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Bash
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:24 pm 
 

World Coming Down is the only TON album I enjoy.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:31 pm 
 

Bash wrote:
World Coming Down is the only TON album I enjoy.

if you delete all these crappy interludes, then the album is not bad.
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Noktorn
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:37 pm 
 

Sean16 wrote:
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'World Coming Down' was the only Type O Negative album devoid of any jokes,



Hum... Skip It is an obvious joke.


Jokes are funny, and it's not intended to be.
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Sean16
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:36 pm 
 

Noktorn wrote:
Sean16 wrote:
Noktorn wrote:
'World Coming Down' was the only Type O Negative album devoid of any jokes,



Hum... Skip It is an obvious joke.


Jokes are funny, and it's not intended to be.


I don't see how you can be so categoric. Seriously, how many of Pete's jokes are really "funny"? You certainly wouldn't say, for instance, the several tracks of silence recorded through the band's career are to be taken seriously, however those never made me laugh a single bit. For me, those are "jokes" because Pete is obviously making fun of the listener - by making him think his CD player is damaged, etc.

If by "jokes" you meant humorous lyrics, well, OK, I agree there are none on World Coming Down. But for me it's a different matter.
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Noktorn
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:19 pm 
 

I mean any sort of real lightheartedness, which I don't think 'Skip It' embodies, and neither does 'World Coming Down'.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:50 pm 
 

Peter's asshole on the front cover of "The Origin Of Feces" was supposed to be funny, and it definently didn't succeed in the attempt.
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Noktorn
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:55 pm 
 

Blarglepop's review of Blood Tsunami's 'Thrash Metal' is effectively perfect.
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GuntherTheUndying
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:09 pm 
 

Noktorn wrote:
Blarglepop's review of Blood Tsunami's 'Thrash Metal' is effectively perfect.

Are you kidding? It sucked total ass.
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zeingard
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:32 pm 
 

GuntherTheUndying wrote:
Noktorn wrote:
Blarglepop's review of Blood Tsunami's 'Thrash Metal' is effectively perfect.

Are you kidding? It sucked total ass.


I have to agree with Noktorn, it's a great review. I especially like the fact he highlights the rather dull-witted and violence obsessed lyrics between every couple of paragraphs

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Peregrin
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:02 am 
 

Noktorn wrote:
[Perhaps; I'm not very well acquainted at all with Slough Feg's work, though I like what I've heard. I'll have to look into it further.


They're rarely as direct as Type O Negative (that sole occasion being Life in the Dark Age), but they frequently subtly mock or criticize some of the more idiosynchratic attitudes common among metalheads in their lyrics while at the same time celebrating everything that made the genre worth listening to in the first place.

For example, take their Traveller album: Under the Island of Dr. Moreau-meets-The Shadow over Innsmouth-by-way-of-The Stars, My Destination storyline's surface, it's actually an indictment of how most metalheads' grasp of philosophy begins and starts with Friedrich Nietzsche. Lots of songs on the next album, Atavism, seem to discuss the somewhat naïve and wide-eyed traditionalism common in metal.

As for the Blood Tsunami review, I like it even with the caveat that Blarglepop seems to be a "contrarian by principle" (read: troll) but then again I always find negative reviews more entertaining than the positive ones. Then again, I wouldn't expect too much of a band with such a retarded name as "Blood Tsunami".
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Muloc7253
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:08 am 
 

I like Noktorn's Phallic Decapitant review a lot.
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Mungo
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:23 am 
 

The new review for Nuclear Blast's Allstars was a great read, and I found myself agreeing with the reviewer.

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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:00 pm 
 

Droneriot's review of Pro-Pain's "The Truth Hurts" is priceless and certainly much funnier than the album in question. I think I laughed the hardest when he attempted to describe the "Good, Bad and the Ugly" music through typing, but there are a lot of ace remarks throughout. When drone trashes something he takes a lot of time and effort to make it look like absolute shit.

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Noktorn
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:29 pm 
 

Muloc7253 wrote:
I like Noktorn's Phallic Decapitant review a lot.


I am wearing one of their shirts as I type this. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:31 pm 
 

I really like that 0% review for the second album of Nuclear Blast sucking its own cock. It was quite funny, and I could agree with it all the way through.
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Gutterscream
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:11 pm 
 

Mungo wrote:
The new review for Nuclear Blast's Allstars was a great read, and I found myself agreeing with the reviewer.


droneriot wrote:
I really like that 0% review for the second album of Nuclear Blast sucking its own cock. It was quite funny, and I could agree with it all the way through.


Someone over in the Oven Fodder thread seems to disagree by saying...

estaticfear wrote:
Simply saying that the songs are "modern fecescore", have certain kinds of riffs and feature blastbeats doesn't seem like enough description for a 0% review. Cutting out all the "fuck this shit" and "oh look at this commercial pop wankery" - and leaving the parts which describe the music
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:07 pm 
 

Hmm, I just stumbled upon them ... maybe I won't waste my time looking around for one of those tributes.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:21 am 
 

saintinhell's new Black Sabbath reviews was liked by Napero. Especially the first two paragraphs, he reminds us of things that are too often forgotten.

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=501#84278
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saintinhell
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:05 am 
 

thks a lot..looks like i am getting noticed, will go against the grain more often then, lol :D..no actually hrd the album recently very casually and it turned out good, so couldnt figure out all the criticism surrounding it....and hrd the album again today and thatz it, had to pen it down.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:44 am 
 

Yes, I just went through a bunch of his your reviews and you have a way...a relaxed, yet confident tone like you're not looking to prove a point, but just relay your own. Good job.
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saintinhell
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:35 am 
 

thks again, seems to be my day, will gladly lap it up. :D

and lemme also mention specifically your Bonded by blood review... I have badly wanted to write on that album but stopped short of it because no review can do justice to that album the way yours did. Really, I have learnt a lot about metal in general just reading reviews of veterans like you, Napero (belated thumbs up for your drive-through review of St Anger :D) or Hellsunicorn. *bows*

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Peregrin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:18 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
saintinhell's new Black Sabbath reviews was liked by Napero. Especially the first two paragraphs, he reminds us of things that are too often forgotten.

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=501#84278


I like it as well, because it's the first one of Technical Ecstacy that I really agree with - it's bad as a metal album, but okay as a rock album.
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saintinhell
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:23 pm 
 

Peregrin wrote:
Napero wrote:
saintinhell's new Black Sabbath reviews was liked by Napero. Especially the first two paragraphs, he reminds us of things that are too often forgotten.

http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=501#84278


I like it as well, because it's the first one of Technical Ecstacy that I really agree with - it's bad as a metal album, but okay as a rock album.


you said it, itz not a metal album at all IMO and so itz unreasonable to measure it by that gauge and sure it could have better for a rock album but it didnt majorly let down that way either.

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Peregrin
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:10 am 
 

I sometimes get the impression that metal has the highest percentage of genre hardliners among its fans out of any modern style of music, which is pretty ironic considering how much of a hybrid it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:37 am 
 

Peregrin wrote:
I sometimes get the impression that metal has the highest percentage of genre hardliners among its fans out of any modern style of music, which is pretty ironic considering how much of a hybrid it is.


Can't you tell the difference between philosophy and sound?

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saintinhell
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:42 pm 
 

Peregrin wrote:
I sometimes get the impression that metal has the highest percentage of genre hardliners among its fans out of any modern style of music, which is pretty ironic considering how much of a hybrid it is.


well, hardliners are there everywhere, whatz the general take of people in general on metal after all?? :D but I agree, nobody did metal right out of the womb, yet for many it has become almost imperative even to put down classic 70s rock, which is what our 80s and 90s metal Gods grew up with as kids actually!!

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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:00 am 
 

Peregrin wrote:
I sometimes get the impression that metal has the highest percentage of genre hardliners among its fans out of any modern style of music, which is pretty ironic considering how much of a hybrid it is.


:lol: I don't know about that ... talked to many jazz fans? But, generally I get what you're saying.

Yes, taintinhell's reviews are always a good read. My favourite is his "Hell Awaits" one, I think .. nobody could have said better why it's undeniable that this is the best SLayer has to offer.

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saintinhell
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:34 pm 
 

Thank you for specifically mentioning the Hell Awaits review, lot of reasoning went into that review, one of those things that dawn on you when you absentmindedly give an album a whir after a long time..."holy fuck, this is so amazing, why doesn't it get its due??" kind of thing.

And may I take the liberty to invite reactions from all on my new Deathevocation review..itz ok, u can put it up on Oven Fodder if it really didnt go well with you!! :D

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Peregrin
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:53 pm 
 

requiem99 wrote:
Peregrin wrote:
I sometimes get the impression that metal has the highest percentage of genre hardliners among its fans out of any modern style of music, which is pretty ironic considering how much of a hybrid it is.


Can't you tell the difference between philosophy and sound?


Pardon?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:16 am 
 

big caspian's review of Ulver's new album makes me wanna check their newer material out.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:50 pm 
 

And requiem just said most of what I was going to say in his new Helloween review.

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Mungo
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:13 am 
 

zeingard's review of 'Rise of the Tyrant' was an excellent review IMO. It was funny, true, and funny because it was true. He is becoming one of my favourite reviewers as his reviews are always quality and he expresses his thoughts well. Furthermore, his negative reviews usually have an element of humour in them which is well done.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:49 am 
 

Mungo wrote:
zeingard's review of 'Rise of the Tyrant' was an excellent review IMO. It was funny, true, and funny because it was true. He is becoming one of my favourite reviewers as his reviews are always quality and he expresses his thoughts well. Furthermore, his negative reviews usually have an element of humour in them which is well done.


I agree, he has a down-to-earth style of writing, yet gets his point through effectively, with some humor to boot. Very enjoyable read.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:40 pm 
 

Peregrin's new review of Awaken the Guardian by Fates Warning cuts to the heart of why the album doesn't thrill me like it does many other people. Unfortunately, because he did such a good job, I can see my review (even though it's not bad) being nuked now. :(
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Peregrin
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:51 pm 
 

PriestofSadWings wrote:
Peregrin's new review of Awaken the Guardian by Fates Warning cuts to the heart of why the album doesn't thrill me like it does many other people. Unfortunately, because he did such a good job, I can see my review (even though it's not bad) being nuked now. :(


Actually, I myself was a bit hesitant to write it since your review saying basically the same makes mine somewhat redundant. Mine even has a couple of grammatical errors MS Word somehow did not catch - I cleaned those up and resubmitted it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:07 am 
 

Ahm...
Blarglepop did a damn fine job in beating the shit out of Blood Tsunami's Thrash Metal.:hyper:

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fluffy_ferret
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:50 am 
 

Yea good job Peregrin, you captured (what you thought was) the essence of that album and justified your score very well.

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saintinhell
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:51 am 
 

but I cant view that review? :scratch:

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Peregrin
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:34 am 
 

I fixed some glaring grammatical errors last night and resubmitted it. It should appear at some point.

EDIT: In the meantime, the review is here:

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"Awaken the Guardian" is an album I ought to like. Its complex songwriting never at once calls attention to its artifice as is far too often the case, as an articulation of its creators' ideals it is practically without peer in its genre, as obvious as its sources of inspiration are (classic metal from Sabbath through Maiden, brainy progressive rock like Rush and Yes) it weaves them seamlessly into an easily distinguishable tapestry of music where every almost thread has a distinct purpose, the way the songs unfurl and progress is truly a thing of beauty akin to a perfectly symmetrical gemstone revealing new surfaces with each glance upon it... and being a Fates Warning album, it displays a level of instrumental proficiency most other USPM bands can at best dream of. It is, in other words, the perfect rebuttal against charges of oldschool heavy metal (frequently denounced as a mere transitional fossil by death metal fans) or just metal in general being a crude, low-brow form of music.

However, no matter how many generous albums I give this album it is clear that something quite important is missing... with the exceptions of "Fata Morgana" and "Exodus" (I'd also mention "Valley of the Dolls" if it wasn't an anomaly on this album in having a clumsy and meandering structure and a surprisingly straight-up thrash riff), I find "Awaken the Guardian" emotionally unengaging to an absolutely astonishing extent. It is not that it lacks passion - quite the contrary, a metal album made with purer genuine dedication to Neo-Romantic artistic ideals is a rare find. It is not a case of too much prog and too little metal - the riffs are as definitely metal as they come, the progressiveness is entirely in the arrangements. It is not the production being too clear for my taste, as evidenced by those two songs which do affect me. It is not even a case of me falling outside the intended audience, since I happen to be quite fond of Fates Warning's previous albums "Night on Bröcken" and "The Spectre Within".

In fact, at times it feels like a parody of how "The Spectre Within" became a classic in the first place for working both as art and entertainment (two things far too many people consider mutually exclusive these days). Here, there are very few songs here I can honestly appreciate in another way than putting on a beret, proudly sipping from a fresh cup of cafe au lait and babbling on in art theory speak about how this album deconstructs subcultural textual theory through contextualizing the thematic conflict between within and without into a view of consciousness as a totality. In plain English: A song borrowing the main riff from "Children of the Grave" as shamelessly as "The Sorceress" has no right to be this flat-out dull!

Another illustration of the disappointment that "Awaken the Guardian" is my argument starts with a perspective to much less famous USPM album - Brocas Helm's "Black Death". The two are basically polar opposites: "Awaken the Guardian" is by all logic a transcendental masterpiece, but I can barely relate to it no matter how hard I try; "Black Death" is bluntly put an artistic catastrophe, but kicks more ass than 95% of its peers could ever hope to. When the sort of album J. W. Goethe would write if he was a metalhead is upstaged by a disjointed and amateurish obscurity, something must be profoundly wrong with it.

So, what went wrong? I still have absolutely no idea, but for all intents and purposes "Awaken the Guardian" is an album I neither like nor dislike, but merely pity. There's very little lack of even waste of effort, but when it comes to unusually literate epic heavy metal there's many other albums I'd rather listen to.
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