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:03 am ]
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Hrmh. Do US car washes have free bj's, live concerts, acid trips or something? Can't imagine going to a car wash exciting otherwise, by any stretch of the word.

Author:	iamntbatman [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:21 am ]
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None of the above. I suppose it's a syndrome of having grown up without very much money, so going to a car wash was a rare event and I was just fascinated by the complete automation of the process. One of those childhood things that remains cool, I guess. I'm sure (read: I hope) others can sympathize.

Author:	CannibalCorpse [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:23 pm ]
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Quote: I sighed and pushed play again. I was never overly fond of thrash because I was born in 1989 and noticed metal when Linkin Park was sold as the new shit, so it had never been an option. After reading this, I died a little inside. Is this supposed to be reasoning? (New review for "Versus" by The Haunted)

Author:	hells_unicorn [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:18 pm ]
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CannibalCorpse wrote: Quote: I sighed and pushed play again. I was never overly fond of thrash because I was born in 1989 and noticed metal when Linkin Park was sold as the new shit, so it had never been an option. After reading this, I died a little inside. Is this supposed to be reasoning? (New review for "Versus" by The Haunted) Did this review get taken down? I'm assuming so since I can't find it. Can't say that I'll miss it, this sort of a statement in a review could render even a well written opinion unreadable.

Author:	MacMoney [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:59 am ]
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hells_unicorn wrote: Did this review get taken down? I'm assuming so since I can't find it. Can't say that I'll miss it, this sort of a statement in a review could render even a well written opinion unreadable. Nope, still there.

Author:	hakarl [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:59 pm ]
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Quote: but most songs here are really slow, even chugging. Chugging in thrash? By gods! This review needs to be taken down. He has that annoying checklist approach. Guitars play riffs. Can't hear bass. Vocals? There's this guy who sings.

Author:	~Guest 126069 [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:25 pm ]
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I do it with some things subtracted and replaced with others. Usually guitars, vocals, production, and atmosphere. Sometimes drums if they play a noticeably different role. Some may criticize the lack of bass analysis, but I really don't feel like repeating "It doesn't do much of substantial value, but I'm sure I'd notice if it wasn't there" for the fiftieth fucking time. I really think that's the toughest part of reviewing; trying to some up a sound that isn't just a bulk of barely coherent "stream of conscious" rambling, but doesn't sound too systematic, like it's been written by MS Review Simulator 07 edition.

Author:	~Guest 126069 [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:10 pm ]
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When not hidden in anyway it can really mar an otherwise great reviewer's work. For instance, I love almost everything about Cynical's stuff, but I loathe the way he so strictly adheres to that format.

Author:	thomash [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:58 pm ]
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I'm completely unapologetic about one thing: I always stick to a systematic approach to reviewing albums. Otherwise, it seems to me that a review inevitably focuses overly much on certain aspects of an album's sound. Having a review 'checklist' allows a reviewer to discuss aspects of the album that may be very important to the reader even if the reviewer doesn't give it the same importance. Indeed, having a system renders reviews clearer, more logical, and (therefore) more useful than they would otherwise be. I don't read reviews for fun; I read reviews to find out whether or not I should buy an album.

Author:	hakarl [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:40 pm ]
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If there's a point I really want to stress, I don't mind of it shadows other lesser points. I don't think every review needs to follow the same rules, I write about whatever I feel like. Of course, sometimes I realise that maybe I should say a word or two about the production or how the instruments are played or something, but that's extra.

Author:	Noktorn [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:14 am ]
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Dawnoftheshred on Electric Wizard's 'Chrono.naut': Quote: There’s a reason that stoner metal is called stoner metal: the bands just seem to worship the weed. HOLY SHIT REALLY!?!?!?

Author:	Bezerko [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:07 pm ]
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Ilwhyan wrote: He has that annoying checklist approach. Guitars play riffs. Can't hear bass. Vocals? There's this guy who sings. Shit, I'm screwed, all my reviews are checklists in disguise.

Author:	OzzyApu [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:56 pm ]
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Bezerko wrote: Ilwhyan wrote: He has that annoying checklist approach. Guitars play riffs. Can't hear bass. Vocals? There's this guy who sings. Shit, I'm screwed, all my reviews are checklists in disguise. Most of mine are like that, sadly. I'll go talk about all the instruments in order and then comment on the vocalist, damn.

Author:	hakarl [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:47 pm ]
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It doesn't bother me if it's well hidden and fits well with the overall cohesion of the review. I notice the same thing in some of my reviews, but I usually don't write about it if I don't have anything particularly relevant to say.

Author:	Perplexed_Sjel [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:43 pm ]
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I totally agree with Thomash. I'm exactly the same. I prefer serious reviews to the fun loving one's with comical metaphors and such. I like to have a system as it makes me feel as if I'm adhering to clarity.

Author:	Empyreal [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:51 pm ]
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caspian wrote: I could swear "Winds of Destination" has the singer from Blind Guardian singing in part of it It DOES, man.

Author:	caspian [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:56 pm ]
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Yeah, I probably should've checked the album info. That wasn't meant as a "who the singer is really ripping off BG" or anything like that.

Author:	Empyreal [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:03 pm ]
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caspian wrote: Yeah, I probably should've checked the album info. That wasn't meant as a "who the singer is really ripping off BG" or anything like that. Yeah. You beat me to criticizing the album though, I've been planning to do it for weeks. I'm giving it 20 points higher though. I find it quite charming.

Author:	caspian [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:09 pm ]
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Well, it's got some high highs but some really low lows. Wishing Well is really terrible.

Author:	hakarl [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:47 am ]
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deepred's Austere review: Quote: I'm not the biggest fan of straight-out ambient music, particularly in my BM, but truth be told this isn't even a strong effort by BM standards. It's ridiculously repetitive, with Austere's aforementioned brilliance of song progression seemingly thrown out the window. Nor does it contain much atmosphere and really succeeds only in being a waste of time. It's a shame, because having heard such quality BM we are left yearning for more and the album consequently feels rather short. But, hey, even Varg suffered from that problem to some extent. To some extent?? Oh, like, the 25 minutes long song on Filosofem? Yeah, I remember that! Glad he got over it on Dauði Baldrs, right? Good review though.

Author:	Clanbronwyn [ Fri May 01, 2009 7:07 pm ]
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The opening paragraph of Cheeses's Cosmic Atrophy completely cracked me up! Quote: Consider the mighty dinosaur. These “terrible lizards” ruled the planet for many millions of years before suffering mass extinction as a result of a giant meteor impacting Earth. But in fact they live on, in a sense; our modern birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs. Yet, while we admire the nobility of the bald eagle, and the tastiness of the common chicken, this still must be counted a disappointing development. Just thought I'd thank him for bringing some joy to my otherwise grey, miserable existance.

Author:	hakarl [ Mon May 04, 2009 8:14 am ]
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namelessheretic (on Panzerfaust) wrote: showing how these songs can evolve into a romantic influenced aura of structure; while staying grounded in a dual use of style. What is a romantic influenced aura of structure? Quote: Drums compliment rhythms in an almost mocking style Mocking drums, I can totally hear it.

Author:	Zelkiiro [ Mon May 04, 2009 10:32 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Drums compliment rhythms in an almost mocking style Mocking drums, I can totally hear it. If you listen really close, you can hear the "neener neener".

Author:	The_Orphanizer [ Mon May 04, 2009 5:48 pm ]
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Noktorn wrote: None of the post-rock black metal bands are THAT influenced by post-rock exactly, it's just a good shorthand for talking about that pseudo-hipster sound. It seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong, though) that many people think post-black metal (Solefald) and post-/black metal (that is, post-metal/black metal; Altar of Plagues) are synonyms, which could be where some of the confusion lies. What do you guys think?

Author:	failsafeman [ Tue May 05, 2009 12:45 pm ]
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Cheeses_Priced wrote: I appreciate it when death metal artists get away from childish fantasy stuff in their lyrics and write about real-world topics that I can relate to on a personal level... so please stop writing philosophical lyrics and do some songs about necrophilia and murdering Christians, thanks. Just have to mention this passage got a big laugh out of me.

Author:	Cheeses_Priced [ Tue May 05, 2009 1:49 pm ]
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Hooray! I'm spreading happiness. I just ordered Martyr's Feeding the Abscess so I'm disappointed to learn that: hexen wrote: Lyrics dictate the intent of this band, but don't promulgate any reason to alter the perception of our worlds inevitable failure and death Definitely a minus. The_Orphanizer wrote: post-black metal and post-/black metal Even though I understand the distinction, on terminology (don't like the music either though)

Author:	The_Orphanizer [ Tue May 05, 2009 5:50 pm ]
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Cheeses_Priced wrote: The_Orphanizer wrote: post-black metal and post-/black metal Even though I understand the distinction, on terminology (don't like the music either though) The terminology isn't the best, but it's the most commonly used and everyone who has heard it knows what it's referring to.

Author:	OzzyApu [ Fri May 08, 2009 1:57 am ]
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"I would think that making music this terrible would require some insane Rube Goldberg contraption to harness the power of pure fucking tastelessness with which to drive their instruments, but perhaps even more remarkably, all evidence points to Nokturnal Mortum figuring this out ALL ON THEIR FUCKING OWN,..." Quoted from Noktorn's NeChrist review. I also agree with the score, what a shitty album.

Author:	Razakel [ Fri May 08, 2009 5:04 pm ]
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OzzyApu wrote: "I would think that making music this terrible would require some insane Rube Goldberg contraption to harness the power of pure fucking tastelessness with which to drive their instruments, but perhaps even more remarkably, all evidence points to Nokturnal Mortum figuring this out ALL ON THEIR FUCKING OWN,..." Quoted from Noktorn's NeChrist review. I also agree with the score, what a shitty album. Yeah, good to see some bashing done on that album. Fuck, it's bad. Nice one, Noktorn.

Author:	Noktorn [ Fri May 08, 2009 5:16 pm ]
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Makes no sense considering the quality of their earlier shit.