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Author:  Empyreal [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:13 pm ]
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I haven't heard Lulu in years but it certainly never offended me really - always found it intriguing really, if way over-long. I can't get behind people who'd give that a 0% but then praise Megadeth post-Endgame in any way - for me I guess my taste has evolved to appreciate at least the attempts at doing something different, even if it turns out kind of abrasive, over utterly safe bargain bin crap.

It really is The Room of metal and The Room is pretty great in its own insane way - better than, say, your average plastic mass-produced horror or action film if you look at it a certain way.

Author:  Cat III [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:17 pm ]
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Look no further than Satan's Massacre. Everyone owes it to themselves to listen to this demo at least once:


Can't think of any others, but I think "so bad it's good" is the domain of film (and even then I think the description is inaccurate, though that conversation is probably too tangential to get into here).

Am I the only one who didn't like Lou Reed's contribution to Lulu? It's been awhile since I listened to it, but I remember him coming off as goofy in that way artsy fartsy types tend to. Don't think I'd give it a 0, but it would definitely be below 50 and probably south of 30.

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:08 pm ]
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BastardHead wrote:
Metallica probably has plenty of 0% worthy releases if you operate on the autothrall operative of giving zeroes to worthless compilations or whatever (I just choose to ignore those but I support his crusade), but yeah I wouldn't give any of their "main" releases that score. Maybe Lulu, but I've never heard it in full and have no real desire to. I think Death Magnetic is a cynical retread of their old formula but I still think it has a few good songs, and St. Anger is endlessly fascinating in how much of a total trainwreck with basically every single thing being wrong from the biggest band on the planet.


My beef with autothrall on the compilation front is that just about every compilation was worthless to him, there was some unnecessary crap that should be taken to task, but I think his crusade turned into a circular firing squad when it came to Bathory's Jubileum releases. Death Magnetic could have been way better had Lars been completely cut out of the mixing process and the drums not coming out sounding like someone trying to reenact Stomp on a floor made of cardboard. St. Anger's trainwreck nature only really has comedic appeal if you have a full on view of how dysfunctional Metallica was as a band, the album is toilet paper, but the Some Kind Of Monster documentary is the funniest thing since This Is Spinal Tap!

Author:  droneriot [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:12 pm ]
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Fuck the Bathory ones, why were the unreleased tracks of each of them never put on a single compilation? No, Black Mark wants us to buy stuff we already have three times instead of just putting out a compilation of the unreleased tracks off them. Fuck Black Mark and hail autothrall.

Author:  hells_unicorn [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:20 pm ]
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droneriot wrote:
Fuck the Bathory ones, why were the unreleased tracks of each of them never put on a single compilation? No, Black Mark wants us to buy stuff we already have three times instead of just putting out a compilation of the unreleased tracks off them. Fuck Black Mark and hail autothrall.


Don't get me wrong, I would have preferred it if they'd have all been put out in a single compilation, but there is a difference between putting out some best of comp. consisting only of radio hits and only giving us an oddball cover art as a unique feature, and giving us actual unique material mixed in with previously heard stuff. I wouldn't have scored the Jubileum compilations at 100 percent, but they were way better than most best of releases I tend to encounter. I guess it's all academic at this point since I have a premium Spotify account and can just access those compilations any time and skip around, plus I'm not big on copulating with record labels. :-P

Author:  bayern [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:35 pm ]
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Hey Chairs, thumbs up for this adroit, inspired eulogy of the Traveler's latest. I sure share your enthusiasm as I also think they pulled it off this time...

Author:  Zelkiiro [ Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:30 am ]
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Empyreal wrote:
I haven't heard Lulu in years but it certainly never offended me really - always found it intriguing really, if way over-long. I can't get behind people who'd give that a 0% but then praise Megadeth post-Endgame in any way - for me I guess my taste has evolved to appreciate at least the attempts at doing something different, even if it turns out kind of abrasive, over utterly safe bargain bin crap.

I will forever prefer something that is samey but sounds good over something unique that sounds like shit--what's the point of experimentation and creativity if the end result is repulsive on every level? And not even in a good way?

Author:  Empyreal [ Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:14 am ]
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I didn't think Lulu was repulsive or sounded like shit. Was just a weird album to me, was all. And it's just more offensive and terrible to me to be totally safe and redundant more than anything else.

Author:  SweetLeaf95 [ Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:57 am ]
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Twisted_Psychology wrote:
Lulu is The Room of metal. I can’t give it a 0. It is beyond grades.


This is probably the best way of describing that record that I've ever heard.

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:24 pm ]
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Swell Frenzy read, BastardHead...I'd caught celeritously rocking wind of the playful Spanish powerhouse a little while back and was also considering writing them up...but you beat me to it in addition to duly driving the (silver) bullet through the (funny) bone...He!

A lofty 79% it is then! although for the record, I'd level it more around an 88% - even 90% - or so...

Oh, just saw your post, Bayern...thanks for the wanderlusting i.e Traveling shout-out...Yes, a fantastic debut, for sure and a harbinger of (more) great things to come on behalf of the esteemed American/Canadian trad metal "journaliers" (haha!)...

Will duly glean your latest for ADX, as I'm not familiar with that (puke green) release, at all.

p.s. just corrected and properly edited/polished to a tee (pee)/re-published submitted said Traveler write-up...had to get 'er just right now (anything less would not only be uncivilized, but, in my case, uncouth...like you-know-who-in-his-(makeshift)-porno-booth! (pardon the garbling, all this seriously took the [solar] wind[z] outta my flails, er, sails!

Chairs, frères!

p.p.s also dug, like a cracked-out marmot, Raoulduke's for Booze Control (you know, the control placebo in a lab study?)...

Author:  bayern [ Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:35 pm ]
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CHAIRTHROWER wrote:
Will duly glean your latest for ADX, as I'm not familiar with that (puke green) release, at all.



Coincidentally or not, after I posted the ADX review here I had 3-4 users download that same album from me on Soulseek in the next two days...

Author:  Thy Shrine [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:16 am ]
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What is with these stupid reviews that are only written to try to get back at the group that has the opposite opinion of the reviewer? The most recent review for Opeth's My Arms Your Hearse does that really annoying "everyone thinks Opeth is pretentious, but they're really actually good, and don't let the fanbase distract you from the great fucking music on display." Bringing up the fanbase in a review has to be the laziest shit of all time, and people are still gonna do it.

Author:  EzraBlumenfeld [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:22 am ]
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I once asked someone what they thought of Power Trip. They responded, "I hate their fans but otherwise I guess they're pretty good."

Author:  Twisted_Psychology [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:29 pm ]
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I know Power Trip has a lot of fans outside your typical thrash circles due to the Southern Lord connections (Also being an actual good thrash band likely helps) but I've not heard anything about them having a particularly obnoxious fanbase. As guilty as I can still be of lumping bands in with their fanbases (Thanks, Tool), I refuse to let it color my informed opinions concerning a given album. If it's inescapable, I just avoid reviewing it altogether.

Of course, I also hate when reviewers' tones get defensive in general. I appreciate reviewing as part of a greater discussion but aside from maybe a brief disclaimer, it should consist of your opinion and yours alone. I can respect any viewpoint if it's articulated well enough, even if I don't agree with it.

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:23 pm ]
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As you once sagaciously told me, t-psych (ha!), anybody can be entitled to a/their wrong opinion (as it's all in the [electric] eye of the beholder).

Author:  Red_Death [ Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:11 am ]
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Many thanks to caspian for the 14 Sacred Words reviews; now my curiosity won't get the better of me, and I had a hearty chuckle because of the last paragraph :lol: :-D

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:58 pm ]
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Nice Sacred Monster review by sweetleaf95...a little screechy (having sampled High Confessor on zootube) but brute-fully stout stuff, like E.Wiz but with a even more sordid, disquieting twist!

And this closing line here by Bayern on his The Unholy write-up has me smirking in/with delight!:

Still, it remains to be seen whether the mentioned three musketeers of US doom [i.e. Pentagram, St. Vitus, The Obsessed] would be willing to accept this reckless, not very reliant d’Artagnan as the missing fourth "pugilist"…

Author:  bayern [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:52 am ]
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CHAIRTHROWER wrote:
And this closing line here by Bayern on his The Unholy write-up has me smirking in/with delight!:

Still, it remains to be seen whether the mentioned three musketeers of US doom [i.e. Pentagram, St. Vitus, The Obsessed] would be willing to accept this reckless, not very reliant d’Artagnan as the missing fourth "pugilist"…


Well, Chairs... you hadn't slept through the French Literature classes back in high school.. Cheers! To Dumas!

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:32 pm ]
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Ah, you know me, I just can't get enough of Honore DeBalzac, that ole king of Ancient Ribaldry and other floppy, goose-girl chasing shenanigans!

Author:  Twisted_Psychology [ Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:22 pm ]
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Ancient_Mariner's Kings of Metal is a pretty stunning display of Poe's Law. Silly and over the top as the material yet ultimately well written.

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:57 pm ]
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What, pray-tell, is Poe's Law, good sire?

(Swell Brujas Muertas review, btw!)

Author:  Napalm_Satan [ Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:22 pm ]
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Without a statement of intent from an author, it is not possible to distinguish sincere absurdity from a parody of it.

Author:  SweetLeaf95 [ Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:22 pm ]
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CHAIRTHROWER wrote:
Nice Sacred Monster review by sweetleaf95


Thank you kindly!

Author:  SweetLeaf95 [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:37 pm ]
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So... that Megadeth review. I instinctively seeked out his other reviews, and I'm having a tough time pinning down their taste.

Author:  ObservationSlave [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:39 pm ]
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Not to be the grammar (spelling) police, but did anyone even read the recent review submitted for Rotting Christ's The Heretics? 3 typos in the first 2 paragraphs and that's not including the repeated reference to "riffs" as "rifts." Other than that I actually think the writer brings up some solid points, just not sure how a review with so many typos snuck through.

Author:  Twisted_Psychology [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:18 pm ]
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SweetLeaf95 wrote:
So... that Megadeth review. I instinctively seeked out his other reviews, and I'm having a tough time pinning down their taste.


I stopped about halfway. Now that is what I'm talking about when I complain about defensive reviewers. I enjoy Countdown to Extinction a lot too but let it be good on its own merits for Christ's sake...

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:13 pm ]
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Nice to see Tanuki winding up, and down, his comprehensively jocose/sagacious saga of Riot reviews...Never even knew about the last one there, Storm something, but at least now I know to abscond should our paths intersect...

Googawing the Poe effect as we speak...oh, neat, check this out:

https://prezi.com/nxlyu5ius1o6/poes-unity-of-effect/

Suffice to say, I'm stuck in a Poe effect loop!

Also, I started reading 5Nails' corpsef*cker write-up - tres "drole", btw - but got funny looks here at the B.C. employment office. (Raincheck please...)

Author:  SweetLeaf95 [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:56 pm ]
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Twisted_Psychology wrote:
I stopped about halfway. Now that is what I'm talking about when I complain about defensive reviewers. I enjoy Countdown to Extinction a lot too but let it be good on its own merits for Christ's sake...


Yeah they definitely laid that on way too heavy. I'm guilty of being defensive and I do agree with his main points but it got WAY out of focus.

Also that Kill 'Em All review....

Author:  BastardHead [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:38 pm ]
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Oddly enough, that Countdown to Extinction review made me realize that apparently I never actually moved my own review for that album over to MA, which is weird because I'm sure I wrote it like six years ago. Weird, I'll have to fix that later.

But yeah that's an example of a review that gets way too defensive and won't just make it's point and move on. The part that bugs me I think is his insistence that it's not Megadeth's attempt at a Black Album even though it kind of really clearly is. Hell CTE is the moment where the two bands' careers converged the most obviously I'd say. The only real difference is that Megadeth was more prolific so they generally had two albums for every one Metallica album with the only real outlier being Super Collider attempting a 90s throwback before Metallica gave them direction with Hardwired (which told Dave that was he was supposed to do was recreate the classic years again, which he responded to with Dystopia). There are almost no two bands in all of metal whose careers follow each other so closely. It's fine to prefer the Megadeth version (I do myself) but don't kid yourself.

And then for all of his bellyaching he declares the best song to be the one that sounds like it could've been on Rust in Peace anyway, go figure.

Author:  droneriot [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:48 am ]
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SweetLeaf95 wrote:
Also that Kill 'Em All review....

What about it? The point where he refers to a superior live version of "Seek and Destroy" definitely drove home what he was trying to say the entire review but strangely only did once: All those things are far better live than on the album which probably had to do with their lack of studio experience at the time. Good songs, all of them, but a lot more tame than they could have been compared to how they're played on stage.

Author:  Azmodes [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:50 am ]
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ObservationSlave wrote:
Not to be the grammar (spelling) police, but did anyone even read the recent review submitted for Rotting Christ's The Heretics? 3 typos in the first 2 paragraphs and that's not including the repeated reference to "riffs" as "rifts." Other than that I actually think the writer brings up some solid points, just not sure how a review with so many typos snuck through.

I've sent the review back to the author, asking that they give it another proofread.

Author:  SweetLeaf95 [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:23 am ]
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BastardHead wrote:
The part that bugs me I think is his insistence that it's not Megadeth's attempt at a Black Album even though it kind of really clearly is.


Eh, I guess you're kinda right but I always thought that CTE was more of a thrash record than the black album ever was. There are definitely some more accessible songs but it' sorta half and half for me.

Author:  Twisted_Psychology [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:39 am ]
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If anything, Megadeth's commercial era was creatively smoother because they released so much. When a band releases something every couple years, you can absorb a given album's specific style while also seeing where it fits in the grand scheme of their discography. Even Risk's whiplash isn't that drastic when you consider the already lighter approach of Cryptic Writings. In contrast, Metallica just throws you into a random style without proper context every five-seven years. Every post-Black Album release could've easily had another release bridging the stylistic gaps. I guess neither approach is wrong since both bands make a lot of money but I can tell you which one I listen to more.

Author:  BastardHead [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:34 am ]
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SweetLeaf95 wrote:
BastardHead wrote:
The part that bugs me I think is his insistence that it's not Megadeth's attempt at a Black Album even though it kind of really clearly is.


Eh, I guess you're kinda right but I always thought that CTE was more of a thrash record than the black album ever was. There are definitely some more accessible songs but it' sorta half and half for me.


I wouldn't say so. It's been years since I've given it a full listen but apart from the first and last tracks, how many of them were really thrashy at all? Maybe Psychotron iirc? It's a really hard shift into commercially viable heavy metal, especially after how high octane and wild Rust in Peace was. You'll never convince me that Sweating Bullets wasn't an attempt to do what Sad But True did, or Foreclosure of a Dream wasn't The Unforgiven but with the quiet and heavy parts switched, etc. There's nothing wrong with any of that, I prefer CTE to TBA myself and think it only has two or three real duds, but if that's thrash then Nirvana was grind.

Overall I think Toilet_Paper is right in that Megadeth's superiority to Metallica from the 90s and onwards probably has a lot to do with them maintaining a real release pace and making their transitions sound a lot smoother, though I will also maintain to the death that they were always trying to beat their big brother at their own game.

Fitting your 666th post would be you defending Megadeth though :p

Author:  SweetLeaf95 [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:30 pm ]
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BastardHead wrote:
Fitting your 666th post would be you defending Megadeth though :p


Ah shit! Didn't even notice that! I guess I'll word it this way, a lot of the songs still have thrashier moments. Countdown is actually my favorite one behind Rust and So Far. If you haven't read it already, I did a Rank And File on them.

BastardHead wrote:
Toilet_Paper


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  Twisted_Psychology [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:36 pm ]
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Love you, HeadBastard

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:46 pm ]
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Just read Bayern's ADX review for Terreurs et Executions and I must say, I enjoyed it immensely.

I dig the way he said the band earned its right to spoil themselves just this once, and this particular ditty, which, if that's alright and all, I can glean and re-appropriate if ever the need arises:

"The final result is clearly a mish-mash, but one that would keep the listener hooked as the various nuances take turns on a nearly track-by-track basis with pleasant surprises frequently popping out, those easily preventing the album from slipping into banal emulative numetal mediocrity. Phil Grelaud’s emotional high-strung vocals alone should suffice to keep the old fanbase hooked, with the 90’s generation kept intrigued for most of the time, also trying to decide whether the exposure to a few more vigorous riffs from the past would prove too detrimental to their groovy psyche…"

Watch out for that scurvy BENM... (touche!)

Author:  Tanuki [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:13 pm ]
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CHAIRTHROWER wrote:
Nice to see Tanuki winding up, and down, his comprehensively jocose/sagacious saga of Riot reviews...Never even knew about the last one there, Storm something, but at least now I know to abscond should our paths intersect...

Thanks indeed! I'm getting there, slowly but surely. These last few are gonna be really tough to talk about, and I'm not gonna lie; I didn't think this far ahead.

I'm with Sweetleaf on that Kill 'Em All review being worthy of only an ellipses. Homie calls the album boring and over-long, then praises 'The Four Horsemen'; the longest, most indulgent song of the entire album with its 'Sweet Home Alabama'-ass bridge that lasts 7 hundred years. And on what mountains of madness could Phantom Lord ever be considered "bland"?

Author:  BastardHead [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:29 pm ]
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I swear to god if Chair says "sagacious" one more time I'm going to walk to Canada and fart in his mouth.

Author:  CHAIRTHROWER [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:39 pm ]
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I'll spare you the insane walk (and endless mounds of substaining/fueling beans) by sapiently employing synonyms!

As a farting shot,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane

(Can you tell I'm worked up into a "frenzy"?...)

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