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But who doesn't know what Underoath sounds like? The fact fucking Underoath is on the site should mean ANY review of their work is allowed (unless it is positive, lol). One of the only bands I would waive this rule for. Apocalypse (US) might be another one.

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3577#802

An album with 4 other well-written, positive reviews does not need something like this.

I hate Underoath as much as the next guy, but Everfrost does say literally nothing about the music:

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=161250

I honest to god have no idea what Underoath sounds like now. I've never heard a song by them

Based on their look, their Christianity, etc.

Noktorn wrote:

Based on their look, their Christianity, etc.

You assume "the next guy" that hates them hasn't heard them, either?

I hate Underoath as much as the next guy, but Everfrost does say literally nothing about the music:

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=161250

blockman is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. The review is pretty poorly written, and the best musical description in it (the parts about graceful melodies and succeeding in its aim to create a nostalgic feeling) seem to contradict his point that it's all terribly boring. He doesn't make his case very well.

Noktorn wrote:

I hate Underoath

Noktorn wrote:

I honest to god have no idea what Underoath sounds like now. I've never heard a song by them

Am I missing something here?

All of Scorpio's reviews have been made irrelevant by other reviews:

http://www.metal-archives.com/userrevie ... me=Scorpio

Noktorn wrote:

All of Scorpio's reviews have been made irrelevant by other reviews:

http://www.metal-archives.com/userrevie ... me=Scorpio

His reviews are a conspicuous example of the ongoing tendency to remove short, interesting reviews to make room for longer, more mediocre ones. His better ones have already been deleted anyway.

Shitallica - 4%
Written by 6black6label6 on August 20th, 2007

I called them "shitallica" because there's no more metal left in their dry old asses. Just a repetitive cycle of shit for a good 10 years. I caught this on TV. and decided to watch because I thought James would do something to embarrass himself and of course he try’s to play the "Nothing Else Matters" solo (witch Kirk did on the original), and manages to look like a complete jackass. Hetfield cannot sing anymore, he cannot yell anymore, and the lot of them cannot make a good riff anymore.

They had to pick the only 3 songs that no one likes. No one metal any way. The crowd was full of douches, trying to head bang to "Nothing Else Matters", parents, and their kids. Although it was for a good cause, Metallica or any other (real) metal band should not participate on the same stage as Madonna and the Black Eyed Peas. They should have called it quits after "... and Justice for All" and saved themselves the embarrassment.

Pretty underrated - 99%
Written by Chopped_in_Half on January 29th, 2006

After the huge success of the previous album "Practice What You Preach", people had complained about the production being "too good", I never understood that, I thought it sounded great. But anyways, back to the album at hand, Testament got accused of "rushing" this album, I don't see HOW they came up with that, this album does not sound rushed at all. On this release, Testament went back to the production style of "The New Order", Eric Petersons guitar is pushed back, Chuck Billys vocals are echoed, the drums aren't as crisp, but I will admit, it does fit very well.

The guitar work is quite different on this album, the riffs on "The New Order" and "Practice What You Preach" were alot more complex if you will, the riffs on this are alot more...simple dare I say, but they work, they are this one thing called HEAVY!, Eric Peterson gives us some nice catchy simple riffs that get the job done, and of course Alex Skolnick's solos are just jawdropping. Louie Clemente is his usual self, no special hooks or anything, but he gets the job done.

"Beginning of the End" Just an intro to the album/Face In The Sky.

"Face In The Sky" A very strong opener, with nice riffs, KILLER solo, and great vocals from Chuck as always.

"Falling Fast" A nice fast pace song, and catchy.

"Souls of Black" Starts out with drums and a nice bass, then moves into some cool as hell riffs, a nice melodic solo as well, A video was made for this track.

"Absence of Light" You can tell right from the first riff this will be heavy, has a nice flow to it, and once again, a nice melodic solo.

"Love to Hate" Is fast paced, a nice catchy chorus as well, nice leads.

"Malpractice" and "One Man's Fate" are great, but it's more of the same from this album.

Now, "The Legacy" in my opinion is the second best Testament ballad, next to "Trail of Tears" from Low, it's very slow, and creepy sounding, and the solo is amazing, A video was made for this track also.

"Seven Days of May" A VERY strong closer, very heavy, very catchy, love the chorus "BORN A POLITICAL PRISONER, RAIIIIISED OUTSIDE OF THE LAW!"

There is ONE little thing I don't like about this album, the song lengths aren't different enough, what I mean is, they should have mixed it up a bit more, made a few songs 4 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, you get what I mean I think, theres not enough variation there, but it's nothing big, great disc.

Written by 6black6label6 on August 20th, 2007

I called them "shitallica" because there's no more metal left in their dry old asses. Just a repetitive cycle of shit for a good 10 years. I caught this on TV. and decided to watch because I thought James would do something to embarrass himself and of course he try’s to play the "Nothing Else Matters" solo (witch Kirk did on the original), and manages to look like a complete jackass. Hetfield cannot sing anymore, he cannot yell anymore, and the lot of them cannot make a good riff anymore.

They had to pick the only 3 songs that no one likes. No one metal any way. The crowd was full of douches, trying to head bang to "Nothing Else Matters", parents, and their kids. Although it was for a good cause, Metallica or any other (real) metal band should not participate on the same stage as Madonna and the Black Eyed Peas. They should have called it quits after "... and Justice for All" and saved themselves the embarrassment.

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=110959#38250

How on earth was this review allowed to pass? This person doesn't even describe the music, he just whines about the band shopping at a mall and is recycling old black metal stylings. Yet that doesn't justify a 0% at all. Just a rampant hate review with no justification to back it up.

The "black metal underground" sure likes to cry a lot.

This one is useless with the new one above:

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=267#4115

EDIT: And another from the same, doesn't actually describe the music:

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=46050

Author:	Noktorn [ Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:55 pm ]
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requiem99 wrote: But who doesn't know what Underoath sounds like? The fact fucking Underoath is on the site should mean ANY review of their work is allowed (unless it is positive, lol). One of the only bands I would waive this rule for. Apocalypse (US) might be another one. I honest to god have no idea what Underoath sounds like now. I've never heard a song by them if I recall correctly. Maybe I'm weird.

Author:	requiem99 [ Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:54 pm ]
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It was just my 2 cents. Do what you will.

Author:	Usefulidiot42 [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:29 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3577#802 An album with 4 other well-written, positive reviews does not need something like this.

Author:	oneyoudontknow [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:35 am ]
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Usefulidiot42 wrote: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3577#802 An album with 4 other well-written, positive reviews does not need something like this. this one is also quite short: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3572#802

Author:	DustyFox [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:00 am ]
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Noktorn wrote: I hate Underoath as much as the next guy, but Everfrost does say literally nothing about the music: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=161250 Haha, I love the unhealthy levels of libel in that one.

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Author:	Muloc7253 [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:23 pm ]
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Noktorn wrote: I hate Underoath Noktorn wrote: I honest to god have no idea what Underoath sounds like now. I've never heard a song by them Am I missing something here?

Author:	Noktorn [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:40 pm ]
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Based on their look, their Christianity, etc.

Author:	OzzyApu [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:33 pm ]
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I liked Underoath's music back in 2003/2004 - so I remember their stuff very well. The throaty screams were rather pathetic, interrupting, and a bit as if the guy was gonna get anal-lyzed. (This serves for both the first and current vocalists). The clean vocals were rather good on the emo level, though it deteriorated after the third album. After all the harsh vocals everyone wanted the music to cut right to the clean sections because it was extremely calm and melodic - easily the reason why people got into them. Can't say they do much for me now though. The instruments however don't really add much to the music, except the guitars which just released chords and riffs (durrrrrrrrrr). I only liked 4-7 tracks, but no one who found them cause of MTV knew anything about their previous material.

Author:	requiem99 [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:26 pm ]
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Noktorn wrote: Based on their look, their Christianity, etc. You assume "the next guy" that hates them hasn't heard them, either?

Author:	Noktorn [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:56 pm ]
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requiem99 wrote: Noktorn wrote: Based on their look, their Christianity, etc. You assume "the next guy" that hates them hasn't heard them, either? How should I know? I'm just saying that a review probably should have at least a modicum of musical description. I'm sure that MOST metalheads have heard 'De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas'- that doesn't mean that we should have reviews talking about nothing but Varg killing Euronymous.

Author:	Noktorn [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:02 pm ]
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This one is useless with the new one above: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=267#4115 EDIT: And another from the same, doesn't actually describe the music: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=46050

Author:	SRX [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:44 pm ]
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Noktorn wrote: I hate Underoath as much as the next guy, but Everfrost does say literally nothing about the music: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=161250 I was about to post that one too. There is no evidence from that review that he even listened to the album, all he does is say how much he hates the band. I hate them too but at least talk about the music.

Author:	Abominatrix [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:02 am ]
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I'm not going to simply go ahead and delete it, because I want to see if others find this acceptable. It's not the sentiment I have a problem with, obviously, it's the repetitive referencing of "Walt Disney" which seems completely out of place. Maybe I just wasn't a "Disney-inclined" child, but I have almost no idea what he's talking about. http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=70240 Disney Music - 5% Written by blockman on August 18th, 2007 [ delete review ] Two years after releasing the highly acclaimed EP, "Le Secret", Neige follows it up with the bands first full-length, "Souvenirs d'un autre monde". Days after this was leaked the fans ate it up and praised it as something truly amazing, I admit I heard a one minute sample off of this album and thought it could potentially be interesting. After reading all the rave reviews and seeing praise for this album wherever I went, I decided to obtain it. The black metal elements of the first demo are now completely gone and what we are left with is some sort of strange combination of shoegaze and metal with some other elements thrown in. Needless to say this album is quite an embarrassment to metal. Alcest is Neige's musical outlet for the visions and memories of something he calls "Fairy Land". To sum up this music in a few words you could say that this album sounds like what you would get if you took the soundtrack from Disney's "the Lion King" and added some distorted guitars. This album is truly an embarrassment to metal. This is an album full of pretentious, overindulgent easy listening garbage. Surprisingly sitting through 40 minutes of this children's music was not a difficult task, it is what you could call elevator music, stuff to fill the void of silence, nothing more and nothing less. Although I would prefer silence over this tripe. The music here is certainly nothing special, it is full of distorted melancholic guitar work and a bunch of acoustic breaks. That is pretty much it, repeat those two things over and over and you have this album. There is no build up or release on this album, just the same monotonous drivel. The vocals are all clean and sung in a manner that is supposed to sound heavenly and beautiful I guess. This music is very happy and peaceful sounding, it makes even the most extreme dragon and unicorn power metal bands sound like Blasphemy or Conqueror in comparison. There is none of the primal aggression or intensity of metal in this release, just dreamy and graceful pop melodies. The children's theme is quite prevalent in this work, the artwork consists of a little girl in a field and I noticed some samples of little children playing. Maybe Neige has this imaginary "Fairy Land" confused with some Disney movie? That could very well be the case. I would not be surprised if this "Fairy Land" he envisions is the result of watching too much Peter Pan. Perhaps it was his intention to create children's music? The vocals on this sound like a lullaby a mother would sing to her crying child and the music would be sure to put the child right to sleep. This album is intended to be nostalgic and it definitely achieves that, listening to this I was brought back to the distant times when I was just a wee child, sitting in front of the TV watching Peter Pan, the Lion King and other Disney classics. It is hard to believe the kind of stuff that is getting passed off as metal these days. Metal or not, this album is a bore from the first to last minute, he could have just made this album one 5 minute song and it would have given the same impression as the whole 40 minute album. If Disney themed children's music is your thing, go ahead and get this, like many others i'm sure you will enjoy it. If you are a fan of metal this album is only good for a laugh or two. Nothing special at all, lets all hope Neige grows up and leaves his childhood Disney fantasies behind him, that way we won't have to endure another album of this shit.

Author:	Napero [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:15 am ]
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That's one of those reviews that are difficult to judge, unless one has heard the album or band in question. I haven't, but I like the polite-on-the-surface-rude-underneath kind of comparison he makes. The description gets more power when one remembers that most of the music in Lion King was written by Elton John (I think...). I'd let that stay, unless there are actual factual mistakes. It's sort of fun to read, and while the Disney comparison could be considered a gimmick, it's different, at least. And, to me, it really paints an idea about the music. Maybe the idea is completely mistaken, but on the other hand, it may be that some folks will have trouble taking the band seriously after reading that. Abominatrix, your link points to another album by Alcest.

Author:	Sean16 [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:15 am ]
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I remember having read this review the day it was posted. For me the Disney reference is more a gimmick than anything else - obviously he just wants to underline how childish/cheesy/commercial the music is by overusing "the" symbol of childish/cheesy/commercial pictures, Disney. I agree it ends up sounding a bit easy and childish itself, but still not enough to warrant deletion IMHO. EDIT - Napero has beaten me to it.

Author:	~Guest 3496 [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:15 am ]
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blockman is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. The review is pretty poorly written, and the best musical description in it (the parts about graceful melodies and succeeding in its aim to create a nostalgic feeling) seem to contradict his point that it's all terribly boring. He doesn't make his case very well.

Author:	Muloc7253 [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:47 pm ]
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PhantomOTO wrote: blockman is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. The review is pretty poorly written, and the best musical description in it (the parts about graceful melodies and succeeding in its aim to create a nostalgic feeling) seem to contradict his point that it's all terribly boring. He doesn't make his case very well. His Watain review was really good though

Author:	Visionary [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:51 pm ]
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Muloc7253 wrote: Noktorn wrote: I hate Underoath Noktorn wrote: I honest to god have no idea what Underoath sounds like now. I've never heard a song by them Am I missing something here? Poser Anyways that Underoath review in question mentions nothing but the lyrics. The rest of the review are just insults that tell me nothing about the music so I don't see any reason for its acceptance. Even if I hate the band the review guidelines should be the same for every band on the site.

Author:	Noktorn [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:17 pm ]
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All of Scorpio's reviews have been made irrelevant by other reviews: http://www.metal-archives.com/userrevie ... me=Scorpio

Author:	droneriot [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:37 pm ]
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I like the Underoath review for it's UltraBoris factor, and I think the blockman review is fine, not the best review around but within the limits of the rules, and unfortunately the only negative review for that laughable project so far.

Author:	Nightgaunt [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:53 pm ]
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I think that the contested blockman review is good enough to stay, primarily considering the rarity of its sentiment. It could certainly use a spitshine, however. I've deleted the Everfrost Underoath review. Much as I can sympathize with the sentiment there, it simply does not satisfy the guidelines.

Author:	Cheeses_Priced [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:31 pm ]
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Noktorn wrote: All of Scorpio's reviews have been made irrelevant by other reviews: http://www.metal-archives.com/userrevie ... me=Scorpio His reviews are a conspicuous example of the ongoing tendency to remove short, interesting reviews to make room for longer, more mediocre ones. His better ones have already been deleted anyway.

Author:	Noktorn [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:36 pm ]
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Cheeses_Priced wrote: Noktorn wrote: All of Scorpio's reviews have been made irrelevant by other reviews: http://www.metal-archives.com/userrevie ... me=Scorpio His reviews are a conspicuous example of the ongoing tendency to remove short, interesting reviews to make room for longer, more mediocre ones. His better ones have already been deleted anyway. I'd say the three following it are pretty useless too, but Scorpio's only follows guidelines in the barest of ways.

Author:	GVOLTT [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:37 pm ]
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Why was this review accepted? http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=161307 Quote: Shitallica - 4% Written by 6black6label6 on August 20th, 2007 I called them "shitallica" because there's no more metal left in their dry old asses. Just a repetitive cycle of shit for a good 10 years. I caught this on TV. and decided to watch because I thought James would do something to embarrass himself and of course he try’s to play the "Nothing Else Matters" solo (witch Kirk did on the original), and manages to look like a complete jackass. Hetfield cannot sing anymore, he cannot yell anymore, and the lot of them cannot make a good riff anymore. They had to pick the only 3 songs that no one likes. No one metal any way. The crowd was full of douches, trying to head bang to "Nothing Else Matters", parents, and their kids. Although it was for a good cause, Metallica or any other (real) metal band should not participate on the same stage as Madonna and the Black Eyed Peas. They should have called it quits after "... and Justice for All" and saved themselves the embarrassment. One or two lines describing the music, not to mention misspelling which "witch". Plus, "the only 3 songs no one likes. No one metal anyway"? Ummm...maybe Metallica did start to get bad on their self-titled album, but these songs were still metal. Not only that, but would this go against sections 2 (which I just described) and 3 of the review guidelines ("intelligence and decency")?

Author:	droneriot [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:46 pm ]
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Beat me to it.

Author:	ThrashGordon [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:37 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=247#24109 Quote: Pretty underrated - 99% Written by Chopped_in_Half on January 29th, 2006 After the huge success of the previous album "Practice What You Preach", people had complained about the production being "too good", I never understood that, I thought it sounded great. But anyways, back to the album at hand, Testament got accused of "rushing" this album, I don't see HOW they came up with that, this album does not sound rushed at all. On this release, Testament went back to the production style of "The New Order", Eric Petersons guitar is pushed back, Chuck Billys vocals are echoed, the drums aren't as crisp, but I will admit, it does fit very well. The guitar work is quite different on this album, the riffs on "The New Order" and "Practice What You Preach" were alot more complex if you will, the riffs on this are alot more...simple dare I say, but they work, they are this one thing called HEAVY!, Eric Peterson gives us some nice catchy simple riffs that get the job done, and of course Alex Skolnick's solos are just jawdropping. Louie Clemente is his usual self, no special hooks or anything, but he gets the job done. "Beginning of the End" Just an intro to the album/Face In The Sky. "Face In The Sky" A very strong opener, with nice riffs, KILLER solo, and great vocals from Chuck as always. "Falling Fast" A nice fast pace song, and catchy. "Souls of Black" Starts out with drums and a nice bass, then moves into some cool as hell riffs, a nice melodic solo as well, A video was made for this track. "Absence of Light" You can tell right from the first riff this will be heavy, has a nice flow to it, and once again, a nice melodic solo. "Love to Hate" Is fast paced, a nice catchy chorus as well, nice leads. "Malpractice" and "One Man's Fate" are great, but it's more of the same from this album. Now, "The Legacy" in my opinion is the second best Testament ballad, next to "Trail of Tears" from Low, it's very slow, and creepy sounding, and the solo is amazing, A video was made for this track also. "Seven Days of May" A VERY strong closer, very heavy, very catchy, love the chorus "BORN A POLITICAL PRISONER, RAIIIIISED OUTSIDE OF THE LAW!" There is ONE little thing I don't like about this album, the song lengths aren't different enough, what I mean is, they should have mixed it up a bit more, made a few songs 4 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, you get what I mean I think, theres not enough variation there, but it's nothing big, great disc. Taken in the context of a 99% rating (even though the title is the hardly-overwhelming 'Pretty Underrated') a review made up of individual sentences for each track, a brief intro and rundown of the musicians performing on the album is utter shit - particularly when the album already has 7 other reviews.

Author:	Noktorn [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:43 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=2647#618 Useless. http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=9605#12869 This too.

Author:	Pottseh [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:20 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=20530 I realise this review is the only one there, so moderators may have been inclined to let it through. But it doesn't tell anyone anything - it's mid tempo, and two riffs sound like early Death. That could describe any number of bands. The only other description of the music is that.. it has more riffs. I don't see how this helps.

Author:	oneyoudontknow [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:14 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.ph ... 1307#90157 Quote: Written by 6black6label6 on August 20th, 2007 I called them "shitallica" because there's no more metal left in their dry old asses. Just a repetitive cycle of shit for a good 10 years. I caught this on TV. and decided to watch because I thought James would do something to embarrass himself and of course he try’s to play the "Nothing Else Matters" solo (witch Kirk did on the original), and manages to look like a complete jackass. Hetfield cannot sing anymore, he cannot yell anymore, and the lot of them cannot make a good riff anymore. They had to pick the only 3 songs that no one likes. No one metal any way. The crowd was full of douches, trying to head bang to "Nothing Else Matters", parents, and their kids. Although it was for a good cause, Metallica or any other (real) metal band should not participate on the same stage as Madonna and the Black Eyed Peas. They should have called it quits after "... and Justice for All" and saved themselves the embarrassment. Yes, Metallica is an evil band we all have to hate!!11elf

Author:	Baletempest [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:05 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.ph ... 8208#65436 This one's a bit thin, it can be boiled down to "I don't like it because it doesn't sound like WoW, it's Tech Death with simple song structures instead"

Author:	stickyshooZ [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:36 pm ]
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I was about to post that Metallica one also. God damn, that review is shitty.

Author:	MrBrad [ Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:32 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3993#410 In fact, most of this guy's reviews are the same. Basically, he manages to talk about how the music is good but never really describes it. I appreciate his ability to like a great band, I just feel he should have expanded a bit more.

Author:	FromHlidskjalf [ Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:19 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.ph ... 0959#38250 How on earth was this review allowed to pass? This person doesn't even describe the music, he just whines about the band shopping at a mall and is recycling old black metal stylings. Yet that doesn't justify a 0% at all. Just a rampant hate review with no justification to back it up.

Author:	Noktorn [ Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:23 pm ]
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There seem to be a lot of pseudo-joke reviews getting accepted lately.

Author:	Gutterscream [ Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:10 pm ]
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FromHlidskjalf wrote: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=110959#38250 How on earth was this review allowed to pass? This person doesn't even describe the music, he just whines about the band shopping at a mall and is recycling old black metal stylings. Yet that doesn't justify a 0% at all. Just a rampant hate review with no justification to back it up. It's on the intense side, but I got his drift. Aside from a few capitalization errors and some sentence structuring liberties, it's grammatically okay. "The music itself is utter recycled bullshit! If you take certain tracks for instance, such as Antichrist Messiah, it is a pure ripoff of the old school primitive bands such as Beherit, though more so I believe he ripped this off from the modern Canadian band Conqueror. Throughout this album though you hear not just a ripoff of great original bands such as Beherit, but also great American bands as Judas Iscariot." tells me something about the album. "Well this molested child, is just that, a fucking mannequin of the scene. A plastic, frail duplicate of what once was a real intention, of what once was a real movement." shows, in his opinion, this album's detraction from the style. "If you would to know the summation of their sound, take already worthless modern black metal and add a rock 'n roll producer and side guitarist to the mix." "They have very well produced albums, which convey no emotion and nothing beyond the bourgeois superficiality that most Americans were born and bred for." Maybe it's not quite the description you were looking for, plus it's the first review that didn't raise a banner to the record.