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Crystal_Logic
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:34 pm 
 

I play the drums and consider myself to be quite good. I would have no problem playing music like the more prog Iron Maiden material, Rush or similar. However, I cannot do blastbeats or fast double kick. Does anyone have any good links to guides, or even just some tips?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:21 pm 
 

The DVD set itself is quite useful, but here is a bit pertaining to your request: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkHvIxycVNI
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MourningPyre
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:25 am 
 

No offense to Nordice_Warhammer, but Flo Mounier is the sloppiest extreme drummer to ever put out an instructional DVD and he looks like he's having a seizure when he plays. He hit the market back before YouTube and got lucky. Since then, you haven't heard from him because of said sloppiness.

You'll want to pick up Derek Roddy's book "The Evolution of Blast Beats" and practice those beats. It sounds to me that you're simply not practicing the material that'd require you to learn how to play the beats correctly. Iron Maiden and Rush are predmoninately one-kick drum material and, obviously no blast beats. This book is a great place to start because it has a huge library of tracks and audio files to practice and the practice material makes sense. Derek Roddy is an accomplished all around drummer as well, not just a blast machine. (Roddy also looks like he's reading a book when he plays, which is a great indication of technical skill.)

I'd had the best results developing my twitch muscles and learning to control the flick of my wrist/ankle and understand how to use the rebound motion to load it back into my wrist/ankle. It sounds stupid, but you'll need to use less larger muscle bellies to play faster. No quads, no hip drive, no shoulders, no bicips or tricepts - it's calves/ankles and wrist/fingers.

Consequently, Roddy just recently did a huge Drumeo live stream and he does double bass exactly the opposite, and the double bass part is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsFTMolfoNo - Do note he's playing without triggers and the kick drums are not tuned to each other.

Watch the whole Drumeo stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vyYIZt95EY
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inner_conflict97
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:04 am 
 

I found that blasting can be a little easier if you do bursts of blasts. If you listen to "Diabolus Interium" by Dark Funeral there is a lot of said burst blasting. Now, eventually you'd want to be able to play consistent blasts without stopping. Belphegor's "Lucifer Incestus" is great example of this kind of blasting. Just listen to drummer's that suit your kind of blasting style. If you like Derrek Roddy's style, go for that. Each blasting drummer is unique in their own way, unlike what a lot of people say about extreme metal drummers. Just find one that suits your style and find what you can and cant do. Also dont get discouraged when you cant blast at 200bpm+. It's actually better that you start out with wrist motion honestly at slower tempos just to get the feel of blasting. I know this thread hasn't gotten any responses in over a month, but I like what the guy above me said as well.

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aloof
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:34 pm 
 

try the George Kollias vids for technique.

as for everything else, the usual: use a metronome. set it to a speed you can play at comfortably and accurately. bump it by 10 bpm. repeat til you're where you want to be. don't try to jump from maiden to deathspell omega, it sure won't work.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:14 pm 
 

MourningPyre wrote:
No offense to Nordice_Warhammer, but Flo Mounier is the sloppiest extreme drummer to ever put out an instructional DVD and he looks like he's having a seizure when he plays. He hit the market back before YouTube and got lucky. Since then, you haven't heard from him because of said sloppiness.

You'll want to pick up Derek Roddy's book "The Evolution of Blast Beats" and practice those beats. It sounds to me that you're simply not practicing the material that'd require you to learn how to play the beats correctly. Iron Maiden and Rush are predmoninately one-kick drum material and, obviously no blast beats. This book is a great place to start because it has a huge library of tracks and audio files to practice and the practice material makes sense. Derek Roddy is an accomplished all around drummer as well, not just a blast machine. (Roddy also looks like he's reading a book when he plays, which is a great indication of technical skill.)

I'd had the best results developing my twitch muscles and learning to control the flick of my wrist/ankle and understand how to use the rebound motion to load it back into my wrist/ankle. It sounds stupid, but you'll need to use less larger muscle bellies to play faster. No quads, no hip drive, no shoulders, no bicips or tricepts - it's calves/ankles and wrist/fingers.

Consequently, Roddy just recently did a huge Drumeo live stream and he does double bass exactly the opposite, and the double bass part is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsFTMolfoNo - Do note he's playing without triggers and the kick drums are not tuned to each other.

Watch the whole Drumeo stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vyYIZt95EY


I second Roddy. The guy knows what he's doing and he has done a lot of material teaching his techniques. One of the important things he said once was the muscular shift when you play single strokes and start to play faster. You don't keep the same position for the fingers, hand and wrist in every situation, so look for specific techniques that you are interested to. Moeller technique is great for blasting without much stamina involved but for slower grooves you won't be using that.

Behemoth's Inferno or Hellhammer have a light touch that sounds powerful, another drummers hit the drums heavier with different techniques.
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