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nkaper
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:47 pm 
 

sory for eng.
i dont know, maybe no metal band, except mainstream, ever earns money? maybe it's all for fun. i released one album once in CD-format, it was epic doom metal about coprophilia and ive sold 8 CDs only in 9 years. maybe making metal is not about earning money. but in case there IS money in all of this, then maybe my proposal maybe of interest to somebody.
so there is me and i make epic heavy metal songs with a peculiar concept of the lyrics, a couple of albums are done, third is 50% completed, i'd like to find listeners for it, but i know no way, i dont know how to release any album on cd and how to sell (that one 9 years ago was by luck i suppose, some label wrote to me first and released 500 copies and gave me 50 for free). i suppose one has to write to metal magazines or something, get reviews, to get attention. but i dont belive in luck, i cant waste time on writing to all these magazines hoping they will review. so if there should be somebody who could do it for me and arrange physical releases for my products, i could just provide him with my pieces of creation and he could own the cds and sell them, or in whichever way one is supposed to make money on making music. i'd only like bandcamp sellings to be my part, maybe through it i could earn on guitar strings or something. the earning through everything else is yours.
you can estimate my music here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWG9RFS9pg the fresh album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN0flQiBF9g album recorded in 2010
the third album is going to be more folkish and progressive than this fresh one. the fresh one is like a test of what sound i can get at home alone. it's really the maximum, so bear it in mind.
one album is going to be a summoning-like one, i only need to create a concept for lyrics to begin to record it. that album will be really able to get attention (as summoning is very popular), and consequently earn money. i beleive all these shitty caladan broods do make money, since there is so big a cult about them and so much merch and all. (sorry if i offended sombody's feeling, but i really dong care for untalented music like caladan brood or eldrewind. i like prfessionals, like bathory, or metallica or iron maiden, a cople of albums by summoning, they know how to create catchy music, not all that "atmospheric" fucking crap)
govnilium@gmail.com

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aloof
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:34 am 
 

^^post of the year for me. following this thread with great interest!
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nkaper
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:28 pm 
 

aloof wrote:
^^post of the year for me. following this thread with great interest!

you yourself are not interested in managing the project? it might be an addition to your cds if you're selling somehwere. the only thing to do is to find a label interested to release my albums on cd. then, as usual, i think they will send you some part the cds, which you can sell. the russian label sent me 50 cds when i released govnilium. it's true that ive sold only 10 cds in 8 years, but i didnt promote it at all, i only uploaded the album on 2 sites in 2010 and that's all. and i think most people (even fans of epic metal) didnt even listen to it mostly because of the provocating concept. if it hadnt been for the concept i think it would have been far more popular and demanded by morons who waste money on collecting cds. im not talking about releasing the last album, it is a very primitive album. but the next albums will be as good as any of bathory's late albums, and thus far more likely to be demanded and easily sold.

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aloof
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:35 pm 
 

nkaper wrote:
the next albums will be as good as any of bathory's late albums, and thus far more likely to be demanded and easily sold.


this keeps getting better and better :D

sorry, I don't run a label anymore... but if you put your money where your mouth is* and you material's that good, it will be easy to find a label to take advantage of your enormous talent.


*that's an english expression, please don't put banknotes or coins in your mouth
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nkaper
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:15 pm 
 

aloof wrote:
nkaper wrote:
the next albums will be as good as any of bathory's late albums, and thus far more likely to be demanded and easily sold.


this keeps getting better and better :D

sorry, I don't run a label anymore... but if you put your money where your mouth is* and you material's that good, it will be easy to find a label to take advantage of your enormous talent.


*that's an english expression, please don't put banknotes or coins in your mouth

my music is already better and more talented than 99% of crap released by metal labels. no sense arguing, that's a fact, aknowledged by many.
but how will labels find it? i suppose the normal practice is musicians send the material to various labels or something like that. that's what im looking for somebody for

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aloof
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:20 pm 
 

what prevents you from doing it yourself? all you need is to include the "my music is already better and more talented than 99% of crap released by metal labels. no sense arguing, that's a fact, aknowledged by many" line (music link very optional) and you're on to a winnar!
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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:33 pm 
 

You sound like an artist that managers would absolutely line up for the opportunity to work with. :thumbsup:

You'll find it difficult to convice a PR manager to work for you without paying up front. PR agencies have no control over how much people will actually like your music, let alone buy records, so promising them potential income is not going to cut it. You might as well promise them "exposure".
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nkaper
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:17 pm 
 

why i cannot do it myself (even as little as send promo material to labels) is that i'm above that. i cannot bring myself to beg to release my albums somebody who has released crap and praises it. i hate underground metal music, which is 99% untalented crap as i said, as well as whoever listens to it, or releases, or even pushes like button to it. you might say 'then try it with bigger labels, who have released your iron maiden, megadeth, etc'. but the sound and performance quality of my material is of course not as high as that of those big bands. thus i fall neither into the category of underground labels nor big labels, and will stay unpublished unless somebody takes up this lowly business of sending out the material to shitty labels. looking for a pr manager, as i call it, i basically aim at people who individullay trade cds on discogs. i don't think that to send a message to a few dozen labels is such a big deal as to need to pay for in advance. if i were trading physical cds or vinyl, as i once did, i would be very interested in such an offer, and much more so as the material in question is in folkish epic doom style, something in which few bands have ever made great albums, and which ensures that it will be demanded. if the label should send back at least 50 cds of every album it will make 50 x $5 = $250 of potential profit for the effort of sending out the promo to labels. it's just that those $250 is not a very interesting sum, i guess, which is where all my pessimism about releasing albums begins. but maybe there are ways of getting more than 50 cds or a better price than $5 for a cd.

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:26 am 
 

:roll: Yeah, great, good luck with that.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:06 am 
 

splendid. I give you 10% for being entirely honest, besides being full of yourself.

so, which album would you want the "PR manager" to pitch to labels? that merry and free one, or a "forthcoming" one, based on your word that it's better than anything?
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nkaper
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:17 am 
 

aloof wrote:
splendid. I give you 10% for being entirely honest, besides being full of yourself.

so, which album would you want the "PR manager" to pitch to labels? that merry and free one, or a "forthcoming" one, based on your word that it's better than anything?

i'd say merry and free definitely deserves life in a physical form (seeing what crap is released nowhadays and even on cassettes and vinyl), but perhaps not yet, for there is too much weirdness about it, i need at first to expound on the style and the lyrics by releasing something more. the forthcoming one, with which i'm finishing presently, consists of songs in vein of my 2010's track 6 and 2019's track 3 + instrumental tracks, which in my estimation makes it as good as bathory's nordland. it's just that if there is no arrangement that some label will release it, then i will upload it on the web straightway as usual and also connect it unrestrictedly with my other activities and thus perhaps too much degrade its potential value to be ever released on cd afterwards.

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aloof
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:25 am 
 

no label will sign you for material they have not heard (unless your name is James Hetfield or so). once this masterpiece is finished, upload it on soundcloud or some other platform that allows you to have "private" streamable material and send me a link, together with an email address, here, on a PM.
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nkaper
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:42 am 
 

aloof wrote:
no label will sign you for material they have not heard (unless your name is James Hetfield or so). once this masterpiece is finished, upload it on soundcloud or some other platform that allows you to have "private" streamable material and send me a link, together with an email address, here, on a PM.

ok, i'll pm you.

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Element_man
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:49 pm 
 

I remember listening to your first album a few years ago. It's good Bathory worship. Very good, even. However, the lyrics and themes are so at odds with what people want and expect from this genre that I don't think it's going to be an easy sell. The lyrics translated into English make the whole project seem like a joke or satire. I remember listening to the album on YouTube with some friends and we were enjoying the tunes while laughing out loud at the lyrics. It was a shame honestly. It almost made me feel like I had been cheated out of a good band.

This style of music has a market and you could build up a decent following if the right energy was put into promotion but I think that the themes and imagery either needs a facelift or needs to be kept super mysterious to build a more cult-like atmosphere. I'm listening to the 2019 album you just linked and it seems like you've moved away from those sorts of themes?

I may be able to help you out with your next album. I have a good working relationship with some labels in the USA/EU who deal with this kind of music and other people in graphic design/video, plus merch and all that other shit. Publicists as well. I can't promise that anything would come of it but there's potential in a band with this sound. But I'd only be willing to work with you if you're willing to make sure that your presentation (photos, artwork, video content, overall vibe) can match the quality of the music. I would also need to hear the next album when it's ready.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:05 pm 
 

I (mostly) concur... what's wrong with singing about vikings or russian winters? :)

also saw your post in the seeking musicians forum, and I think you're shooting yourself in the foot :/
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