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Author:  immortalshadow666 [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:45 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=4004#49953

Necroanatoly's review contains four lines apart from the track by track part, which are frowned upon anyway. I'd say this is prime candidate for a roastin'.

Author:  KarmaLord [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:51 pm ]
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http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=21427#1550

NU metallica song - 12%
Written by KRISIUN69filth on May 31st, 2003

Basically nothing more than an incoherent and heated vent.

Author:  Karnstein_Records [ Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:26 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=122213

No musical description whatsoever. All I know is that it's raw and that the reviewer doesn't like it.

Author:  Radagast [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:02 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=230469

The top one - basically for all the inaccuracies. He talks about how bad the keyboard sound imitating the violin on one song is, when it is in fact a real violin. Same with him saying "why don't they get real instrumentalists in?" when in fact they have. Also, no matter how much you dislike a band, saying they can't play their instruments when clearly they can and you just don't like the sound they are producing has no place in a decent review.

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:30 am ]
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Radagast wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=230469

The top one - basically for all the inaccuracies. He talks about how bad the keyboard sound imitating the violin on one song is, when it is in fact a real violin. Same with him saying "why don't they get real instrumentalists in?" when in fact they have. Also, no matter how much you dislike a band, saying they can't play their instruments when clearly they can and you just don't like the sound they are producing has no place in a decent review.


I hadn't even bothered to read Tymell's review because I assumed it would be chock full of idiotic statements, but I concur that blaring inaccuracies like this, at the very least, should be corrected. Perhaps someone could email Tymell and tell him to fix those statements. The review itself is a borderline 3 pointer, but I wouldn't call for nuking it until we get a few more up there. Having said that, I wouldn't mind it if all of Tymell's shitty reviews got nuked on general principle, they are absolutely annoying to read and often a total eyesore.

Author:  Radagast [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:47 am ]
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hells_unicorn wrote:
Radagast wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=230469

The top one - basically for all the inaccuracies. He talks about how bad the keyboard sound imitating the violin on one song is, when it is in fact a real violin. Same with him saying "why don't they get real instrumentalists in?" when in fact they have. Also, no matter how much you dislike a band, saying they can't play their instruments when clearly they can and you just don't like the sound they are producing has no place in a decent review.


I hadn't even bothered to read Tymell's review because I assumed it would be chock full of idiotic statements, but I concur that blaring inaccuracies like this, at the very least, should be corrected. Perhaps someone could email Tymell and tell him to fix those statements. The review itself is a borderline 3 pointer, but I wouldn't call for nuking it until we get a few more up there. Having said that, I wouldn't mind it if all of Tymell's shitty reviews got nuked on general principle, they are absolutely annoying to read and often a total eyesore.

Not Tymell, the review I was talking about seems to have been deleted already. Hooray!

Author:  Darth_Roxor [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:11 am ]
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Radagast wrote:
Not Tymell, the review I was talking about seems to have been deleted already. Hooray!


No, it wasn't. I edited it to fix a few typoes I spotted, and it needs to get accepted again.

And so you say that there are actual violinists there. Well, funny thing, I can't see them mentioned either on their Myspace, or here on their metal-archives profile, nor at the album's page. I can't see anyone with any violins in the Keelhauled video either.

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Also, no matter how much you dislike a band, saying they can't play their instruments when clearly they can and you just don't like the sound they are producing has no place in a decent review.


Huh? The keyboards sound so godawful that I can't quite tell if the keyboardist can 'play them'. Drums are for the most part so irrelevant that putting a monkey behind the drumkit would probably have a similar effect. If I completely don't like the band's sound, and that's not because it's a genre I don't like, but because the very musicianship is both bland AND horrible, I can safely assume that their skills with instruments equal shit.

Author:  Derigin [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:37 pm ]
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Its been re-accepted. I'm not a fan of UltraBoris-esque track by tracks, but it's acceptable nonetheless.

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:01 pm ]
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Radagast wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
Radagast wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=230469

The top one - basically for all the inaccuracies. He talks about how bad the keyboard sound imitating the violin on one song is, when it is in fact a real violin. Same with him saying "why don't they get real instrumentalists in?" when in fact they have. Also, no matter how much you dislike a band, saying they can't play their instruments when clearly they can and you just don't like the sound they are producing has no place in a decent review.


I hadn't even bothered to read Tymell's review because I assumed it would be chock full of idiotic statements, but I concur that blaring inaccuracies like this, at the very least, should be corrected. Perhaps someone could email Tymell and tell him to fix those statements. The review itself is a borderline 3 pointer, but I wouldn't call for nuking it until we get a few more up there. Having said that, I wouldn't mind it if all of Tymell's shitty reviews got nuked on general principle, they are absolutely annoying to read and often a total eyesore.

Not Tymell, the review I was talking about seems to have been deleted already. Hooray!


I see, I didn't see the things you pointed out in the first two paragraphs of his review, but I assumed that they were in there since his was on top. I guess I got to it just after it was taken down. Nonetheless, my stance on Tymell's reviews remains.

Author:  Radagast [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:02 am ]
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Darth_Roxor wrote:
Radagast wrote:
Not Tymell, the review I was talking about seems to have been deleted already. Hooray!


No, it wasn't. I edited it to fix a few typoes I spotted, and it needs to get accepted again.

And so you say that there are actual violinists there. Well, funny thing, I can't see them mentioned either on their Myspace, or here on their metal-archives profile, nor at the album's page. I can't see anyone with any violins in the Keelhauled video either.

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Also, no matter how much you dislike a band, saying they can't play their instruments when clearly they can and you just don't like the sound they are producing has no place in a decent review.


Huh? The keyboards sound so godawful that I can't quite tell if the keyboardist can 'play them'. Drums are for the most part so irrelevant that putting a monkey behind the drumkit would probably have a similar effect. If I completely don't like the band's sound, and that's not because it's a genre I don't like, but because the very musicianship is both bland AND horrible, I can safely assume that their skills with instruments equal shit.

So because there are no violinists in the music video that means they aren't playing on the song? I guess the album's inlay must be misprinted then...Tell you what, I'll update the archives page for the album soon, just for you.

And now it's gone from "they can't play their instruments" to "I can't tell/don't care if they can play their instruments?" Says more about you than the band, I think.

Author:  Darth_Roxor [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:27 am ]
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Radagast wrote:
So because there are no violinists in the music video that means they aren't playing on the song?


Reading comprehension isn't your best side, isn't it?

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I guess the album's inlay must be misprinted then...Tell you what, I'll update the archives page for the album soon, just for you.


Be my guest. Even if that's true, I fear I'll just have to update the review with a notice how awful violinists they've hired then.

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And now it's gone from "they can't play their instruments" to "I can't tell/don't care if they can play their instruments?" Says more about you than the band, I think.


Reading comprehension strikes back, ladies and gentlemen.

Author:  daemon_necromaton [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:07 pm ]
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colin040's review of To Mega Therion is the worst I've seen in a while. He doesn't bother to argue any of his claims and ends up casually dismissing an important album in only four paragraphs. It reads like something you'd find on a mp3 blog.

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1524

Author:  Deviante [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:29 pm ]
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^ I agree. (Though actually thinking about it, some of the other reviews are not that much into detail, either).

Author:  daemon_necromaton [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:17 pm ]
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Yeah, that album hasn't had much luck with reviewers.

Author:  overkill666 [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:10 pm ]
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daemon_necromaton wrote:
colin040's review of To Mega Therion is the worst I've seen in a while. He doesn't bother to argue any of his claims and ends up casually dismissing an important album in only four paragraphs. It reads like something you'd find on a mp3 blog.

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1524


It's acceptable, in my opinion. It's just incredibly half-assed. There needs to be more description. It's basically, 'here's three tracks, whole album sucks'. I didn't gain anything by reading it.

Author:  BastardHead [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:18 pm ]
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That review is god awful. It's a crappy, "baby's first review" pseudo track-by-track that only goes through three before just giving up and saying the rest of the album isn't very good. No real reasons why, just a lame shrugging off of everything after that with only a brief mention of the last track in what seems to be some vain attempt at making it sound like he heard the whole thing.

Looking at some of his other reviews, they all seem pretty bad, and most of them are recent :|

Author:  morbert [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:43 am ]
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BastardHead wrote:
That review is god awful. It's a crappy, "baby's first review" pseudo track-by-track that only goes through three before just giving up and saying the rest of the album isn't very good. No real reasons why, just a lame shrugging off of everything after that with only a brief mention of the last track in what seems to be some vain attempt at making it sound like he heard the whole thing.

Looking at some of his other reviews, they all seem pretty bad, and most of them are recent :|


Yes, i.m.o. a classical example of a young boy who wants to understand too much music in an extremely short time. I don't question his good intentions by diving into as many classics as possible at his age but seeing all his reviews, he's going through a lot of classics without giving them the chance to age/grow on him. Writing down his primary and first emotions. I'll bet he'll rewrite or delete quite a few within a few years.

Author:  heavymetalbackwards [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:26 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=116755

What is this site's policy on incomplete reviews? In this review of an interactive CD-rom, the reviewer admits to never playing the games or watching the videos. I could understand if these were just extras, but this was a digital experience specifically marketed as such.

Author:  CHRISTI_NS_ANITY8 [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:30 am ]
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daemon_necromaton wrote:
colin040's review of To Mega Therion is the worst I've seen in a while. He doesn't bother to argue any of his claims and ends up casually dismissing an important album in only four paragraphs. It reads like something you'd find on a mp3 blog.

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1524


I just partially agree because it's not terrible. Colin should improve his analysis skills for the songs and not just say they are boring. It needed more description but the rest is not that bad, however a lack of description is a quite bad thing, don't get me wrong!

Author:  Sean16 [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:14 am ]
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Agreed. When a review is shorter than Snxke's review for the same album it can't be a good thing, but I haven't found anything scandalous in it either. There are only 5 reviews for this album after all, and none of outstanding quality, so I don't see any need for nuking this particular one. Maybe if someone could eventually come with a decent review this would be another matter.

Author:  ScourgeOfDeath [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:49 am ]
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Sean16 wrote:
Agreed. When a review is shorter than Snxke's review for the same album it can't be a good thing, but I haven't found anything scandalous in it either. There are only 5 reviews for this album after all, and none of outstanding quality, so I don't see any need for nuking this particular one. Maybe if someone could eventually come with a decent review this would be another matter.


Incidentally, I was considering taking that album for quite some time. The mods may take the nuke missiles out after I am done with the album. My review will probably be of 800+ words.

Author:  Acrobat [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:46 am ]
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Ravenlord266's review of Stormwitch's Stronger Than Heaven. Poorly formatted and with individual track scoring. I intend to review this album sometime soon (probably today or tomorrow) and I'm going to score it similarly.

Author:  immortalshadow666 [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:13 pm ]
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HailVUUZDP's review of "Quintessence" really serves no purpose, especially with other reviews there:

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1881#1713

His Iron Monkey review is terrible too, but I understand it may have to be kept since it's the only review there for that album. http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=16739#1713

Author:  Sean16 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:36 pm ]
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Let the children come to them! - 59%
Written by Freezerator on July 26th, 2009

I’ll write my review as briefly as I can, so that I won’t bore anyone else with unnecessary details. This is the pinnacle of their decadence. It can’t go any worse than that.

After their pretty much successful “Matase alba”, Iris released “Maxima” three years later. I have to mention that “4 Motion” is not a full length album, but a compilation. It comprises 4 discs, each disc dedicated to every member of the band. The one who submitted the band should make this change as soon as possible, so that there won’t be any misunderstandings. Let’s come back to “Maxima”. Don’t get fooled by the title, it is not Iris at their Maximum, on the contrary, it’s the other way round.

The record starts with a song dedicated to fans. It seems that Minculescu ran out of ideas, as this theme had already been exhausted by this band in the past. But, let’s go further. Love, love, love….I’m sure Paul Mc Cartney will be more than pleased to have the lyrics of this album translated to him. Loads of love everywhere… Not only teenagers do fall for this trick anymore, so why don’t you try to volunteer into programmes helping blind people, if you have so many love energies left inside? Kindergarten shitheads, however, do fall for this one. Surprisingly, we can hear a children choir on this album, making me thing of the following question: What the fuck is happening? I guess, Minculescu & CO. wanted to become grandfathers all of a sudden.

Best tracks? I can’t answer to that question, but I surely can say what the worst songs of the album are: “Omul care imi aduce ploaia” (The man who brings me the rain), “Nu te mai cred” (I don’t believe you anymore) and “Vals fara de sfarsit” (Never ending waltz). The latter is some kind of a prologue, but its theme is already included in “Vals” (Waltz). The rest is pop rock shit, with its catchiness and softness.

As a conclusion, there is only one thing left to say. Little girls, if you already have premonitions about sucking a man’s cock, than listen to this album right away and your premonitions will be thrown away by the never ending power of love. Or, you should better listen to Devourment’s “Serial cocksucker”. May the power of innocence protect you all!


http://www.metal-archives.com/review.ph ... 832#199797


What bugs me isn’t especially it barely tells anything about the music (the only musical description being it’s “pop rock shit”, and it uses a children choir. c’mon), but the second paragraph I’ve put in bold has absolutely nothing to do in a review. Well it’s only the second review for this album so it might be acceptable, but it’s pretty weak overall.

Author:  Napero [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:52 pm ]
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Gone and cleaned.

Author:  Aeturnus65 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:36 pm ]
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Seeing a new review for Lost Horizon's debut led to discovery of this OSheaman piece:

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1394#1192

Pretty terrible overall, with very little actual, meaningful content, and that Pros/Cons list is just ridiculous. There are plenty of other reviews that actually discuss the album; readers of this particular one will learn next to nothing about it, other than the fact that it fits into the vague power metal notion of "cheesy".

Author:  Derigin [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:45 pm ]
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Removed.

Author:  EntilZha [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:22 pm ]
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Hm. The new Stovokor review kind of blows.

Author:  MercyfulSatyr [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:47 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=20457

DOOMGIVER's review, second from the bottom. All it says is "I love this band ... they sound like Darkthrone." After reading it I have no clue what to expect. Not good.

Author:  Sean16 [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:47 pm ]
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PURE LUMINOUS BLACK METAL. - 100%
Written by Iaida on March 14th, 2008

The vocals are sharp and distorted as is the music. Every track is uniquely dark in their own way. "The great batallion" is just weird dark ambience, which conpliments the album very well. The firth track "deep nostalgia" is the best on eyet. It shows deep dark tones taht i havent heard before. The vocals compliment this song rather well. Extremely dark but without being heavy in parts, just dart tranqual portion after portion. I believe these tracks are made up of the two demos before it along with the self-titled track "mortuus caelum". This is a great album to know about if your just getting into black metal. This is a perfect exhample of what black metal is and should be about, raw darkness. The riffs are so amzing in this. The next track is holocaust divine.This track, as teh next few are quick but agressive, really extreme. Any fan of extreme metal should get this. This is raw, pure darkness. Track nine, burning the astral winds, is as good as deep nostalgia, maybe even better. The entire album has been so dark and extreme, one of the best black metal albums in my collection. The last track is desecration of liminance. This one starts off heavy and ends heavy, a true masterpiece of black metal.


http://www.metal-archives.com/review.ph ... 606#124621

batallion, conpliments, tranqual, amzing to quote only a few. There are better reviews in the Crappy Diem thread these days.


All four reviews from this user are terrible anyway, one-paragraph long, full of typos and grammar errors. Though I'll admit they tell something about the music... kind of.

Author:  Ribos [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:15 pm ]
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http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=87680#145170

Now, I can understand if you dislike Sunn O))) because it doesn't do anything for you. But this guy... is kind of missing a lot of the point here. Notice he flat-out states he hates black metal vocals. If you hate the concept from the outset, why would you review something with said concept? It doesn't tell me if the vocals are well-done or not, just that they are "black metal styled" and that he hates them for that reason.

Furthermore, he calls it monotonous and then complains when the musicians do something different, claiming the album has "no flow."

All his musical description tells me is that there are long held notes on distorted guitars (which comes with the territory of the genre), and that there are black metal vocals on at least one song. He completely forgot to mention that there are different vocalists on different songs (those vocals aren't quite as monotonous as he said). He mentions nothing of the riffs, and of any Sunn O))) album, this has the clearest riffing. No drums on the album? Someone didn't listen to "Orthodox Caveman," unless those aren't actually cymbals and bass drums in the last minute. But that's just a minor point.

He dismisses the production ("what's there to produce?") when in fact the production often makes or breaks a drone album. Not to mention that guitar tone and distortion are part of the production process.

I'm not fanboying over Sunn O))) here. Hell, I think Black One is pretty overrated, honestly. But while the album could use a few negative reviews, I'd like them to actually discuss what's wrong with the drone instead of just saying "drone sucks, black metal vocals suck, kthxbye."

But even if this review is acceptable, it doesn't explain why Acherontic's review is still up. While Trilogique's review didn't tell me more about the music than the fact it's drone, Acherontic doesn't even tell us that. It's simplistic, and it's crap. That's all. Nothing else. Not to mention it's a poorly-formatted track-by-track analysis.

Author:  Nightgaunt [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:38 pm ]
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Deleted the review by Acherontic (as well as a positive review in the same style by GrippingBeast, which you conspicuously failed to mention). As for the other one, I think it's pretty damn glib of you to try and claim that you're only trying to have it removed on technical grounds, and not because it offends your polite-society sense of decorum. Because we've been cleaning the pages for well-known groups for several years now and standards have gradually increased, this seems to be becoming more and more common in this thread. Perhaps I need to think of some sort of minor punishment to preclude this.

Edit: Also removed all reviews by Iada.

Author:  marktheviktor [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:52 pm ]
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Dealing out punishment for certain suggested removals in this Oven Fodder thread would be slightly cavalier and petty IMHO. It would be counterproductive to it's purpose. After all, they are nothing more than suggestions. But I agree with your overall concern in general. I think his intent for quality was in the right place.

Author:  Ribos [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:54 pm ]
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Nightgaunt wrote:
Deleted the review by Acherontic (as well as a positive review in the same style by GrippingBeast, which you conspicuously failed to mention). As for the other one, I think it's pretty damn glib of you to try and claim that you're only trying to have it removed on technical grounds, and not because it offends your polite-society sense of decorum. Because we've been cleaning the pages for well-known groups for several years now and standards have gradually increased, this seems to be becoming more and more common in this thread. Perhaps I need to think of some sort of minor punishment to preclude it.

I honestly didn't bother to look at the positive reviews. Looking back at the most recent one (TheArmoredVirus's), I definitely feel that could go on many of the same bases as my complaints against Trilogique's, and I'm sure others will fit as well. As I said, I think the album is overrated and I certainly don't mind a few of the upper-rated ones coming down, but when you've got a sea of positive reviews, the negative ones stick out a bit more.

But with regards to Trilogique's, I honestly did feel the review did not meet the standards of the site. I swear that it had nothing to do with "offending my polite-society sense of decorum." I only noticed the review on the "Newly accepted reviews" page, and that's why it drew my attention. I did not mean to suggest that the mods have gotten lazy with cleaning reviews, my only intention was to maintain the quality of this site. And I've stuck around here for too long for that to be a line of bullshit. :)

Sorry for any misunderstanding!

Author:  Avaddons_blood [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:36 am ]
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daemon_necromaton wrote:
colin040's review of To Mega Therion is the worst I've seen in a while. He doesn't bother to argue any of his claims and ends up casually dismissing an important album in only four paragraphs. It reads like something you'd find on a mp3 blog.

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1524


He's just a dumb kid, who cares about his half-assed analysis anyway.

Author:  weakling_goat [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:13 am ]
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I always thought this review was pretty uninformative. Most of it is just talking about the band and black metal in general. Here's the only musical part.
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Arckanum don't play a depressive suicidal black metal, but a mixture between black and thrash that recalls the eighties (defined by their leader Shamaatae the period "when the music was good"). That means we're not in front of a blast beat supported buzz, but a thrash fast tempos supported buzz, exactly àla Bathory of the first period, even if we must add the eighties roots are also witnessed by a certain structural variety, that does not refuse any brighter break and some more doomish song (doomish, not suicidal black).

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.ph ... 287#165896

Author:  heavymetalbackwards [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:13 pm ]
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heavymetalbackwards wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=116755

What is this site's policy on incomplete reviews? In this review of an interactive CD-rom, the reviewer admits to never playing the games or watching the videos. I could understand if these were just extras, but this was a digital experience specifically marketed as such.


Just wondering for future reference if I come across something like this, it is indeed okay, right?

Author:  Nightgaunt [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:03 pm ]
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heavymetalbackwards wrote:
heavymetalbackwards wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=116755

What is this site's policy on incomplete reviews? In this review of an interactive CD-rom, the reviewer admits to never playing the games or watching the videos. I could understand if these were just extras, but this was a digital experience specifically marketed as such.


Just wondering for future reference if I come across something like this, it is indeed okay, right?


No, it's not necessarily okay. Reviews of miscellaneous releases such as this are held to slightly different descriptive standards; while the most important thing is that the writer review the musical performance, which DawnoftheShred does, s/he should also generally sum up the other features, even if s/he doesn't spend a great deal of time evaluating them in detail (this naturally does not apply to things like "making of" home video releases, and the like). Because this review doesn't do this, it should probably be removed.

So, to put it another way, if Dawnoftheshred had hypothetically given a brief (but comprehensive) rundown of the release's general format, what he had there would've been fine, even if he'd only focused in any real depth on the actual songs (note that his is the first review, as well, and hence subject to slightly lower standards).

Author:  theposega [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:07 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3800#4825

Really doesn't say anything about the album.

Author:  Call_From_The_Tower [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:38 am ]
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Just reading through some Burzum reviews and thought that two for Filosofem weren't really all that great. Doomknocker's one at the top of the page is pretty poor and has very minimal musical description and Ijuha's one basically has no musical description at all.

They just seem a bit superfluous considering there's already 20+ reviews for that album.

Links:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=382
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=382#61651

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