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Author:  lord_ghengis [ Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:51 pm ]
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ThrashingMad wrote:
MikeyC wrote:
Chaos_Inferno on his review of Spawn Of Possession - Noctambulant wrote:
Scorched is the only time I've ever been impressed by speed, granted I've heard live he must two hand the freaking THREE HUNDRED AND TEN BEAT PER MINUTE BLAST BEATS but even attempting to play such a song is commendable in itself.

I read that several times and I don't quite understand what it means.


The song has a 310 bpm blast section but live the drummer has to two hand it. Seems pretty simple to me.


What exactly does two handing mean?

Author:  MikeyC [ Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:55 pm ]
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Cheers ThrashingMad and OlympicSharpShooter. I understand it now. Ha, I play the drums and I didn't know the term. I fail hard.

Author:  Gutterscream [ Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:37 am ]
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Hey! failsafeman.

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=48973#16409

:)

Author:  failsafeman [ Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:51 pm ]
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Haha, just a friendly gibe.

Author:  Gutterscream [ Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:47 pm ]
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That's it, exploit my weakness :P.

Author:  Byrgan [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:49 am ]
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lord_ghengis wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
MikeyC wrote:
Chaos_Inferno on his review of Spawn Of Possession - Noctambulant wrote:
Scorched is the only time I've ever been impressed by speed, granted I've heard live he must two hand the freaking THREE HUNDRED AND TEN BEAT PER MINUTE BLAST BEATS but even attempting to play such a song is commendable in itself.

I read that several times and I don't quite understand what it means.


The song has a 310 bpm blast section but live the drummer has to two hand it. Seems pretty simple to me.


What exactly does two handing mean?


I haven't heard that album. But he probably meant to add but excluded: "...granted I've heard live he must two hand the freaking (snare drum) THREE..."

You blast on the snare and might keep a less faster pace with the hi-hat or more often equal speed. So if you use two hands on the snare drum you will cheat like OSS said. But doing so live wouldn't sound right unless you had three arms for the cymbals. It is an odd statement, because you would probably use this method in the studio and then add another track for the hi-hat/ride and cymbal fills. To be funny in a comparative sense he could have said he 'lip-synced' the drums live, if that has ever been done. Haha, but to have people witness your 'little secret' live wouldn't make much sense.

Think of an ultra fast marching drummer. I think it is called a double stroke roll, but continuous. 0:27-0:28 in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w_pTFNQ ... re=related

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:47 am ]
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Thanks for the very detailed description of the term, that's what I imagined it would be, but I couldn't imagine any drummer actually doing that. Unrelated to the review, that's fucking cheap. I just lost a little respect from the drummer if he actually doesn't play the song the way it's meant to be played live.

Author:  Byrgan [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:12 am ]
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lord_ghengis wrote:
Thanks for the very detailed description of the term, that's what I imagined it would be, but I couldn't imagine any drummer actually doing that. Unrelated to the review, that's fucking cheap. I just lost a little respect from the drummer if he actually doesn't play the song the way it's meant to be played live.


No problem man. I can definitely agree with what you said.

I had a buddy who was complaining about a local band. They would use double bass every time they blasted to cover up that he couldn't do it at the same speed single footed on the bass drum. He was more upset than I would have been, because really fast single foot is hard to do haha. If it wasn't a local band and it didn't translate live to what their album was, I would have probably been upset with that.

Author:  saintinhell [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:56 am ]
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Don't know where to post this. I think it's been mentioned before, but Grimdoom gives out 100s at disturbing frequency. I have given half a dozen 100s myself, so I suppose I am myself too liberal with 100d. But when I check his reviews list, I see a few 90s among many many 100s across genres and bands. A man who writes movie reviews for a tabloid I read describes 5 stars as "Citizen Kane!!!". Aside from debates about how good that movie is, a similar benchmark is in order for 100s, correct me if I am wrong. There simply aren't so many Citizen Kane equivalents in the metal world, perish the thought.

Author:  Kruel [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:01 am ]
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saintinhell wrote:
Don't know where to post this. I think it's been mentioned before, but Grimdoom gives out 100s at disturbing frequency. I have given half a dozen 100s myself, so I suppose I am myself too liberal with 100d. But when I check his reviews list, I see a few 90s among many many 100s across genres and bands. A man who writes movie reviews for a tabloid I read describes 5 stars as "Citizen Kane!!!". Aside from debates about how good that movie is, a similar benchmark is in order for 100s, correct me if I am wrong. There simply aren't so many Citizen Kane equivalents in the metal world, perish the thought.

Wow, he has to be the person who gave the greatest number of 100% scores... I counted the 100% - there were 49 of those.

Edit: hells_unicorn has about 52, but still...

Author:  saintinhell [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:08 am ]
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Kruel wrote:

hells_unicorn has about 52, but still...

Yes, 52 from many more reviews. I haven't seen anything to suggest that Grimdoom's 100s will dry up shortly, that he has reviewed every album he thought deserved a 100.

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:26 am ]
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Byrgan wrote:
lord_ghengis wrote:
Thanks for the very detailed description of the term, that's what I imagined it would be, but I couldn't imagine any drummer actually doing that. Unrelated to the review, that's fucking cheap. I just lost a little respect from the drummer if he actually doesn't play the song the way it's meant to be played live.


No problem man. I can definitely agree with what you said.

I had a buddy who was complaining about a local band. They would use double bass every time they blasted to cover up that he couldn't do it at the same speed single footed on the bass drum. He was more upset than I would have been, because really fast single foot is hard to do haha. If it wasn't a local band and it didn't translate live to what their album was, I would have probably been upset with that.


At least with the local band it still sounds the same. Even if he is using two feet it's still the same drum beat. Of course I have seen no proof that the Spawn of Possession guy doesn't play the song right live, but if that's true then it's cheap.

Author:  Kruel [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:25 am ]
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Deep Purple... underrated!?!?

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3388

Well, it's not totally wrong logically to call Deep Purple underrated, since he may think Deep Purple deserves a higher "rating" than it gets, but still, it's pretty strange to see none other than Deep Purple itself being described as underrated.

Author:  saintinhell [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:27 am ]
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Underrated in his friends' circle, more like.

Author:  Acrobat [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:38 am ]
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Purple are probably actually a little neglected on this site. But outside in more hard rock circles they aren't. I think I'll do another Purple review, Fireball, I think I love that one.

Author:  Kruel [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:43 am ]
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True, Deep Purple isn't very popular here (at least compared to its overall popularity), but it's only natural because it's more hard rock than metal, and even so, it is hardly underrated.

Author:  Gutterscream [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:42 am ]
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From ANationalAcrobat's latest review of Bathory's Under the Sign of the Black Mark:

And like some beaten wife, you come back for more and more of this same hellish punishment under the same premise that;
“He loves me! He didn’t mean to hurt me! Oh officer please!”.

Author:  failsafeman [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:53 am ]
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Ha, I've got to say this passage in that same review made me burst out in unexpected laughter:

ANationalAcrobat wrote:
Unable to contact either Phil Collins or Lars Ulrich in sufficient time, Quorthon decided he would not be able to have a sufficiently evil drummer and as such simply got some fellow to go BISH BOSH BISH BOSH at varying tempos (often when he wasn’t supposed to be varying the tempos at all).

Author:  saintinhell [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:00 am ]
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Kruel wrote:
True, Deep Purple isn't very popular here (at least compared to its overall popularity), but it's only natural because it's more hard rock than metal, and even so, it is hardly underrated.


Actually the reviews for most hard-rockish bands listed here are far less than those for well-known thrash/power/prog bands. I suppose we should then say Hysteria is underrated compared to Images and Words. :P

Author:  Kruel [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:10 am ]
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saintinhell wrote:
Kruel wrote:
True, Deep Purple isn't very popular here (at least compared to its overall popularity), but it's only natural because it's more hard rock than metal, and even so, it is hardly underrated.


Actually the reviews for most hard-rockish bands listed here are far less than those for well-known thrash/power/prog bands. I suppose we should then say Hysteria is underrated compared to Images and Words. :P

Well, in terms of having a lower rating, indeed. :D (though that's not exactly the definition of being underrated)


failsafeman wrote:
Ha, I've got to say this passage in that same review made me burst out in unexpected laughter:

ANationalAcrobat wrote:
Unable to contact either Phil Collins or Lars Ulrich in sufficient time, Quorthon decided he would not be able to have a sufficiently evil drummer and as such simply got some fellow to go BISH BOSH BISH BOSH at varying tempos (often when he wasn’t supposed to be varying the tempos at all).

:lol:

Author:  saintinhell [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:20 am ]
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Not only lower rating, but far fewer reviews. Just four reviews for Hysteria. You would think it was a lost death metal classic going by that. :lol:

Author:  Kruel [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:33 am ]
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saintinhell wrote:
Not only lower rating, but far fewer reviews. Just four reviews for Hysteria. You would think it was a lost death metal classic going by that. :lol:

Haha, yeah. And Made in Japan is like a cult black metal live bootleg!

Author:  Gutterscream [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:54 pm ]
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failsafeman wrote:
Ha, I've got to say this passage in that same review made me burst out in unexpected laughter:

ANationalAcrobat wrote:
Unable to contact either Phil Collins or Lars Ulrich in sufficient time, Quorthon decided he would not be able to have a sufficiently evil drummer and as such simply got some fellow to go BISH BOSH BISH BOSH at varying tempos (often when he wasn’t supposed to be varying the tempos at all).

Author:  Acrobat [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:01 am ]
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Glad everyone enjoyed the Bathory review, anyway IWP's Mastodon review had a couple of funny mistakes;

'The formal is easily the best song on the album, and while it's only tow minutes'

Author:  Zythifer [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:48 pm ]
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this passage from the Paradise Lost - Lost Paradise review by Zombie_Quixote really struck me:

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Let's say Paradise Lost is a single room apartment. We look into that apartment now and what do we see? Light shining through stain glass windows; lively roses set and arranged neatly on a table covered in white lace; a wine bottle and half full wine glass before an empty polished table. Spiders crawl across dustless walls. A raven is perched in a gold cage in the right hand corner of the room. There's darkness here but it contrasts well with the other things in the room. The spiders glistening bodies hardly seem menacing in the daylight. The raven's cage is kept clean; the bird sits quiet, composed and noble.

The room is very much different than it was when Holmes and Co. first opened its door. What they found in Lost Paradise was a room thick covered in layers of black dust. The light was deadened by hanging rags riddled with moth-eaten holes. The flowers were withered and crisp brown petals covered the dirty, white lace. The wine was tipped over and pouring over the table; the glass was shattered; flies swarmed and ate the decaying liquid. The raven's cage was tarnished and its insides were covered in the bird's feathers and waste. The raven was still alive, it was howling mad and rushed the bars of its prison as Holmes approached it. And the spider's were still there. They were larger, hairier, blacker. Their webs covered every corner of darkened room. They were joined by friends: roaches that emerged from shadows and hissed at intruders.

The rooms are the same beast split in two; light and shadow to one another. One is pleasant and does nothing to scare away those who find themselves within it. The other is uncomfortable to say the least. But doom metal was never meant to be found in the first room. Doom metal, like mold, was meant to be grown in the dark, in the dank and dirty.

Author:  zeingard [ Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:49 am ]
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Zombie_Quixote has recently grabbed my attention too, especially with the aforementioned quote. I can't wait to see more reviews from him, he has quite a knack for abstract and visual descriptions of music which makes for a great read.

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:15 pm ]
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Krieger_gegen_Gott on the Apostasy wrote:
So, why an 85? The school I attend has an 85% being an average grade; this is what the album is, average. Almost pathetically so, but not quite.


What the hell... this guys school must be awesome.

Author:  MaDTransilvanian [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:58 pm ]
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Planewalker wrote:
From the recently submitted review on Temnozor's "Folkstorm of the Azure Nights" by MaDTransilvanian:

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The band was founded and is headed by the mastermind behind such Blazebirth Hall bands as Branikald and Forest, Kalderad Branislav.


1. It's Kaldrad, not Kalderad.
2. He isn't the founder of the band! He joined before the second album. The band was founded by Leshiy, Tuur and Wuulko. Others joined later.


I stand corrected. I just assumed he was the founder as he was one of the most important members by the second and especially third albums and as for the name misspelling, i must've misread it and assumed it had an 'e'.

Author:  Acrobat [ Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:42 am ]
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hells_unicorn on some random deathcore album;

'Every single album in this fucking genre is loaded with pointless blast beat and drum fill showboating that make Mastodon’s drummer sound like Phil Rudd'

I like the AC/DC references. Phil Rudd has always been one of my favourite drummers, but more importantly this passage effectively (and rather humourously) hightlights the ridiculous over-emphasis on drums that some modern 'metal' bands have.

Also my hats off to hells_unicorn for actually having the tolerance to sit through a deathcore album! Astounding!

Author:  Kruel [ Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:04 am ]
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From a review for Xecutioner's Return... the reviewer said he gave the album a 50% earlier on...

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Now that's all fine and dandy, however, as you may have noticed, my rating for this album isn't actually fifty percent. Indeed, I had to reduce it by fifteen percent. Why? Petty as it may sound to some of you, it's simply because quite frankly, the title simply offends me. It's a bit as if Metallica released an album called "Return of the Four Horsemen" and it ended up sounding like "Master of Puppets" with the production of the black album, or as if Sodom released an album called "The Final Sign of Evil" and... oh crap, nevermind, forget about that one.

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:32 am ]
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ANationalAcrobat wrote:
hells_unicorn on some random deathcore album;

'Every single album in this fucking genre is loaded with pointless blast beat and drum fill showboating that make Mastodon’s drummer sound like Phil Rudd'

I like the AC/DC references. Phil Rudd has always been one of my favourite drummers, but more importantly this passage effectively (and rather humourously) hightlights the ridiculous over-emphasis on drums that some modern 'metal' bands have.

Also my hats off to hells_unicorn for actually having the tolerance to sit through a deathcore album! Astounding!


That was the new Cryptopsy, many of us have sat through that deathcore album

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:40 pm ]
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ANationalAcrobat wrote:
hells_unicorn on some random deathcore album;

'Every single album in this fucking genre is loaded with pointless blast beat and drum fill showboating that make Mastodon’s drummer sound like Phil Rudd'

I like the AC/DC references. Phil Rudd has always been one of my favourite drummers, but more importantly this passage effectively (and rather humourously) hightlights the ridiculous over-emphasis on drums that some modern 'metal' bands have.

Also my hats off to hells_unicorn for actually having the tolerance to sit through a deathcore album! Astounding!


I've actually sat through about 8 of them, I've got some nice hatchet jobs on all three JFAC releases if you've got time to spare.

I love a good drum solo as good as the next person, as my review of Manowar's "The Triumph of Steel" no doubt indicates, but Flo basically showboated for the entire album and left almost nothing for the guitarist and bassist, the latter of who has been in the band for more than 10 years.

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That was the new Cryptopsy, many of us have sat through that deathcore album


Yeah, I found out about that album because of all the damned buzz on both here and myspace. I'm currently listening to their older material with Lord Worm, quite frankly it's not that amazing, Mortal Decay had stuff just as brutal and with much better musicianship on their first 3 demos.

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:43 am ]
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hells_unicorn wrote:
I'm currently listening to their older material with Lord Worm, quite frankly it's not that amazing


I'll fight you.

Nah, I can see why some people don't like it. It's certainly not as brutal as what many people build it up to be, but I think it's very memorable catchy stuff, and damn technical and brutal considering how catchy and memorable it is, however the first one isn't really all that technical.

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:54 am ]
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lord_ghengis wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
I'm currently listening to their older material with Lord Worm, quite frankly it's not that amazing


I'll fight you.

Nah, I can see why some people don't like it. It's certainly not as brutal as what many people build it up to be, but I think it's very memorable catchy stuff, and damn technical and brutal considering how catchy and memorable it is, however the first one isn't really all that technical.


I'm listening to "Blasphemy Made Flesh" and the demo, so maybe I'll be more impressed with their middle works.

Author:  Empyreal [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:24 am ]
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hells_unicorn wrote:
lord_ghengis wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
I'm currently listening to their older material with Lord Worm, quite frankly it's not that amazing


I'll fight you.

Nah, I can see why some people don't like it. It's certainly not as brutal as what many people build it up to be, but I think it's very memorable catchy stuff, and damn technical and brutal considering how catchy and memorable it is, however the first one isn't really all that technical.


I'm listening to "Blasphemy Made Flesh" and the demo, so maybe I'll be more impressed with their middle works.

What about None So Vile?

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:38 am ]
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hells_unicorn wrote:
lord_ghengis wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
I'm currently listening to their older material with Lord Worm, quite frankly it's not that amazing


I'll fight you.

Nah, I can see why some people don't like it. It's certainly not as brutal as what many people build it up to be, but I think it's very memorable catchy stuff, and damn technical and brutal considering how catchy and memorable it is, however the first one isn't really all that technical.


I'm listening to "Blasphemy Made Flesh" and the demo, so maybe I'll be more impressed with their middle works.


None so Vile is similar to BMF, but much better, both in terms of writing and production. Whisper Supremacy and And Then You'll Beg will make up on the brutality and technicality side, but they're not very good apart from a few tracks.

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:00 am ]
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Empyreal wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
lord_ghengis wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
I'm currently listening to their older material with Lord Worm, quite frankly it's not that amazing


I'll fight you.

Nah, I can see why some people don't like it. It's certainly not as brutal as what many people build it up to be, but I think it's very memorable catchy stuff, and damn technical and brutal considering how catchy and memorable it is, however the first one isn't really all that technical.


I'm listening to "Blasphemy Made Flesh" and the demo, so maybe I'll be more impressed with their middle works.

What about None So Vile?


My vocalist has a friend who got loaned me everything in their discography except for the DVD, I plan on listening to and reviewing them chronologically so I'll get to that one relatively soon.

Author:  Bezerko [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:59 am ]
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None So Vile is crap, see my review. ;)

Author:  wight_ghoul [ Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:00 pm ]
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Bezerko wrote:
None So Vile is crap, see my review. ;)

Not an extremely insightful (or offensive) review, but what really amused me was the unfavourable comparison with tech-death-for-dummies band Psycroptic. I personally find NSV interesting enough with the complexity and momentum it creates structurally and of course the rhythmic interplay between all the members should theoretically be at least enough to stave off boredom (not to mention the lyrical proficiency). When you compare this to the blocky predictability of Psycroptic, complete with the no-colouring-outside-the-lines approach to technicality and sing-along choruses, I have to wonder just what you are looking for in this genre. Maybe you should review The Scepter Of The Ancients or something and complete the comparison. Not that I dislike Psycroptic, they just lack depth in a lot of areas.

:scratch:

Author:  Empyreal [ Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:07 pm ]
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Psycroptic used to have a great fucking vocalist, and he pretty much made them distinguished from other such bands.

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