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EzraBlumenfeld
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:56 pm 
 

SweetLeaf95 wrote:
So I just read that brotherhood review, and I don't even know how that got accepted. T_S isn't even exaggerating, like 1.5 out of 7 paragraphs focuses on that album and even then hardly says much. Also, why the hell do they say in the first paragraph that "Testament has considerably less respect" and "haven't contributed much to the genres development?" Neither of those are true statements at all.

AND they contradict themselves because shortly later they capitalize on how Testament had their own brand of power/thrash, incorporating more melodies. But I thought they didn't contribute much? That review is hot trash. I'd have have posted this in the Oven Fodder channel if it wasn't in response to another comment here.


If you head on over to the author's profile, you'll notice he mentions he's only been a metalhead for a year. Perhaps he has not yet grasped the depth of certain subgenres or the influence of certain bands yet; but if that's the case, then he certainly is not qualified to be writing reviews.

EDIT: Also take a look at his one other review, which is for the Black Album. He tries again to draw parallels with Metallica's previous releases, and for some reason says that Justice doesn't really have any prog elements other than having longer song lengths. Not a writer who I think should be taken too seriously yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:19 pm 
 

Very fair points. In that case, I guess you have to start somewhere. I certainly wan't any better upon starting out.

Also, Bastardhead, if you try and tell me that you didn't write the second paragraph of that Idle Hands review with me in mind, I'm calling you a liar. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:58 pm 
 

I enjoyed that review, BastardHead. I don't like goth rock so I don't get anything out of Idle Hands, but I'm still bewildered as to how they became such an overnight sensation. Are there just no good goth bands right now so that a lame ironic one with a terrible singer was able to blow up with their debut? I don't know, but I do know that I'll be showing up late to the King Diamond concert I'm going to in two weeks.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:22 pm 
 

Man I sort of like that album (it's a 6/10 for me?) but the hype is astounding. Just one of those things I won't get, really.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:38 pm 
 

All fair points. I love it, and they were great live. The reason they became such an overnight sensation is because of all the things we mention, I just happen to like them while BH (and others) dislike them. Regardless of opinion, they invoke conversation.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 am 
 

As usual the songs BH likes are the ones I think are weak... not in love with the album myself but I enjoy it enough. But "Blade and the Will" is easily my least favorite one.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:53 am 
 

No surprise Emp doesn't like the ones that are actually exciting and have some god damned life in them :p

Thanks guys. I didn't touch on it in the review because it felt too unsubstantiated and believe it or not I don't actually like getting dogpiled, but my theory is that this became a smash hit in part because goth rock is a metal-approved non-metal genre, so any formerly metal band exploring that territory is going to be good by default for some reason. Also it probably sounds wildly inventive to somebody who only listens to metal and has never heard it before. I'm not a big goth rock fan myself so I'm not gonna get all high and mighty about it and I understand it's pure speculation, but the actual goth classics like Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and Bauhaus just sound a million times more inspired than Idle Hands to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:01 am 
 

Cool that your review went up today, because I was just listening to it and deciding I really liked it, after being on the fence for a long time. I do agree that the actual riffage is very simple, too simple to be left unaddressed on future releases. But on this one album, they really nailed the hooks and truly wrote full-fleshed, catchy SONGS that all have something to offer and remember. Funny how one person’s “the emperor has no clothes” is another’s “more than the sun of its parts”.

But Mana is definitely not perfect, and their future albums won’t be until each song is as good as “By Way of Kingdom”. That track is just too fucking good. Pretty interested to see how they perform live next weekend.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:29 am 
 

I feel somewhat targeted too when it comes to BHs Idle Hands review, hehe.

At least you took the effort to explain why you dislike it as much as you do, even though I can't agree with a single point you are making there ^^ plenty o' nice riffs, beautiful lead guitars, perfectly suitable production for the style...and most of the time, Franco's vocals are spot on (apparently he's struggling a lot live) and fit/enhance the mood just fine. I even like many of the lyrical passages, though I have to admit that they tend to drift into the corny zone once in a while.

I have a soft spot for 80s goth and never before has a band came so close to merging it with the metal so well. In Solitude - passable, Tribulation? Meh.

A few additional points of my 95% review were definitely added because of said soft spot + due to them trying to achieve the same musical goals that I'm shooting for.

So, Mana is still my album of the year and I don't think that will change in the last 6 weeks of this year. Haha.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:24 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
No surprise Emp doesn't like the ones that are actually exciting and have some god damned life in them :p

Thanks guys. I didn't touch on it in the review because it felt too unsubstantiated and believe it or not I don't actually like getting dogpiled, but my theory is that this became a smash hit in part because goth rock is a metal-approved non-metal genre, so any formerly metal band exploring that territory is going to be good by default for some reason. Also it probably sounds wildly inventive to somebody who only listens to metal and has never heard it before. I'm not a big goth rock fan myself so I'm not gonna get all high and mighty about it and I understand it's pure speculation, but the actual goth classics like Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and Bauhaus just sound a million times more inspired than Idle Hands to me.


The ones that have life are ones like "Nightfall" or "Double Negative" to me. "Blade..." is energetic but the vocal lines make it feel very flat to me.

I agree that it's pretty gimmicky and appeals to metal fans in that very flashy surface-level manner - to me it sounds like Joy Division with some 80s metal riffs mixed in. But I think they're good and they'll probably get better as they go on. Either that or they'll turn into a Sabaton-esque parody and quit writing riffs, I dunno.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Either that or they'll turn into a Sabaton-esque parody and quit writing riffs, I dunno.


Oh man, I reeeeaally hope that doesn't happen....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:15 am 
 

I'm still on the Idle Hands hype train but that review is well-written as always and the points made are understandable. The style blend is the sort that I've wanted to do myself for years and I'm a sucker for some good singalongs. I'm just bracing myself for when they cross over into the mainstream Ghost-style and everybody who loves this album suddenly turns on them.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:56 am 
 

Big facts....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:57 am 
 

I'd love to see them go harder and get heavier while retaining the smooth goth-like sound, or do even more polished stuff - I feel like they could potentially evolve into something quite great if they don't become the kind of Sabaton/Ghost sort of thing... right now, after hearing the album and seeing them live, I think they're still a very new band and have a lot of room to evolve and grow.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:28 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
...but my theory is that this became a smash hit in part because goth rock is a metal-approved non-metal genre, so any formerly metal band exploring that territory is going to be good by default for some reason. Also it probably sounds wildly inventive to somebody who only listens to metal and has never heard it before. I'm not a big goth rock fan myself so I'm not gonna get all high and mighty about it and I understand it's pure speculation, but the actual goth classics like Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and Bauhaus just sound a million times more inspired than Idle Hands to me.
I like Mana very much (not a masterpiece for me though), and I can confirm this is pretty accurate as far as I'm concerned. But it's not that the album sounds so inventive, just that the I really dig the moody goth atmosphere (and I have very limited listening experience with goth rock).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:36 pm 
 

The rating in the latest Infant Annihilator review: 63.
The title of the latest Infant Annihilator review: “Their Worst Album.”

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:37 pm 
 

Lol, guess that person really likes everything else
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:06 pm 
 

Razakel wrote:
I'm still bewildered as to how they became such an overnight sensation. Are there just no good goth bands right now so that a lame ironic one with a terrible singer was able to blow up with their debut?

Their singer Gabriel has a keen sense of hustle and a good amount of experience and a lot of contacts. He's been doing bands for 10 years now (Spellcaster started in 2009) and he was always their business/booking guy. It seems like he's invested a lot of experience and money into Idle Hands. They're really going for it on every possible level--everything they do has a professional stamp on it. The amount of PR they have does NOT come cheap, their music and videos are very well-produced and it's very typical for the opening bands of these bigger tours to pay for their spot on the lineup. It's a mixture of savvy marketing placement, $$$ investment and all the musical elements already discussed. They're hardly the first band to operate this way.

btw I also enjoyed the recent review. I'm lukewarm on the album on a musical level but it's got a few strengths and I have a lot of respect for them trying to really make a run for it instead of retreading the same path that most new bands take.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:37 pm 
 

Does Grumpy Cat know that "Hell Awaits" also has a B side? I am biased, of course, but this somehow fragmented review does not do the album justice. And I don't mean the rating, but text itself.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:46 am 
 

Superchard forgot to finish the first sentence in that contrarian Deep Purple review of his.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:00 am 
 

Man, that In Rock review is absolute dog shit and I don't think this guy knows anything about music. "Child in Time" being remembered shows the "hive mind" of rock music, well yeah, that's how any song being a classic works. Spending three paragraphs repeating yourself about how the song and album are phoned in isn't gonna change that.
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I get the idea of not being huge on jammy style, expansive 70's music (I completely disagree of course, but that stuff's not for everyone), but holy shit I hated reading that.

Then again, it kinda ticks all the boxes for shitty, condescending, grandstanding reviews of classic albums, so why even bother? Nothing we've never seen before.

EDIT: Checking out this dude's other reviews and, like, most of them are for classic bands and albums. Damn man, pick something that's not fucking obvious for once, will ya?
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Xlxlx wrote:
I get the idea of not being huge on jammy style, expansive 70's music (I completely disagree of course, but that stuff's not for everyone), but holy shit I hated reading that.

Then again, it kinda ticks all the boxes for shitty, condescending, grandstanding reviews of classic albums, so why even bother? Nothing we've never seen before.

EDIT: Checking out this dude's other reviews and, like, most of them are for classic bands and albums. Damn man, pick something that's not fucking obvious for once, will ya?


You can not like the album all you want, but he just did such a bad job of articulating why he didn't like it. "Other people think this is a classic" isn't a good foundation for a negative review.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:33 am 
 

No, yeah man, that's what I meant by ticking boxes and the like. The entire premise of the review is flawed, in the sense that it seems to care more about sticking it to those pesky old school fans rather than actually engage with the album and point out what might not work about it.

Hell, despite liking In Rock (and agreeing with its status as a classic), I don't think he's entirely wrong in pointing out that it's a pretty bloated album and kind of a shaky first step for Mark II Purple, despite the genuinely great material on display. He could've raised some seriously good points but threw them out the window in favour of "hurr durr album stupid fans stupid overrated hurrdy durrdy".
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:36 am 
 

I'd probably give it around 85-88 or so - it's a raw, wild album by a band that was trying out a lot of experiments. They got more polished very quickly after it but there's an appeal to the experimental kind of heaviness it has, with them just going nuts. It's just not fully polished as a sound yet, I think.
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For me it's more in the low-middle 70% range, but I wouldn't blame someone for scoring it lower. I completely agree with the wild, experimental nature of the album, but it's got a not insignificant handful of moments where I can't help thinking that it lacks focus, to its detriment. The good stuff in it is fucking great though.
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Xlxlx wrote:
Checking out [Superchard’s] other reviews and, like, most of them are for classic bands and albums. Damn man, pick something that's not fucking obvious for once, will ya?

Yeah, he picks a lot of popular albums, though my beef is a bit like Empy’s. He really fails to contextualize those classic albums and judges them absolutely by his own modern expectations, which does expose some weaknesses, yet ignores the whole point of critiquing them. If he was finding more flaws about those albums in their own context, I think his reviews would be more valuable.

Petrus, I just read your October Rust review and I’ve got to say that your description of songs is coming along well. You’re getting to the heart of most of those songs and I can really imagine what they sound like. However, I feel like those Type O reviews have been too long and too specific: you could try to do a general description of the styles with a few examples, instead of repeating stuff about chorus pedals and layered keyboards when describing most of the songs. In addition, it’s a little weird to see you referring to the bandmembers by their first names so often. I know you are very familiar with Type O, but I’d like to read “The keyboards do this”, not “Josh does this” once in a while.

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gasmask_colostomy wrote:
Xlxlx wrote:
Petrus, I just read your October Rust review and I’ve got to say that your description of songs is coming along well. You’re getting to the heart of most of those songs and I can really imagine what they sound like. However, I feel like those Type O reviews have been too long and too specific: you could try to do a general description of the styles with a few examples, instead of repeating stuff about chorus pedals and layered keyboards when describing most of the songs. In addition, it’s a little weird to see you referring to the bandmembers by their first names so often. I know you are very familiar with Type O, but I’d like to read “The keyboards do this”, not “Josh does this” once in a while.


Thanks for looking up my review!

Sometimes I can't help but write long reviews (which is funny because I think October Rust, in this case, will be my shortest Type O Negative review). When it comes to them being too long or too specific, I honestly don't know what that really means. Sure, I might've written unnecessary or pointless information and made my reviews look long when I can make them look short enough and better, I think as long as I'm being specific about the music, as well as the relevance to it and not writing about stuff the readers don't really care about, then it should suffice. I do agree that I've repeated some of these statements, and I guess I could talk more about the instruments and not what he or she does or their names. Knowing that I like to write for bands in chronological order, mentioning the musicians' names once is enough.

But like I've said a couple of times on this thread, I want - and will read all of my reviews again so that I'll edit and fix accurate rating, description, grammar, syntax, try to broaden my vocabulary and remove information which might be truly pointless.

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Petrus_Steele wrote:
Sometimes I can't help but write long reviews (which is funny because I think October Rust, in this case, will be my shortest Type O Negative review). When it comes to them being too long or too specific, I honestly don't know what that really means. Sure, I might've written unnecessary or pointless information and made my reviews look long when I can make them look short enough and better, I think as long as I'm being specific about the music, as well as the relevance to it and not writing about stuff the readers don't really care about, then it should suffice.

Well, of course “too long” is my own take on it, though why would a reader go for an option with 1,500 words and some repetition or things they don’t care about compared to a 700 word review that makes a similar point? Probably for that review, you could expand it into connected topics (since you seem to know a lot about Type O) rather than choosing - from my perspective - too many examples. Good writing tends to be concise. On the other hand, I’ve read a few of your reviews for the band and I think that was the best so far. You’re definitely improving.

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Razakel wrote:
I enjoyed that review, BastardHead. I don't like goth rock so I don't get anything out of Idle Hands, but I'm still bewildered as to how they became such an overnight sensation. Are there just no good goth bands right now so that a lame ironic one with a terrible singer was able to blow up with their debut? I don't know, but I do know that I'll be showing up late to the King Diamond concert I'm going to in two weeks.


Just to get my two cents in on the Idle Hands hype, I also suspect that there's just a dearth of bands in that style. In Solitude dropped a masterpiece in Sister and promptly quit, Beastmilk died and resurrected with cognitive impairments, and the only good, active band I can think of is Kontinuum. Check out their album Kyrr - it's not really metal like Idle Hands, but it's a million times better, and it's fucking brilliant.
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(One of) the weird thing(s) about superchard's In Rock review is that he says he initially loved Child In Time and only came to "realize" it's dumbed down. I think in his heart he knew why it was so good, but in his mind he couldn't put his finger on why, and so in his best metalhead / music elitist mindset thought, "Simple melody means bad music." He apparently doesn't realize what makes that song such a classic to so many people is that it just builds, and builds, and builds.... and to the climax, then the release.... I could see his argument that it's overlong, as ending at the end of the soloing would've been a great place for the song to end and it was probably unnecessary to play the whole pre-solo parts of the song again, but it doesn't make it less enjoyable to me. Then with his "simple melody means bad music" mindset he somehow attributes bad qualities to it that it doesn't even have. An obnoxious unfocused solo? It's one of my all time favorite solos. Is he saying it's unfocused because it starts out slow, then speeds up? I don't know what the hell else he'd mean by unfocused. And I thought he didn't like simple to the point stuff judging by his hatred of the keyboard melody. And the comment that it's the kind of classic rock bullshit that's parodied endlessly? To me that's like that Keep Your Hands to Yourself or whatever song by The Georgia Satellites, Bad to the Bone by George Thorogood, Sweet Home Alabama and Give Me Three Steps by Lynyrd Skynyrd, Cat Scratch Fever by Ted Nugent, etc. Child In Time is so completely far removed from that kind of song.

EDIT: Probably the most valid criticism that can be levied at Child In Time, he didn't even bring up: That "dumb downed" keyboard melody was borrowed from the 60s San Francisco band It's a Beautiful Day song's Bombay Calling (I read somewhere that it literally wasn't stolen, that the two bands mutually agreed to exchange Bombay Calling and Deep Purple MKI's Wring That Neck. I have no idea of the accuracy of this claim). And allegedly It's a Beautiful Day themselves stole that Bombay Calling / Child In Time melody from a jazz saxophonist one of the members knew.

As for the album as a whole, it's funny he criticized it for sounding so generically 70s, considering it came out in May 1970. If it all sounds like well tread ground from that decade that's not their fault, that's other people copying them. I don't know what 70s bands / songs borrowed from it, but I can count two riffs on the album Mercyful Fate borrowed for their 80s classics: The Hard Lovin' Man riff was used for Black Funeral, and the Flight of the Rat riff was used for one of the songs on Don't Break the Oath, I don't remember which one. It wouldn't surprise me if a whole host of other bands borrowed a whole host of riffs from this album, but an album released in the first half of the year 1970 sounding so similar to the decade that would follow is hardly that band's / album's fault. That's like criticizing Black Sabbath for sounding too much like Pentagram, Witchfinder General, and Pagan Altar.

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"Simple melody means bad music" is a metalhead mindset? That's odd considering almost all the classics are very simple songs, metalhead mindset must be very rare among metalheads.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:16 am 
 

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I enjoyed that review, BastardHead. I don't like goth rock so I don't get anything out of Idle Hands, but I'm still bewildered as to how they became such an overnight sensation. Are there just no good goth bands right now so that a lame ironic one with a terrible singer was able to blow up with their debut? I don't know, but I do know that I'll be showing up late to the King Diamond concert I'm going to in two weeks.


Just to get my two cents in on the Idle Hands hype, I also suspect that there's just a dearth of bands in that style. In Solitude dropped a masterpiece in Sister and promptly quit, Beastmilk died and resurrected with cognitive impairments, and the only good, active band I can think of is Kontinuum. Check out their album Kyrr - it's not really metal like Idle Hands, but it's a million times better, and it's fucking brilliant.


None of the "heavy metal meets goth" bands are much good. Even the ones I've heard from the 80s weren't up to much (remember Coven's Worship New Gods? No? Me neither). In Solitude never made anything approaching a masterpiece and their only good record is the debut. Sister is quite bad, really.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:04 am 
 

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"Simple melody means bad music" is a metalhead mindset? That's odd considering almost all the classics are very simple songs, metalhead mindset must be very rare among metalheads.


Not necessarily simple within the metal realm, but popular music as a whole. You know those metalheads who loudly proclaim metal is a superior music genre because it is more technically complex than other popular genres like pop, rock, rap, country, etc.? And they don't even frame it like it's their personal opinion but objective fact? I used to run into this a lot in my early days of discussing metal and other music on the Internet, I don't see it too much on this forum, but maybe it still goes on on other forums. I don't know.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:21 am 
 

Maybe it's what people proclaim, but then you catch them headbanging to "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "For Whom the Bell Tolls"... ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:07 am 
 

DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
Then with his "simple melody means bad music" mindset he somehow attributes bad qualities to it that it doesn't even have. An obnoxious unfocused solo? It's one of my all time favorite solos. Is he saying it's unfocused because it starts out slow, then speeds up? I don't know what the hell else he'd mean by unfocused.


This is a very common thing that bad negative reviews do; it's like grasping for straws. What does 'unfocused' mean in this specific case? What does 'phoned in' mean for him? You can use these terms if you can back them up. But a poor reviewer often doesn't and just throws those terms in like loose buzz words to be edgy. It's vague as fuck.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:48 am 
 

gasmask_colostomy wrote:
Petrus_Steele wrote:
Sometimes I can't help but write long reviews (which is funny because I think October Rust, in this case, will be my shortest Type O Negative review). When it comes to them being too long or too specific, I honestly don't know what that really means. Sure, I might've written unnecessary or pointless information and made my reviews look long when I can make them look short enough and better, I think as long as I'm being specific about the music, as well as the relevance to it and not writing about stuff the readers don't really care about, then it should suffice.

Well, of course “too long” is my own take on it, though why would a reader go for an option with 1,500 words and some repetition or things they don’t care about compared to a 700 word review that makes a similar point? Probably for that review, you could expand it into connected topics (since you seem to know a lot about Type O) rather than choosing - from my perspective - too many examples. Good writing tends to be concise. On the other hand, I’ve read a few of your reviews for the band and I think that was the best so far. You’re definitely improving.


Yeah, I think because it's a perfect album for me, there wasn't that much to dissect compared to albums that had to be dissected for the things I didn't like. So I will try to focus on that prime example for concise reviews.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:10 pm 
 

Acrobat wrote:
None of the "heavy metal meets goth" bands are much good. Even the ones I've heard from the 80s weren't up to much (remember Coven's Worship New Gods? No? Me neither). In Solitude never made anything approaching a masterpiece and their only good record is the debut. Sister is quite bad, really.

Nah, I beg to differ. I don't much care nowadays for the first two In Solitude records, but Sister I still return to once in a while. He Comes, the titletrack, and especially A Buried Sun... all brilliant stuff, with an alluring atmosphere and great, driving galloping guitars.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:10 pm 
 

It's them trying to sound like Queens of the Stone Age, it's fucking awful. Their first album is really good, but that last one is basically an edgy record for Foo Fighters fans.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:12 pm 
 

I always found that band overrated... the first one was fun and the second had some good moments, but yeah I never cared much for the last one. Idle Hands does that stuff better for my tastes.
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