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Bad at Life
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:12 pm 
 

I have been playing guitar and bass for 20+ years and am still searching for the perfect shape. I know a lot of it is preference, but I would still like some input and ideas. Right now I have several strat shapes, a Gibson SG, a Gibson Les Paul, and a Dean ML. I've owned several B.C. Rich styles, various explorers and even a flying v in the past and was just curious as to what other people prefer. I primarily play black metal, but enjoy a little bit of shred every now and again. My SG is my primary at the moment. It's an oddball, a 2017 HP with 24 frets, titanium hardware etc. It's a hell of a guitar, but it has a very wide neck and considerable neck dive. The ML, which was loaned to me for a pack of smokes, has incredible balance either standing or sitting, but I'm not excited on the looks of it. I'm thinking about a Gibson Explorer or another Ibanez Destroyer next, but damn, I really like a triple octave guitar and they're all 22 fret instruments. I like the balance of a v, but I don't enjoy playing them sitting down. Feels like I'm playing a broom. I love Les Pauls, but damn, they are heavy after a while. Anyways, I guess my question is this - What guitars have anti neck dive?

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coupdebleus
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:00 am 
 

Neck dive is the headstock’s fault, headless guitars will never have that problem. Have you considered giving them a try?

Love me some short-scales. I’m currently without a guitar (moving and all that stuff), but as soon as I’m able I’ll get myself a Jaguar.
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~Guest 1452000
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:51 pm 
 

If you find the Les Paul to be too heavy you can do some research and find one that has the 'ultra-modern' weight reduction, those will be the lightest ones. The models and model years are pretty confusing, though, which is why I suggest doing the research :lol:

And yeah, to answer the question, that's definitely my favorite guitar shape. I used to play Fender Stratocasters exclusively, I even bought a Charvel Stratocaster for playing metal but ever since switching to Gibsons I can't go back. I sold all the Fenders, bought an SG, then sold that for a Les Paul. It has much better weight balance than the SG and it's just a nicer guitar imo. Never going back.

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Bad at Life
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:47 pm 
 

The only thing that sold me on this particular SG was the 24 fret access. There are a few other SGs with 24 frets, but it's not a common thing with Gibson and unfortunately I stab at the 23rd and 24th fret a lot for leads, and even a riff here and there. I don't mind the weight of a Les Paul, I actually like them quite a bit. I'm honestly going to look into an older Ibanez RG550. A classic shred machine and I have always wanted one.

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Zerberus
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:32 pm 
 

I'm definitely not a good enough guitar player for the shape to have any real effect on my playing, but I definitely prefer a classic Flying V.
Les Pauls look dumb to me, and the body's too thick.
I've owned two SGs, but I've always hated the neck dive. The body also tends to look a little small on me for some reason.

I've been kinda interested in getting a Jaguar, I think they look really sick. Strats are a little boring imo.
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Hexenmacht46290
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:45 pm 
 

The Fender jazz bass neck is is narrower, closer to the nut, about the same width as a Stratocaster neck. I like that, for playing melodies with a bunch of semitones, or chromatic notes, on a bass. I don’t like really wide necks on bass or guitar, I never had much dexterity.

As far as looks, SG looks good, because it has horns, and therefore, it’s infernal.
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Zerberus
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:50 am 
 

Hexenmacht46290 wrote:
The Fender jazz bass neck is is narrower, closer to the nut, about the same width as a Stratocaster neck. I like that, for playing melodies with a bunch of semitones, or chromatic notes, on a bass. I don’t like really wide necks on bass or guitar, I never had much dexterity.



Definitely agree on that. I've got a five string Ibanez bass that is of course a way better bass than my shitty Squire P-bass, but that P-bass plays like a dream.
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Hexenmacht46290
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:44 pm 
 

Is it the jazz bass, or the P bass, that has that thinner neck? Maybe I got it wrong. I have a dean, with a P bass neck pickup, and a single coil bridge pickup. That’s what I was talking about. It was the first bass I bought, because it was the cheapest in the store.
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Mango_Sauce
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:21 am 
 

I spent all my youth worshipping marty friedman's RiP era kelly (which is essentially an "altered" explorer). I can pretty safely say aesthetically that is my favorite guitar. I finally got one (one of the cheaper ones unfortunately, not a pro level made in america one, which start at like 4000 USD) and it's pretty surprisingly comfortable *except* the top spike at the neck stabs my chest when I'm sitting down! what a pain. it kinda encourages better posture because it happens when I'm slouching into it, but if I'm hunching over to get a good look at the fretboard it will stab me.

Classical position is really awkward with that huge swoop too, I never do that.

Also major neckdive lol. I mostly practice standing up, and it happens to not bother me, but yeah it's a bummer when I notice it.

I'm not sure how much these points transfer to an explorer, but I imagine they do at least a bit.

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Wrldeatr
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:56 pm 
 

X shape is my favorite and most comfortable shape for playing when sitting. The BC Rich Warlock tends too be too heavy and the rear cutout too low. The Jackson Warrior tends to be well balanced and doesn't suffer from neck dive.

V's are great for playing standing because you can control the position of the guitar with your right knee. So the ideal guitar for me would be one that doesn't exist as far as I know: an X shape but with two equally long rear horns, a combination of a Warrior and a King V.

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Bad at Life
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:14 am 
 

I have been playing a Dean ML(x shape) all day today and love the balance. Plays nice sitting down and well as standing up.

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Nocturnal_Evil
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:50 pm 
 

Jackson Kelly with a fixed bridge and no strap connectors on the back. Dream guitar material.
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