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Well, I listened and suffered to this album something like four or five times.
Yes, I think this album is badly produced, it's ridiculous to say it isn't and I won't even start to explain why.

What's the difference between

- "There's some boring doom riffs here and there and some boring ambient parts"

and:

-"This album is: boring, frayed, lazy, bad produced, drags on and on, frustrating, extremely slow and doesn't have any real climax at the end and worthy as a sleeping pill."?

And I'm glad that the last paragraph was a bit complex for you, makes you internalize better my opinion about this album.

Just deal with it that some people do HATE 'Nadja'. It's stupid to complain about a review which has the exact different opinion than your's.

And BTW, I think that you had to listen to Opeth's Morningrise more than once before reviewing it.

While consisting of only 3 songs, Darkestrah's Sary Oy does not disappoint. The tracks are all very long, with none of them dipping below 10 minutes. They all have a formula: starting out with an instrumental featuring different instruments before going into the main songs. The songs are great and varied, featuring some very original riffs and good vocals. The second track is my favorite since the riffs are very good and the song is compelling. This isn't your average black metal featuring cold, dissonant riffs or whatever. The synths are also used very nicely in the songs, and the bass is audible. This stuff is truly great and a breath of fresh air in black metal. It's nice to see a band from any rare country (like how this one is from Kyrgyzstan) to make a splash in the metal scene. Good luck to these guys in the future as well.

It took me a while to track down this cd, but I eventually got it second hand through the post.
The first thing I discover as soon as I opened the package covering this cd...

I accepted that after one skim thought. I thought it was okay, but reading it again brings out the spelling errors and stuff. Especially since the formatting is really atrocious in your copy-and-paste of it. ;-)

Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt!

He can't spell or punctuate correctly, joins words together for no reason at all and he's too obsessed with his own interpretation of some esoteric books to even give the release the rating it deserves based on the music (he admits as much).

PhantomOTO wrote:

Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt!

I would have accepted Instinct Kill's reviews any time over that dross; the only one I had a problem with was his Iron Maiden one. I still mourn the death of his "Awaken the Guardian" piece, actually.

It looks like an obvious troll... I think the bizarre formatting and Creationist rants gave him away. Though I haven't heard that album in ages, not sure if I'd like it that much if I tried it out today.

Abominatrix wrote:

PhantomOTO wrote:

Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt!

Eh, most of them were silly rambling just like this one, just with better grammar. Do you forget the Megadeth one where he goes on about how metal is about individuality, but cannot support extreme individuality (for which reason The System Has Failed sucks in light of Dave Mustaine's bizarre born again experience)?

Explorers Club is a super project of Trent Gardner of Magellan. He has guests on each album, which perform large to small portions in the album. This album contains many many guests, most notably the trio from Dream Theater (Petrucci, LaBrie, Sherrinan)

I'll put it this way, I would estimate almost 50% of this CD being guitar solos... and no, I am not exagerating. This includes a finale solo which is over 5 minutes long.

Simply put, overall fantastic. If you were to listen just for the solos it's worth your trip, but it's fantastic music, with many experienced vocalists on the album.

You will not be dissapointed in Explorers Club, I can guarruntee that. It's a very good listen, especially for those of you who just love gutar solos.

Witcher: You are dumb. Nowhere did I say they did a Scorpions cover, I made a remark about them "trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band" as a reference to how they've sold out and went "gay eighties" on us. Read the words next time and digest before you make a silly false complaint.

cined: Not disposable, describes the music, one of 5 reviews and a more than adequate piece of work. If the album gets over 20 higher quality reviews I will not complain when it is nuked. Besides, someone has to offset the ridiculous HU fanboying of Golden Cow Crap.

Read my edit.

Edit: And if you dare call my professionalism into question you had better spell it right.

even if it's short, he does cram a lot of musical description in there and in the end he does give me a great idea about how the album sounds.

Sweet zombie jesus what in the hell is all that crap.

Cry more. It pleases me.

I wonder if that 90% review for Killswitch's Dio cover is good enough to be kept. It's on kind of a low level, not to mention that guy plays the dreaded "open-minded"-card.

droneriot wrote:

I wonder if that 90% review for Killswitch's Dio cover is good enough to be kept. It's on kind of a low level, not to mention that guy plays the dreaded "open-minded"-card.

I could write a positive review of it if it gets nuked.

There is no factual mistake. I will never rewrite any review based upon a false complaint. Take your 30,000 point ego trip somewhere else, because we're done here.

That said, I'm not sure such a trivial mistake warranted a deletion...

requiem99 wrote:

There is no factual mistake. I will never rewrite any review based upon a false complaint. Take your 30,000 point ego trip somewhere else, because we're done here.

"It's honestly like listening to a power metal band trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band (they even steal one of their solos for “The Spirit”), and although the Scorpions weren't bad in their day, their day was over 20 years ago. Classic rock it wasn't, lasting music it wasn't. Getting the picture yet?"

There IS a factual mistake: the band hasn't stolen a solo from Scorpions, since they apparently covered another band, Magnum. Since you use this alleged solo rip-off to back up your "they are becoming a Scorpions cover band", as the argument falls apart so does your point. The ad hominem (what does Witcher's score have to do with anything? especially since mods still gain points after doing updates and Witcher does a lot of reports?) doesn't help your case either.

That said, I'm not sure such a trivial mistake warranted a deletion...

Author:	caspian [ Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:35 pm ]
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Human666 wrote: Well, I listened and suffered to this album something like four or five times. Yes, I think this album is badly produced, it's ridiculous to say it isn't and I won't even start to explain why. Obviously you are half deaf. The production is somewhat noisy, but everything's still very clear and audible. Complaining about the production in this album makes about as much sense as saying "Waahhh the guitars are too downtuned" in a Sunn O))) album Quote: What's the difference between - "There's some boring doom riffs here and there and some boring ambient parts" and: -"This album is: boring, frayed, lazy, bad produced, drags on and on, frustrating, extremely slow and doesn't have any real climax at the end and worthy as a sleeping pill."? There's a big difference. For all I know you could be describing a classical recording. Quote: And I'm glad that the last paragraph was a bit complex for you, makes you internalize better my opinion about this album. It wasn't complex, it was just badly written. Quote: Just deal with it that some people do HATE 'Nadja'. It's stupid to complain about a review which has the exact different opinion than your's. Did I complain that you had a different opinion? No. I complained that it was a poorly written review. Quote: And BTW, I think that you had to listen to Opeth's Morningrise more than once before reviewing it. At least my Morningrise review was well written.

Author:	Nightgaunt [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:11 am ]
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Can it, whelps. The thread is just a bulletin board. Not a place for you to get oiled up and wrestle together. You can do that on your own time and in private. I've taken down the contested review, by reason of the poor English (which remains Human666's most persistent problem). I would rather not have done so, but duty is duty.

Author:	UnserHeiligeTod [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:38 pm ]
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aGhost wrote: While consisting of only 3 songs, Darkestrah's Sary Oy does not disappoint. The tracks are all very long, with none of them dipping below 10 minutes. They all have a formula: starting out with an instrumental featuring different instruments before going into the main songs. The songs are great and varied, featuring some very original riffs and good vocals. The second track is my favorite since the riffs are very good and the song is compelling. This isn't your average black metal featuring cold, dissonant riffs or whatever. The synths are also used very nicely in the songs, and the bass is audible. This stuff is truly great and a breath of fresh air in black metal. It's nice to see a band from any rare country (like how this one is from Kyrgyzstan) to make a splash in the metal scene. Good luck to these guys in the future as well. Not only is the review lacking in depth, but nearly half of what it says has already been stated in the previous one. http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=35144

Author:	Abominatrix [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:22 pm ]
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Who let this rambling piece of shit through? Occult Noise Metal? Nope. Only Noise. - 10% Written by TrogBog on October 29th, 2007 [ delete review ] According to John Gill the only member of this band - Alpha Drone plays “Occult Noise Metal”. Now before I go ahead and make my rant on how bad the music is let me take some time with the ideology and themes in this band. Personally what drew me to this band initially was its “tags”; a few people on websites have tagged the genre of this project: “Flying Saucer Black Metal” and “UFO Occult Metal” – both these things interested me as UFOlogy and various forms of occultism I enjoy revising and dabbling excessively in. It took me a while to track down this cd, but I eventually got it second hand through the post. The first thing I discover as soon as I opened the package covering this cd is the stolen symbolism or in fact entire cover art to this release. The artwork is stolen from the main emblem of the Thule Gesselschaft (an esoteric pre-Nazi Volkish and Nordicist organization in Berlin), all John Gill has done is replaced the German sun-wheel or hooked-swastika in the center of the image with a weird, meaningless circle-ring design with some points coming out of it and slopped on Alpha Drone replacing the organizations name. Fair enough, so the artwork is stolen – it’s the music that counts right? No not in this case. I look at the back and see 5 tracks, now most people would not comprehend the titles of these songs. However I knew what most of them ment, as I have studied many themes and follow many covered by such occult music projects. At this point I was actually looking forward to hearing soundscapes to such themes (some very alternative and unknown to the lesser informed or exoteric). The first song Theozoology for example I imagined would be a song of dark nature ambient, as Theozoology for those who don’t know is a branch or hypothesis of theology and biblical specie cosmogony dealing in short with racialism and cosmic nature ‘’Blood, racial purity and soil’’ (later shortened to “Blood and Soil” as an Aryan religion during the Third Reich). By racialism I mean Theozoology is an answer that accounts for the variance of races on this planet, the inventor of Theozoology and initial writer of the subject was an anti-evolutionist as am I. Theozoology therefore simply deals with different racial origins; there however are more then one belief connected to theozoology (and much of it get’s far complex to write about here) so it’s actually a collective term for white supremacist mystics who sensibly can see that races on this planet didn’t have the same origin (The opposite to what is brainwashing kids in our schools, none other then the theory of evolution that teaches that all races evolved from apes in Africa). Anyway now I have briefly explained the meaning and what I actually was hoping I would be hearing from the track, let me tell you what I heard. The guy who wrote the review for this album already giving it 86% is an idiot and he proves my point. As you can see from his analysis of the track Theozoology he has NOT mentioned what the name should actually relate to (in the form of the music). Theozoology has very little to do with UFO’s! And that is all the first minute of the first track portrays in my mind, obscure mechanical/digital noise – what the fuck does this have to do with a biblical or Christian identity hypothesis on racialism? The hint is in the name theoZOOLOGY not UFOlogy. Despite this poor start, there are some eventually some bizarre background chants in the Christian vein and some incomprehensible bestiary type vocals. But that’s about all this track does with some later added minimal horrible guitar, I was infact expecting a dark moody nature soundscape to match the title of this song. O well there’s always track 2. Unfortunately it get’s worse. The second song “Shambala Serrano” has again an obscure title to the average listener. I knew what this song ment however as I had at the time only just finished reading a book by Miguel Serrano an alternative historian, Aryan mystic and nazi collaborator. So Serrano in this title song relates to this author while Shambala relates to inner-terrestrialism (a legendary city) or the Hollow Earth theory (in short the belief that there is a world or different plane of existence inside the core of the earth). So the big question does this track paint a mental image of some lost subterranean city? No, it’s again just noise or infact repetitive droning with some Tibetan hymns and fuzzy horrible bedroom black metal. However the atmosphere created with these fusions of poor noise is actually sacred and religious, maybe this religious or ceremonial atmosphere does have some relation to Serrano’s works however it doesn’t fit the concept of Shambala. If Shambala really existed would it really have a Buddhist or Tibetan link? Despite stupid internet sites written by retards such as wikipedia with what they say on Shambala; the idea of this underground city was NOT originally oriental or Middle-eastern, so why the fuck is this song sounding like that? The joke is that John Gill actually thinks he’s one of these kvlt occultists and misanthropes when all his songs to this release he’s got wrong. He got the first song wrong and Shambala Serrano sounds like Asian crap (when the origin of Shambala is European) so what’s the third? Not so bad. What? That’s right the third song “To take earth back from man” is the best track on this album. Why? Because it has a simple name! And the name or theme doesn’t contradict the sound of the song (like in Theozoology and Shambala Serrano). The track starts similar to an opener on any average martial or military ambient project: epic drumming, militant like background humming and so on. This is not so bad, but then some inhuman vocals or infact grunts can be heard, similar to these stupid porn grind or gore grind genres. This wrecks the track; I was expecting actually that the drumming would lead to some nice metal and spacey ambient that would portray a scene of extraterrestrials invading the earth…instead again nothing but noise and more bedroom black metal (in case you don’t know what bedroom black metal is: minimal fuzzy poor recorded dirty down-tuned guitar and drums)…o yes and of course on this track there are those unavoidable porn grind vocals that fail to even at the slightest to resemble the voice of an alien or extraterrestrial communication. So overall this is the best track on the album, but it still stinks. The next track is Akashaganga. Again what the fuck? No, not that it’s a bizarre name but it’s Indian. What’s wrong with India (a lot obviously) but in this case why the hell have we had the first song on biblical white supremacy and now this? Indian Mythology? With occult or mythology based albums (or anything similar) for them to be successful they have to FLOW and their themes have to be persistent. The Occult Ambient band Equimanthorn for example works well because all the songs are based on Sumerian or Mesopotamian mysticism. With Alpha Drone though an acclaimed occult band we just have a mix and mash of everything, which makes the band look stupid and if it has just found it’s themes off random Google searches. Akashaganga is really no different then the first track Theozoology – background noise, bedroom black metal and more stupid vocals. The only element of this track that I enjoyed was its overall spacey/cosmic feel; similar to say some of Tangerine Dreams space electronics, but it’s really nothing fantastic. This album ends with the track The Sophonaut. Honestly I had no idea what the title ment when I first listened to the cd neither do I have any clue now. But hey I don’t care. Music wise, it is a mix of some spoken word intro’s probably taken from a few Youtube astronomy or Erich Von Daniken videos, progressive mechanical and industrial noise (which is nothing new in comparison to the other songs) and again more bedroom guitar or a similar background dirty beat and minimalist ambience. What did I think of when I listened to this track? A factory. By this i mean one of those songs I would expect from a dark/industrial ambient project from Cold Meat Industry. This isn’t Occult at all. But yes it is noise and it is poor bedroom black metal. If the themes had been different I would have given this album higher then 10% (maybe 30-40) but as I have said this is poor occult project that has no consistent theme and I generally get the impression john gill doesn’t have a clue about any of the esoteric titles he’s used so inappropriately here to some stupid bedroom noise. A waste. He can't spell or punctuate correctly, joins words together for no reason at all and he's too obsessed with his own interpretation of some esoteric books to even give the release the rating it deserves based on the music (he admits as much). Come on! Deleted. Edit: The Darkestra review is also gone.

Author:	~Guest 3496 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:31 pm ]
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I accepted that after one skim thought. I thought it was okay, but reading it again brings out the spelling errors and stuff. Especially since the formatting is really atrocious in your copy-and-paste of it. Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt!

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Author:	droneriot [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:33 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote: It took me a while to track down this cd, but I eventually got it second hand through the post. The first thing I discover as soon as I opened the package covering this cd... I wonder where he got that. I want a copy too!

Author:	Abominatrix [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:54 pm ]
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PhantomOTO wrote: I accepted that after one skim thought. I thought it was okay, but reading it again brings out the spelling errors and stuff. Especially since the formatting is really atrocious in your copy-and-paste of it. Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt! I would have accepted Instinct Kill's reviews any time over that dross; the only one I had a problem with was his Iron Maiden one. I still mourn the death of his "Awaken the Guardian" piece, actually.

Author:	Peregrin [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:28 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote: He can't spell or punctuate correctly, joins words together for no reason at all and he's too obsessed with his own interpretation of some esoteric books to even give the release the rating it deserves based on the music (he admits as much). It looks like an obvious troll... I think the bizarre formatting and Creationist rants gave him away. Though I haven't heard that album in ages, not sure if I'd like it that much if I tried it out today. Hey, that probably applies to a lot of my reviews - I think I deleted a couple because I had no idea if I still agreed with what they said.

Author:	~Guest 3496 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:50 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote: PhantomOTO wrote: I accepted that after one skim thought. I thought it was okay, but reading it again brings out the spelling errors and stuff. Especially since the formatting is really atrocious in your copy-and-paste of it. Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt! I would have accepted Instinct Kill's reviews any time over that dross; the only one I had a problem with was his Iron Maiden one. I still mourn the death of his "Awaken the Guardian" piece, actually. Eh, most of them were silly rambling just like this one, just with better grammar. Do you forget the Megadeth one where he goes on about how metal is about individuality, but cannot support extreme individuality (for which reason The System Has Failed sucks in light of Dave Mustaine's bizarre born again experience)?

Author:	~Guest 3496 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:51 pm ]
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Peregrin wrote: It looks like an obvious troll... I think the bizarre formatting and Creationist rants gave him away. Though I haven't heard that album in ages, not sure if I'd like it that much if I tried it out today. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a troll, but certainly it now is, as the reviewer has vandalized the Black Tribe and (oddly) Rainfall pages.

Author:	Peregrin [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:14 pm ]
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PhantomOTO wrote: Abominatrix wrote: PhantomOTO wrote: I accepted that after one skim thought. I thought it was okay, but reading it again brings out the spelling errors and stuff. Especially since the formatting is really atrocious in your copy-and-paste of it. Now I know how the guy who accepted InstinctKill's reviews felt! I would have accepted Instinct Kill's reviews any time over that dross; the only one I had a problem with was his Iron Maiden one. I still mourn the death of his "Awaken the Guardian" piece, actually. Eh, most of them were silly rambling just like this one, just with better grammar. Do you forget the Megadeth one where he goes on about how metal is about individuality, but cannot support extreme individuality (for which reason The System Has Failed sucks in light of Dave Mustaine's bizarre born again experience)? I don't think they were as bad as this one, or for that matter particularly different than a couple of hells_unicorn's reviews. (mostly the ones that go off on an ideological tangent)

Author:	Nightgaunt [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:13 pm ]
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Mmm. I rejected that the first time around. This is yet another incident leading me to think that perhaps banning/Dursting should be done at the same time, even if the actual offense only pertains to one or the other realm.

Author:	Human666 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:04 pm ]
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http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=13098#12839 No actual music description.

Author:	Nightgaunt [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:49 pm ]
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It stays.

Author:	cinedracusio [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:30 am ]
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Except the review title (which made me shit my pants laughing!), requiem99's review for Luca Turilli's "Moneyquest"(:lol:) is definitely disposable. http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=121321

Author:	UnserHeiligeTod [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:24 pm ]
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I don't know if my entry about Explorers Club was missed or ignored, so I'll post it again: PsyKoCracker wrote: Explorers Club is a super project of Trent Gardner of Magellan. He has guests on each album, which perform large to small portions in the album. This album contains many many guests, most notably the trio from Dream Theater (Petrucci, LaBrie, Sherrinan) I'll put it this way, I would estimate almost 50% of this CD being guitar solos... and no, I am not exagerating. This includes a finale solo which is over 5 minutes long. Simply put, overall fantastic. If you were to listen just for the solos it's worth your trip, but it's fantastic music, with many experienced vocalists on the album. You will not be dissapointed in Explorers Club, I can guarruntee that. It's a very good listen, especially for those of you who just love gutar solos. http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=4080

Author:	OzzyApu [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:25 pm ]
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Nightgaunt?

Author:	Nightgaunt [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:37 am ]
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That one is nuked. Maybe it'd have been good enough if he had at least mentioned something about the solos' style, as opposed to just their number.

Author:	Witcher [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:14 am ]
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Requiem99s Edguy - Superheroes review contains an actual factual mistake. "It's honestly like listening to a power metal band trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band (they even steal one of their solos for “The Spirit”), and although the Scorpions weren't bad in their day, their day was over 20 years ago." http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=89069 They indeed turned to eighties hard rock for inspiration recently, but the song in question is actually a Magnum cover : http://www.sanctuaryrecords.co.uk/magnu ... ed/dragon/ http://artists.letssingit.com/edguy-hq1cf/songs So the rant about stealing Scorpions' solos for that song is really out of place. The musical description is otherwise good, but he makes that accusation an almost central part of his review. I am not saying it should be deleted straight away, but should such reviews with blatant mistakes in them be left on the site unchanged? Or should the users be gven the opportunity to correct such blatant mistakes somehow?

Author:	requiem99 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:05 am ]
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Witcher: Nowhere did I say they did a Scorpions cover, I made a remark about them "trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band" as a reference to how they've sold out and went "gay eighties" on us. Read the words next time and digest before you make a silly false complaint. And I haven't heard the Magnum song but I'll venture a guess the solo they did and the solo Edguy did are not the same. If it's an exact copy, then I should have used a different phrase to describe it. But as it sounds exactly like a Scorpions solo that is why i used that phrase. cined: Not disposable, describes the music, one of 5 reviews and a more than adequate piece of work. If the album gets over 20 higher quality reviews I will not complain when it is nuked. Besides, someone has to offset the ridiculous HU fanboying of Golden Cow Crap. Edit: And I just went back and listened to "The Spirit" again and while that solo may not be an exact Scorpions lift, anyone who has listened to that band will immediately recognize the identifiable solo style.

Author:	Witcher [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:12 am ]
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requiem99 wrote: Witcher: You are dumb. Nowhere did I say they did a Scorpions cover, I made a remark about them "trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band" as a reference to how they've sold out and went "gay eighties" on us. Read the words next time and digest before you make a silly false complaint. cined: Not disposable, describes the music, one of 5 reviews and a more than adequate piece of work. If the album gets over 20 higher quality reviews I will not complain when it is nuked. Besides, someone has to offset the ridiculous HU fanboying of Golden Cow Crap. The point is, that The Spirit is a Magnum song and not one of their own songs , like you suggest. So the cannot be stealing The Scorpions solo for that song. Nobody knows all the songs in the world, but you as a fanzine writer should set the facts about an album straight, before you write a review. That is proffesional, plain and simple. You also seem to have reading comprehension problems - I included two links proving my point. You say what you wanted to say with that review, yes, but mistakes like that are making us all look dumb.

Author:	requiem99 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:12 am ]
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Read my edit. Edit: And if you dare call my "proffesionalism" into question you had better spell it right. How hard is this for you to understand? I hear that solo and I hear Scorpions plagiarism. That is my opinion. I don't know Magnum, and I don't need to correct my opinion when my opinion remains unchanged. Edit2: And I think you are making yourself look dumb enough without my help.

Author:	droneriot [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:17 am ]
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I wonder if that 90% review for Killswitch's Dio cover is good enough to be kept. It's on kind of a low level, not to mention that guy plays the dreaded "open-minded"-card.

Author:	Bloodstone [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:20 am ]
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Lord Requiem's Dreamquest review should stay for the words "catchy lifelessness" alone - never before have I heard 95% of power metal summarized so well and so briefly. Besides, even if it's short, he does cram a lot of musical description in there and in the end he does give me a great idea about how the album sounds.

Author:	Witcher [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:20 am ]
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requiem99 wrote: Read my edit. Edit: And if you dare call my professionalism into question you had better spell it right. English is not my first language, so I may make spelling mistakes, especially when I am typing fast.. To revert to spelling mistakes to avoid the general valid criticism shows something about your self-centered personality, as well as the fact, that you are able to vandalize a page of a band by adding stupid lyrical topics. No matter how you want to turn it now, such mistakes combined with your attitude to it make a fool out of yourself. But unlike you, I know something about metal and hard rock history on a more general scale. So, when a band covers a Saint Viitus song, you will hear a Black Sabbath plagiarism and accuse the band of it or use it as one of your central arguments in case, that their own songs are hearably Sabbath influenced too? The solo is so in the original too, of course, both bands in question started in the seventies and share the same influences. I think that speaks for itself as well as the fact, that you are not able to admit or even correct an objectively provable mistake. I would like you to see the reports the bands are sending us because of mistakes in reviews like this - and they are right, unlike in cases, where the reviewer really just states his opinion.

Author:	requiem99 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:45 am ]
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Sweet zombie jesus what in the hell is all that crap.

Author:	requiem99 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:47 am ]
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Bloodstone wrote: even if it's short, he does cram a lot of musical description in there and in the end he does give me a great idea about how the album sounds. Exactly the point when I review highly disposable music.

Author:	Witcher [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:50 am ]
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requiem99 wrote: Sweet zombie jesus what in the hell is all that crap. That what you deserve for your attitude, Mr. Always-Right, and what someone should do a long time ago already. Since you are not able to accept any reasonable argument, I will present it to others in the mod forum. To continue in it here would be useless, sooner or later, you will get an opinion from another mod. You can be sure that I will not give the cause a rest, seeing how you react to any kind of regular criticism.

Author:	requiem99 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:41 am ]
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Cry more. It pleases me.

Author:	Witcher [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:12 am ]
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requiem99 wrote: Cry more. It pleases me. Enough of childishness. Now I am speaking to you like a moderator. The question is - will you rewrite the review in order to correct the factual mistake about the cover song in question? You can keep the general negative sentiment of it and even the low score, but the mistake is so serious, that it must be remedied. To rewrite the last part of the second paragraph would be enough. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This part: "It's honestly like listening to a power metal band trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band (they even steal one of their solos for “The Spirit”), and although the Scorpions weren't bad in their day, their day was over 20 years ago. Classic rock it wasn't, lasting music it wasn't. Getting the picture yet?" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Awful pop bullshit. Goodbye Edguy. - 26% Written by requiem99 on September 20th, 2005 Yes, that's the real cover of the new Edguy EP Superheroes. The same band that once penned the beautiful “Theater of Salvation”, an operatic and epic rant against Christian doctrine, is now writing radio pop songs complete with 80s keyboard backing and anthemic, arena rock lyrics. Ok, we get it guys, you like to have a lot of fun with your music, but like the drunk guys that run around outside my apartment fighting and throwing shit, the rest of the world isn't having as much fun as you are. Edguy were drifting away from metal territory with the flawed but still superb 2004 release Hellfire Club, but if this is the direction the band is going now, count me the fuck out. Perhaps if this is how they had been from the beginning I wouldn't be so pissed, but pulling this kind of artistic about-face is just a colossal waste of talent, and as long as I'm still writing about metal I won't stand for it. Most of these songs are verse/chorus/verse pop bullshit, with trilling guitars that make Helloween look dark and keyboards that recall the phrase “Vain Gloryhole Opera”. This isn't less metal than, say, Twilightning, but it does suck a lot more, and believe it or not, the lyrics are a lot worse. It's hard to believe how far backward this band has gone in the maturation process – Most bands grow up, Edguy have grown down, becoming less complex, less intelligent, less meaningful, and far sillier and childish as they've grown older. It's honestly like listening to a power metal band trying to turn into a Scorpions cover band (they even steal one of their solos for “The Spirit”), and although the Scorpions weren't bad in their day, their day was over 20 years ago. Classic rock it wasn't, lasting music it wasn't. Getting the picture yet? Edguy can go lower, and they can still become less metal, but this is a glimpse of just how shitty this formerly inspiring band has become. It's always a tragedy when a band goes from great to gay in only two albums, but there is 6 tracks of proof right here. Their next album is an artistic shitsock, guaranteed. Originally written for http://www.metalcrypt.com

Author:	Noktorn [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:45 am ]
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droneriot wrote: I wonder if that 90% review for Killswitch's Dio cover is good enough to be kept. It's on kind of a low level, not to mention that guy plays the dreaded "open-minded"-card. I could write a positive review of it if it gets nuked.

Author:	requiem99 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:05 am ]
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There is no factual mistake. I will never rewrite any review based upon a false complaint. Take your 30,000 point ego trip somewhere else, because we're done here.

Author:	Bloodstone [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:46 am ]
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Noktorn wrote: droneriot wrote: I wonder if that 90% review for Killswitch's Dio cover is good enough to be kept. It's on kind of a low level, not to mention that guy plays the dreaded "open-minded"-card. I could write a positive review of it if it gets nuked. That's what I'm planning to do. I find all the hate over it rather unnecessary. The three last reviews all boil down to "KsE sucks, metalcore sucks, and - surprise, surprise - this cover sucks". Considering I have a lot of respect for Empyreal and hells_unicorn, this just disappoints me.

Author:	Noktorn [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:00 am ]
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Everyone thinks that bands like Dio or Iron Maiden are THEIR bands, and no one else's. Like they had some sort of personal connection with them that transcends space and time.

Author:	Witcher [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:39 pm ]
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requiem99 wrote: There is no factual mistake. I will never rewrite any review based upon a false complaint. Take your 30,000 point ego trip somewhere else, because we're done here. As you wish, nuked for containing factual mistakes.