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Author:  hakarl [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:04 am ]
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ChildOfTheTwilight's review on Anathema - Alternative 4

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1610#2207

Very, very short. Other reviews have made it redundant.

Author:  Napero [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:36 pm ]
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A heavy-handed and cruel pruning has been finished, and the thread can be considered cleaned up to this point.

I must stress again that the name of the reviewer and a link to the review are basic requirements for the reports posted here. I will skip any posts that do not have those.

Author:  yentass [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:54 pm ]
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Napero wrote:
A heavy-handed and cruel pruning has been finished, and the thread can be considered cleaned up to this point.

I must stress again that the name of the reviewer and a link to the review are basic requirements for the reports posted here. I will skip any posts that do not have those.


...Even to pages with a single review on them?

Author:  EntilZha [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:03 pm ]
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yentass wrote:
Napero wrote:
A heavy-handed and cruel pruning has been finished, and the thread can be considered cleaned up to this point.

I must stress again that the name of the reviewer and a link to the review are basic requirements for the reports posted here. I will skip any posts that do not have those.


...Even to pages with a single review on them?

Of course. Otherwise the mod looking at it has no idea if that single review is the one being referred to, or if maybe the release had two reviews before and another mod already nuked the nukeworthy one.

Author:  yentass [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:34 pm ]
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EntilZha wrote:
yentass wrote:
Napero wrote:
A heavy-handed and cruel pruning has been finished, and the thread can be considered cleaned up to this point.

I must stress again that the name of the reviewer and a link to the review are basic requirements for the reports posted here. I will skip any posts that do not have those.


...Even to pages with a single review on them?

Of course. Otherwise the mod looking at it has no idea if that single review is the one being referred to, or if maybe the release had two reviews before and another mod already nuked the nukeworthy one.


Feels a little awkward, but makes perfect sense nontheless. I'll overlook the ones I didn't name the user then and repost.

Author:  yentass [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:23 am ]
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So there goes:

Unless there's a softer policy for newcoming reviewers, these should go:

NileBrutality (formatting):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=2671#118116
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=138824#118116
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=201852#118116

And carlnyc (lack of substance):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=243721#217540

These are my older posts. I don't think Napero came that while back in his pruning, since some of their "violations" are quite severe:

thammaren (lack of substance):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=158251#155125

Bart (lack of substance), md25 (song by song, lack of substance):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=6317

Lustmord65 (formatting - double breaks):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=174644#138425

babarasghar (formatting - double breaks):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=174644#138425

Reverof_Nohtaram (formatting - double breaks), caspian (non-unicode characters):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=133482

DARKMETALPASSION, grimdoom (both - formatting):
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=186980

Author:  Napero [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:50 pm ]
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yentass, don't overdo it. This thread is for really crappy stuff, not just minor formatting errors. I told caspian to resubmit his, for example, and several of the others are far from atrocious.

Some nuked, some left, in other words. And the way you linked them is very nice.

Author:  EntilZha [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:18 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/userrevie ... me=Cochino

90-100% of his reviews can be killed, depending on how harsh you want to be. All of them are short, lacking description and formatted poorly, a few are passable as three-pointers on a generous day, the majority of them is pure waste.

Definite kills:
Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium "Not bad, but not that good either" - 68% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3023#62394
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus "Saint Vitus" - 97% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=128#62394
Pungent Stench - Ampeauty "Average in a bad way." - 55% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=50786#62394
Pungent Stench - Club Mondo Bizarre - For Members Only "A masterpiece" - 100% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=10892#62394
Macabre - Grim Reality "An often overlooked piece of history" - 90% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=54251#62394

Probably more there, too lazy to look now.

Author:  KerberosOfHades [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:22 pm ]
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Not sure if this makes a review eligible for deletion, but this review for Primordial's Spirit the Earth Aflame has a terrible typo in the title: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1510#2614

Its not a bad review by any means but that typo is cringe-inducing, especially since it's in a one-word title. Is that reason enough for nuking?

Author:  ~Guest 193166 [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:41 am ]
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I'm not a moderator, but I do think that rather than nuking the entire thing, that the reviewer should be contacted and resolve it themselves, or if possible, a moderator could fix it. I also agree, the review itself isn't bad.

Author:  KerberosOfHades [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:27 am ]
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That sounds good in theory but I don't think moderators are allowed to edit reviews and the review was written 6 years ago so I doubt the reviewer is still around.

Author:  EntilZha [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:46 pm ]
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The review autothrall submitted for "Maiden England" (--> Link.) was obviously meant for "Maiden Japan": http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=2384

EDIT: Sent him a pm so he knows that he has to resubmit it for the correct release.

Author:  Woolie_Wool [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:08 am ]
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Looks like authothrall might have nuked it himself.

Author:  Peter31095Metalhead [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:09 pm ]
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Is it just me, or Tzeench's review does nothing but complain about how Darkthrone are not black metal anymore?

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=102351

Author:  Derigin [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:01 am ]
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EntilZha wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/userreviews.php?id=62394&nickname=Cochino

90-100% of his reviews can be killed, depending on how harsh you want to be. All of them are short, lacking description and formatted poorly, a few are passable as three-pointers on a generous day, the majority of them is pure waste.

Definite kills:
Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium "Not bad, but not that good either" - 68% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3023#62394
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus "Saint Vitus" - 97% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=128#62394
Pungent Stench - Ampeauty "Average in a bad way." - 55% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=50786#62394
Pungent Stench - Club Mondo Bizarre - For Members Only "A masterpiece" - 100% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=10892#62394
Macabre - Grim Reality "An often overlooked piece of history" - 90% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=54251#62394

Probably more there, too lazy to look now.

Dealt with now.

KerberosOfHades wrote:
Not sure if this makes a review eligible for deletion, but this review for Primordial's Spirit the Earth Aflame has a terrible typo in the title: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1510#2614

Its not a bad review by any means but that typo is cringe-inducing, especially since it's in a one-word title. Is that reason enough for nuking?

He is still around. I just attempted to contact him on it, it's in his court now.

Peter31095Metalhead wrote:
Is it just me, or Tzeench's review does nothing but complain about how Darkthrone are not black metal anymore?

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=102351

His opinion is absolutely alright, but that review was poorly written in so many ways. Removed.

Author:  ~Guest 193166 [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:11 pm ]
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Derigin wrote:
EntilZha wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/userreviews.php?id=62394&nickname=Cochino

90-100% of his reviews can be killed, depending on how harsh you want to be. All of them are short, lacking description and formatted poorly, a few are passable as three-pointers on a generous day, the majority of them is pure waste.

Definite kills:
Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium "Not bad, but not that good either" - 68% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3023#62394
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus "Saint Vitus" - 97% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=128#62394
Pungent Stench - Ampeauty "Average in a bad way." - 55% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=50786#62394
Pungent Stench - Club Mondo Bizarre - For Members Only "A masterpiece" - 100% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=10892#62394
Macabre - Grim Reality "An often overlooked piece of history" - 90% - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=54251#62394

Probably more there, too lazy to look now.

Dealt with now.


This one can most likely go (one written by Cochino). Again, a major lack of description here and this one is almost another "track by track."

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=11431#62394

I might track down more of them in the future, seeing as time isn't on my side at the current moment.

Author:  EntilZha [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:12 pm ]
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Yeah, noticed that one too. He seems to spend more time writing about the intro clips than the actual songs.

Author:  Erotetic [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:32 pm ]
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I'm curious how this review by Daru_Jericho was accepted (is 'Originally written for...' regarded as some sort of credential?)
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=241732

it seems to do little more than iterate what is on the band page, and mention the fact that he doesn't like it.

reading that review, I didn't learn anything (if anything, it was misleading with respect to the additional folk instruments), least of all the most stark fact about the band that I discovered when listening to the album myself (their remarkable similarity to fellow Germans In Extremo; the notable dissimilarities of which are also completely overlooked in the review). Nothing is said of their "Folk/Epic/Gothic Metal" classification, such as which elements are or are not present, and in what ways, on this album (which, for a band with seven albums under their belt, is indeed important if that classification is even accurate of any of the other albums, which it isn't of this).

Author:  KerberosOfHades [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:52 pm ]
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Erotetic wrote:
I'm curious how this review by Daru_Jericho was accepted (is 'Originally written for...' regarded as some sort of credential?)
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=241732

it seems to do little more than iterate what is on the band page, and mention the fact that he doesn't like it.

reading that review, I didn't learn anything (if anything, it was misleading with respect to the additional folk instruments), least of all the most stark fact about the band that I discovered when listening to the album myself (their remarkable similarity to fellow Germans In Extremo; the notable dissimilarities of which are also completely overlooked in the review). Nothing is said of their "Folk/Epic/Gothic Metal" classification, such as which elements are or are not present, and in what ways, on this album (which, for a band with seven albums under their belt, is indeed important if that classification is even accurate of any of the other albums, which it isn't of this).


I think the "originally written for" is a way of avoiding plagiarism issues, though I could be wrong.

Anyway, granted the review isn't amazing but it gives sufficient musical description in my opinion; it describes the array of folk instruments, comments on the weak and unoriginal drum and guitar work and that the fact that the bagpipes are the only instruments adding some variation. He also gives reasonable description of the vocals and makes a comparison with a very well known folk metal band so as to help the reader get an idea as to what it might sound like at least as far as the bagpipes go.

Author:  Malacoda [ Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:04 am ]
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The band Blatant Disarray has one review for each of their releases, both by the same reviewer, who is clearly either in the band or a friend of the band (he only has reviewed those albums and Napalm Death's "Scum" and was the person who added the band). Both reviews are 100%, track-by-track, and are incredibly short, with minimal description of....uh....anything. Links:

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=20776
http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=28759

Author:  Voice_of_Reason [ Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:02 am ]
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Not to mention his listed homepage. Definitely an association there.

Author:  harbringer [ Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:56 am ]
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Malacoda wrote:
The band Blatant Disarray has one review for each of their releases, both by the same reviewer, who is clearly either in the band or a friend of the band (he only has reviewed those albums and Napalm Death's "Scum" and was the person who added the band). Both reviews are 100%, track-by-track, and are incredibly short, with minimal description of....uh....anything. Links:

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=20776
http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=28759


Probably since those were written in 2003 and the review standards were much more lenient. Personally I prefer a lot of the older reviews to the newer ones, though those are pretty minimal.

Author:  Malacoda [ Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:55 pm ]
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So what happens now? Wait until a mod sees it and decides to delete it? (Sorry, never posted in the Oven Fodder thread before).

Author:  EntilZha [ Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:07 pm ]
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Yes.

Author:  oneyoudontknow [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:02 am ]
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Malacoda wrote:
So what happens now? Wait until a mod sees it and decides to delete it? (Sorry, never posted in the Oven Fodder thread before).
the reviews will not disappear by themselves .. somehow magically. Be patient; at least a bit.

Author:  RottingInHumanity [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:44 am ]
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I'm not entirely comfortable posting this here as I'm still so new to the archives and I've only had one review approved myself, but here is a review that could probably use some work on the formatting:

yomama15422 - "This is the poster child for brutal death metal"
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=108202

I don't think this review would look as bad if the paragraphs were more than two sentences long, and there were not nine of said paragraphs. If I'm out of line here please just delete this post if you wish. Thanks

Author:  KerberosOfHades [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:00 am ]
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RottingInHumanity wrote:
I'm not entirely comfortable posting this here as I'm still so new to the archives and I've only had one review approved myself, but here is a review that could probably use some work on the formatting:

yomama15422 - "This is the poster child for brutal death metal"
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=108202

I don't think this review would look as bad if the paragraphs were more than two sentences long, and there were not nine of said paragraphs. If I'm out of line here please just delete this post if you wish. Thanks


Granted the formatting is irritating and the paragraphs are short but I think the description is adequate and the review as a whole is worth keeping, considering it is the only one for the release in question.

Author:  BloodredChaos [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:54 am ]
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Maybe it's just me, but both of Frenzergy's reviews look like trolling to me, especially after reading his profile.

http://metal-archives.com/userreviews.p ... =Frenzergy

Author:  Malacoda [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:34 am ]
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BloodredChaos wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but both of Frenzergy's reviews look like trolling to me, especially after reading his profile.

http://metal-archives.com/userreviews.p ... =Frenzergy


It looks like he might just be an idiot.

Author:  ~Guest 193166 [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:35 am ]
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This review was accepted before the official release date. Does that mean it can stay? It's the first one submitted.

http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=258632#28094

Author:  Goatfangs [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:35 am ]
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http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=12936

Kinda has a lot of problems such as run on sentences and grammatical errors. Somehow smells like a troll attempt, because of its stereotyping and repetitive drivel about how this album is "monotonous keyboards, monotonous drums and guitars, monotonous atmosphere, monotonous blah blah blah blah" and that it is "long, boring and monotonous" So yeah, we get it, alexlovestheredchord hates funeral doom, except for Disembowelment (who aren't really funeral doom) and apparently loves the Red Chord.

Well obviously alexlovestheredchord has been around for a while and wrote many reviews and likely doesn't give a rats ass about what I think. So this is more of a rant now, anyway...

Why write reviews for something you know you are going to hate or something you do not understand or get? I don't get Voivod. I never got into Voivod. Some songs are good, but am I motivated to write a review about them? No. I would be biased. I did not grow up listening to them.

Would I write a review for a Mortician album if I had just been introduced to their concept? Or would I wait until I acquired a taste for that sort of brutal/grind? Would I write a review for a 12 year old scotch whisky when it was my first time taking a shot of the stuff, or would I wait until I learn how to put a dram on ice and take small sips, let the flavor flow from start to finish?

I know it's not a rule per say that requires one be familiar with the style being played before reviewing an album in that style, but it ought to be. There are literally dozens of reviews of such that plague the Archives for various reasons. This one in particular stands out because it is recent and particularly badly written. In short, yes, to the first-time Skepticism listener who has yet to have their virginity raped by the massive snail-crawl boner of funeral doom, Lead and Aether WOULD indeed sound nothing but "long, monotonous and boring"

Guitar riffs - completely missed. Drum patterns - completely disregarded (they are described as repetitive but I don't recall Skepticism being simplistic in their drumming - slow yes. The whole point of Lead and Aether has been completely skipped over. It's as if someone reviewed a Salvador Dali artwork called "The Enigma of Hitler" (google it), and called it boring and monochromatic (not really) and said that the dripping telephone was lame and the cut-out of hitler's picture was lame and the beans were lame, the umbrella was lame and everything was lame and this someone would therefore have not a fucking clue about Salvador Dali, symbolism of Surrealism, the symbolism Salvador Dali made use of and would end up both insulting the work of genius of Salvador Dali and making himself look like an asshole.

And that is exactly what is going on here with this shit review of Lead and Aether.


alexlovestheredchord wrote:
I have never “understood” funeral doom metal in the slightest, maybe because it’s so boring that my mind can’t process the doldrums. In any context Skepticism is commonly regarded as one of the subgenres forefathers, and in any event they still suck like the lot of underground garbage they spawned. Apart from the blatantly false drivel I’ve heard about this band, every song is exactly the same as the first long, boring, and monotonous. “Lead and aether” as interesting as the title sounds is funeral doom at it’s finest, yet if that’s the case then the genre has little to offer metalheads other then keyboard driven songs.

Maybe I lack an understanding of the subgenre as a whole but these are “epics”, and in the context of the songs the time capacity seems irrelevant. “The Organium” is essentially one long drawn out passage of the vocalist whispering, a repetitive “atmospheric” drum beat and keyboard saturation. It’s not bad for two or so minutes but it’s for six, not to mention “The march and the stream” which is ten minutes of whispering and keyboard “ambiance”. The guitar notes are pretty simple as well effectively just used for atmosphere, which the band did rather well during the last few minutes of “The march and the stream”. Although I don’t believe for one second the formula can work during every song!

I genuinely wish I could at least write something good about the songs, well “Forge” reminded me of a funeral procession for a fallen warrior. Yet it’s hard to maintain a positive hope for an album that sounds the same every song. I tell myself the band doesn’t such as much as the songs let on because, bands like Disembowelment play extraordinary funeral doom while Skepticism just flounder around. I can’t really bring myself to say anything else, by “Edges” I was skipping tracks and just listening to other bands. If you like atmosphere then don’t look to Skepticism, unless you like drawn out passages of keyboard layering.

So here I am on “Aether” laughing at how bad the music is, “Transcendence into the peripheral” this is not and woefully so. I can honestly duplicate this entire shitty album by strumming a guitar, playing basic keys, and just one constant drumbeat throughout the songs. This is one of the worst metal albums I have ever heard, and no amount of pseudo-atmosphere can even give it a remotely positive score. Ignore this “creative” force and listen to Disembowelment for quality funeral doom.

Author:  EntilZha [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:45 am ]
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Why would someone review Dubya's presidency without any understanding of neoconservative politics, and say that he was a shit president? Well, maybe because he was a shit president. Also, the usual: Every review is biased & genius is in the eye of the beholder. If you think Lead and Aether is objectively good from an unbiased standpoint then write a review detailing how and why. Good luck.

Author:  Napero [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:01 pm ]
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I did some impulsive cleaning here. Handled up to this point, in other words.

Author:  Goatfangs [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:28 pm ]
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EntilZha wrote:
Why would someone review Dubya's presidency without any understanding of neoconservative politics, and say that he was a shit president? Well, maybe because he was a shit president. Also, the usual: Every review is biased & genius is in the eye of the beholder. If you think Lead and Aether is objectively good from an unbiased standpoint then write a review detailing how and why. Good luck.


Well, ... yeah. That post was more of a rant than anything since mid-way through writing it at 4:00 AM last night (or this morning, whichever) I realized the review itself isn't written that bad and would likely stay. Also, alexlovestheredchord, if you read that above post don't take it personally, again since it was a rant at 4:00 AM and doesn't mean I hate you (I just disagree with your sentiments on funeral doom, that's all, and we are all entitled to our opinions regardless of what other people think)

Author:  ~Guest 193166 [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:14 pm ]
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http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=122532

The first review on the page (one by StygianSteel) was accepted before the album was every officially released.

Here are the release dates for the album:

August 25th 2006 - Italy and Finland
August 28th 2006 - Worldwide
September 2006 - United States, Canada, and Japan

Author:  BastardHead [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:24 pm ]
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I'd assume that an older one like that is kind of grandfathered in.

Author:  ~Guest 193166 [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:47 pm ]
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What exactly do you mean by that?

Author:  Derigin [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:35 am ]
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The release date wait is a rule that was put into place after that review was submitted; it was grandfathered in.

Author:  Goatfangs [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:43 am ]
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Derigin wrote:
The release date wait is a rule that was put into place after that review was submitted; it was grandfathered in.


Wasn't that rule created soon after the massive barrage of reviews for The Unspoken King by Cryptopsy after it leaked weeks ahead of time?

Author:  BastardHead [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:42 am ]
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Goatfangs wrote:
Derigin wrote:
The release date wait is a rule that was put into place after that review was submitted; it was grandfathered in.


Wasn't that rule created soon after the massive barrage of reviews for The Unspoken King by Cryptopsy after it leaked weeks ahead of time?


Yeah, and the review in question is for Iron Maiden's A Matter of Life and Death, two years before the rule was set. Ex Post Facto.

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