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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:02 am 
 

Trade forums and distros everywhere rightfully have their shitlists for bad trades or rip-off artists or whatever, but less often do you see this kind of stuff happening to musicians/bands. Anyway, this guy runs some sort of supposed Brazilian metal zine (he claims it's the third oldest in Brazil!!) but he's a pretty obvious rip-off artist. Basically this guy just browses those Russian pirate blogs who will post your shit minutes/hours after you put it on Bandcamp, then contacts the bands if he can in order to have them send promos (i.e. physical CD's) to him so he can review them for his zine.

Thing is, I don't think the ROCK UNDERGROUND zine is even real or has any sort of substantial distribution, and the website for it (linked in his emails) doesn't even work. This guy emailed me shortly after I released the Coma Void album and just today emailed me wanting a Gloaming CD as well. I understand that some publications and labels still prefer physical things but in this case it's pretty obviously a guy who, at best, is looking to build a huge collection of music without paying for it or who, at worst, is a bootlegger or something.

Anyway, the whole thing smells fishy as shit and I found him listed on some labels' blacklists, so it's probably best to ignore the guy if he emails you.

Júlio César Bocáter - Publisher
www.rockunderground-mag.com
rockunderground@bol.com.br

Address:
ROCK UNDERGROUND
AT Julio Cesar Bocater
Rua Rogerio Armelin Guanaes, 360 apto 76
Penha – SP/SP
CEP: 03732-160
Brazil

(Note: the email address he actually used to send the email through my Bandcamp contact page was ru13@bol.com.br)

If anyone can vouch for this guy/zine of course let me know, but the whole thing reeks of scam a mile off.
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 am 
 

Hahahaha, in his original email he said that he discovered by band through the "review" website darkport.org, which of course is just a Russian dumping grounds for Bandcamp ripped metal.

I replied to tell him that if he wanted to review my band, he was welcome to use the files he stole from darkport, and he just replied with this gem:

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I’ve not pirated nothing there, only Discovery your bands, for this I asking for original stuff.
I against PIRATE then our slogan


Support true bands, labels, albums and true collectors!
Against pirates, downloaders and digital music!

You must denounced it, and work with serious magazines
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Kveldulfr
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:24 am 
 

He's still nothing compared to the mighty Christian Felipe Paucar Toledo. Tried to get CD's from me as well.

More info about him

http://drakkar666.forumactif.com/t645-c ... an-rip-off
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:37 am 
 

Man, that guy ripped off half the planet! Here's the latest gem from the guy in the OP:

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For me DISCOVERY BANDS, I DON’T WANT DOWNLOAD EVERY BANDS AROUND THE WQORLD I DINT HAVE TIME FOR LISTEM 100 BANDS FOR DAY, IM NOT STEALING YOUR BAND, I DID NOT LISTEN YOUR BAND I LISTEN only bands send promos for us. Retard are you and take ewasy with your worlds I’m journalist and lawyer too!
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witchbitch
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Location: Portland, Oregon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:24 pm 
 

No legitimate reviewer needs a hard copy of your album. If they request one direct them to your label. Everyone we've worked with in the past just uses digital formats to review. It's crazy that these people still think this is the way things work.
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:01 pm 
 

Well unfortunately for me I don't have a label and I do all promotion stuff myself. Most people accept (often even exclusively) digital formats but you do get the odd people who only want physical stuff. Usually labels but sometimes legit reviewers, too.

Anyway, this guy Aleksey from Satanath Records confirmed this guy as a scammer:

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i sent to him some CDs for "reviews" (i marked CDs with word PROMO). he answer that not received. but on tracking site was written that he received. i'll write official message to our PO that they will check, then our Post Service say that he receive there. then other guy from Brazil ask me about my CDs, he say that have my CDs which marked as PROMO. i ask them from where this CDs, he say that from one brazilian distro, but don't remember which. well i think this Julio Bocater is rip-off.


I wonder if the Satanath guy hadn't bothered to write "PROMO" on them if they'd have been bootlegged rather than just sold.
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Iron1
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:47 am 
 

Back when I used to run a Zine, I never had to ask anyone for anything, the labels just sent em to me. If they need to ask, they can't be that worthwhile or they'd already be on PR/review lists.
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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:38 am 
 

Yeah, exactly. But also if you're in a band like mine where you're doing all of your own promotion and don't have a label yet, you're actively contacting places trying to get reviews, not the other way around.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:21 pm 
 

The guy who I always get emails from via bandcamp is the guy who runs Oriffs. I know he is in france and has a case of engrish, but always asks for a free cd to check it out and maybe review and possible trade for t-shirts. He does that regardless if the band has t-shirts or not.

He sends me one at least every 4 months on some new release.

The very first Filtheater release I put out on speed ritual I sent him a copy cause I was like fuck it why not? Nothing happened from it and yea out the cds (I think I sent that and another) and the 12 dollar shipping... so every time he contacts me I tell him I already sent him something... now what 4 years ago and nothing happened then and it won't happen now. And he tells me how he isn't a scammer or anything like... I know from research he does his distribution fair with no problem but spams like every new band for material and usually does nothing in response.

so be weary of Oriffs as well.


his stock email:

Hey
I present you ORIFFS SHOP
www.facebook.com/oriffs.shop
French Mailorder on this scene since 1992
I want distribute XXXXXXXX
Send me CD. I want check in details quality layout / cd sound / review.
- Possible DISTRIBUTION
- Possible RELEASE TAPE - DVD - COMPILATION
Too, do you have TSHIRT.?
TALK SOON
ORIFFS SHOP
( warning : it s NOT a fucking bastard spam )
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:23 pm 
 

Oh and the last time he sent it to Yzordderrex and then to speed ritual and when I replied he said how he was in contact with my label. I just said... oh good they can then hook you up.

fucking lol.
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NOWIMPS
Mallcore Kid

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Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:17 am 
 

THE BIGGEST RIP OFF THEF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO ON WEBSITES AROUND THE WORLD !!! :


CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO PERUVIAN RIP OFF LADRÓN Y ESTAFADOR
http://christianfelipepaucar.jimdo.com/

CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO ESTAFADOR RIP OFF
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Christia ... 787?ref=hl

CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO RIP OFF !!! THIEF !!!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Christia ... 4320118413

DISCOS INAUDITOS
http://www.discosinauditos.com/2014/04/ ... umbas.html

CAGLIARI RECORDS # 1
https://www.facebook.com/CaligariRecord ... 61/?type=1

CAGLIARI RECORDS # 2
https://www.facebook.com/CaligariRecord ... hoto_reply

SALUTE RECORDS
https://www.facebook.com/SaluteRecords/ ... 9929298104

PSYCHO MAGAZINE
http://www.psychozine.eu/en/modules.php ... le&sid=484

DRAKKAR PRODUCTIONS # 1
http://drakkar666.forumactif.com/t655-t ... ian-paucar

DRAKKAR PRODUCTIONS # 2
http://drakkar666.forumactif.com/t645-c ... an-rip-off

DRAKKAR PRODUCTIONS # 3
http://drakkar666.forumactif.com/t653-p ... car-toledo

DOOM-METAL.COM
http://www.doom-metal.com/phpbb2/viewto ... =11&t=5962

THE LEGION OF TCHORT
https://www.facebook.com/DamnationWinds ... 8128537462

ANCIENT.W.INDS.PL
http://ancient.w.inds.pl/ripoff/list.html

DARK FRONT LABEL & DISTRO # 1
http://vk.com/topic-10287623_22446851

DARK FRONT LABEL & DISTRO # 2
http://vk.com/album-10287623_145916062?act=comments

METAL SCRAP RECORDS
http://metalscraprecords.com/en/rip-off ... car-toledo

LA HORDE NOIRE
http://lahordenoire.free.fr/gueularium. ... cBkqvlkow1

SATANATH RECORDS
http://satanath.com/rip-off.html

MISANTHROPIC PROPAGANDA PRODUCTIONS
http://www.chaosempire.ru/mpp/ripoffs.html

FUNERAL ZINE
http://www.funeralzine.8m.com/htm/rip-off.htm

METAL ARCHIVES
viewtopic.php?t=71898&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

TAKLAMAKAN
http://taklamakan.forolunanueva.com/t13 ... adores-etc

METAL.MAYHEM.CO.UK
http://www.hydepark.co.il/topic.asp?cat ... rum_id=624

MYSPACE
https://myspace.com/ladron_paucartoledo

ENTHRONED
http://forums.smnnews.com/archive/index ... 55551.html

DUNKELHEIT PRODUKTIONEN
http://www.dunkelheit-produktionen.de/links_.html

ARGENSTEEL.ORG
http://argensteel.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=32383

RABIES.WZ.CZ
http://www.rabies.wz.cz/rip_off.html

DEATHMETAL.ORG
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.p ... =showposts

HYDEPARK.CO.IL
http://www.hydepark.co.il/topic.asp?cat ... rum_id=624

DISHARMONIC FIELDS
http://www.livrodevisitas.com.br/ler.cf ... 1&count=10

NECROMANCE RECORDS
http://www.webmastersgratis.com/foro/61 ... 10863.html

NIHILISTIC HOLOCAUST
http://nihilistic.darkbb.com/t849p15-ri ... ce-forward

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NOWIMPS
Mallcore Kid

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Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:30 am 
 

CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO RIP OFF DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS AND FAKE PROFILES !!! :

FACEBOOK # 1 - PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF THIEF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO
https://www.facebook.com/christianfelipe.paucartoledo.9

FACEBOOK # 2 - FAKE ACCOUNT OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF WILLIAM JACINTO
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id ... 58&fref=ts

VK # 1 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF INCAS OBSCURANTIS
http://vk.com/id224854168

VK # 2 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF RITUALISTIC BLASPHEMIC MAGAZINE WITH TH FAKE NAME OF RENZO PETROZZI
http://vk.com/id307812960

GOOGLE # 1 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF RITUALISTIC BLASPHEMIC
https://plus.google.com/111762095351240583357/posts

GOOGLE # 2 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF INCAS OBSCURANTIS
https://plus.google.com/105321686216189889358/posts

YOUTUBE # 1 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF INCAS OBSCURANTIS
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd5Kl1 ... rvMBCXEV8w

YOUTUBE # 2 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF RITUALISTIC BLASPHEMIC
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp33g ... LPA9MytgXw

MYSPACE - PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF THIEF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO
https://myspace.com/372987638

REVERBNATION # 1 - PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF THIEF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO
https://www.reverbnation.com/christianf ... ucartoledo

REVERBNATION # 2 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF INCAS OBSCURANTIS
https://www.reverbnation.com/fan/incasobscurantis

REVERBNATION # 3 - GHOST ZINE OF PERUVIAN RIP OFF CHRISTIAN FELIPE PAUCAR TOLEDO UNDER THE FAKE NAME OF THE ORACULUM PESTIFERUM ZINE
https://www.reverbnation.com/label/theo ... inerecords

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LemmonFury
Mallcore Kid

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Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:24 pm 
 

Sorry for the necrobump, but this guy just messaged me and my band today asking for cds, had no idea... Good thing I Googled him and this came up.

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LemmonFury
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:28 pm 
 

Sorry for the necrobump, but this guy just messaged my band looking to review us for his zine... Was a bit skeptical so I Googled him, and luckily found this thread.

I also found his website, but it looks legit. Has reviews and such.

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Thoth Amon
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:28 am 
 

I just go a message from him in regards to my band Sarcoptes. It seemed fishy to me so I forwarded it the head of the label who released my CD. After a little research I figured out he's a scammer.
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Thoth Amon
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:39 pm 
 

Does anyone know if Ramos Ruben of The Pain Fucktory is a scammer also? I know my label sent him some money for some ads and to get some of his bands on a compilation but I never heard anything from it.
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metalinvasor
Mallcore Kid

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Location: Chile
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 3:37 pm 
 

I just got an email of this guy asking if we would like to get a review in next issue of his zine...and I'm glad for having found this thread. Thanks!

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The_Vlad
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Location: Poland
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:59 pm 
 

3 years ago I sent him the CDs of the bands I was working for... :( FUCK!!!!

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Element_man
Metalhead

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Location: Vancouver, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:26 pm 
 

Yeah this guy is brutal. Always emailing me for Gatekeeper stuff. I don't send physical CDs for press folk anymore--unless it's someone important or someone I really respect. I need my CDs to sell so I can record more of them.

Not only does he ask for free promos to review for his bullshit zine, he also asked for 5-10 CDs to "trade" with other zines for cross-promotion. Greasy fuck.
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ShaolinLambKiller
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:21 pm 
 

he hit me up again back in June about the same ol review/zine blah blah. I just asked for his address and said i'll get it out to him in a week. never heard anything since.
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Kommanderhooyah
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:33 pm 
 

Is anyone familiar with Andrey Ferraz of Zine Death Metal out of Brazil? He contacted me earlier today The magazine seems to be legitimate, but he says a physical format must be sent to him, which seems shady to me.
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Morn Of Solace
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Location: Italy
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:25 am 
 

In 2017 there can't be a reason to need the physical cd.

I'm not opposed to offer copies for free, but when i see "must send cd" i start to get pretty skeptical.

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the long distance runner
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 4:27 pm 
 

Thoth Amon wrote:
Does anyone know if Ramos Ruben of The Pain Fucktory is a scammer also? I know my label sent him some money for some ads and to get some of his bands on a compilation but I never heard anything from it.


Hi there! Digging out an old thread but I thought it might be useful to share experience like that (although I only almost sent money for a promotion service to this guy. His offer sounded not so bad.) - Turned out my friends' band got the same offer a few years ago, paid, and never heard from him again. Now I found this info and will for sure not send him anything.

Did anybody have any different experience with him?

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Ilwhyan
Metel fraek

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:26 am 
 

We were also approached by The Pain Fucktory for a sampler compilation appearance, and apparently they would've also streamed that stuff on their online radio. The zine looks legitimate to me, so it could be that the scammer is someone who's posing as the zine, but isn't actually involved. The TPF guy goes by Gorthaur, or Gort.
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Porman
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:12 am 
 

The Pain Fucktory. I remember that he was interested in reviewing our EP but it never happened. I can't recall if I sent them a physical copy but it's no big deal as I didn't pay for anything.
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KYBAL
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Location: Greece
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:56 pm 
 

hello im the guitarist of Silent winter Greece ,i received mail from this guy rock underground that asking me to send him 7 cd's of our new album for a best of the year contest and for labels....i search for this magazine and i couldnt found any official page for the third magazine in Brazil hahaha , im so glad that i found this thread and see he is a spammer..be careful and send only to verified people

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