I've been attempting to find a good doom tone for a while now. I guess what I'm trying to get closest to is that of Electric Wizard (listen to "The Sun Has Turned to Black" for a perfect demonstration of what I'm looking for).

I play an Epiphone SG G-310, but I think it's fine for what I want. I remember reading an interview with Jus Oborn once, and he said that he uses a cheap SG as well.

I used to play a Peavey Studio Pro 40, which was decent, but that (coupled with a BBE FreeFuzz pedal) was not enough for the doomy/fuzziness I wanted. So, I got a Peavey Valve King 112, and I must say, it's MUCH closer to what I'm going for.

So, my question is, what should be my next step towards this particular tone I'm going for? Please don't suggest buying a $900 Sunn/Orange...that's out of my budget for a long time. Is it the pedal? I was considering buying a different fuzz pedal, but I don't want to spend the money on it and be disappointed. I frequently look up fuzz demo videos on youtube, but no one uses it in the way I would (fuzz at max, amp dist. at max, and loud; playing de-tuned 5th and power chords)

Or am I just not setting everything up right?
Fuzz settings- 10/10
Volume- 10/10
Guitar volume- 10/10
Amp gain- 10/10
EQ: bass- 10/10
mid- 5/10
treble- 5/10

I don't think the settings are the problem, as I've played around with them for a while and found the current ones to be best, but I am open to suggestions.

What exactly do you not like about your current tone?

The thing that sticks out to me is the amp itself... Only 1 12" speaker will have a hard time replicating a good doom sound. If you can get a decent 412 with Celestion V30s, you'll be in business.

Also, crank the fuck out of your amp.

Man, effect pedals are really under-rated for no reason... I made a tone yesterday that is soooo Doom, I could barely contain myself. It's actually quite easy to make. It needs to be dirty, raw and FUCKING HEAVY.

I remember reading somewhere, could have been here actually but I'm not sure, that Electric Wizard used bass amps on the guitars to get their really bassy tone.

Jus just uses a Sound City 120 with Marshall cabs, probably stocked with 30s. He uses a Boss Hyper Fuzz as well. Not sure if this is the same setup he uses today, but whatever.

Don't turn the bass up on your EQ dude. That just muddies the tone up, as the bass should be supplying all the bass end anyfuckingway.

I use a Big Muff Pi, it gets the job done. There are a bunch of fuzzes out there, all with different tonal and distortion properties.

YOu could buy a Zvex wooly mammoth. Or make it if you know your electronics and can get the materials you can find schematics on the internet. The fuzz pedal's fuzz peedal. 1 issue: $300

to mattp-
It's not overall fuzzy enough I guess. Listen to the Electric Wizard song The Sun..., and you'll hear how outrageously fuzzed/crunchy Jus' tone is. That's what I need more of. I'll try and record a sample soon, and post it for you to compare to the EW song.

to Dolf9271986-
So how'd you do it?

to Manic616-
I have a bass amp, but it's a crappy silvevtone practice amp. I do have a decent Peavey keyboard amp, but even my ValveKing is better.

to WebOfPiss-
I'll look into the Hyper Fuzz, as it seems cheap enough to get soon. My BBE doesn't seem to be getting the job done, so I'll check it out.
I'll fix the EQ and try it now.

to MorbidAtheist-
I have zero experience building this stuff. My friend is great at it, he's built himself a fuzz face and an amp head. He's also modified my wah. I was considering trying to build a Univox SuperFuzz clone, but I don't think I have the patience or skill to do that.
A $300 pedal seems out of my reach right now, specially since I'd rather just put that towards a Sunn amp in my SunnFund...

Alright I have a Digitech Rp 250, I have it on a "fuzzy" distortion tone, a dual rectifier amp model, I got reverb on, it's a little tricky to explain.

Have fun finding one-they've been out of production for almost 10 years or so. The new Boss Fuzz, whatever it's called, sucks. It just models a Maetsro Fuzz, Fuzz Face, and Octavia, but very poorly IMO.

I've already found a few on ebay...
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid ... Categories
^Those aren't it?

If not, I'm sure it'll turn up soon. The univox super fuzz has been out of production for even longer, but I always see them on ebay (for $400, but they are there).

That would be it. I've never played one so I can't vouch for it.

ZVEX Fuzz Factories are overrated beyond all reason. They're Fuzz Faces plus an internal feedback loop. I'd much rather have a Peppermint Fuzz, myself. But then again, I like Blue Cheer leagues more than I like Hendrix.

Tone update- my friend recently made me a fuzz pedal, a clone of the MXR Blue Box, but better. He improved the fuzz so it sounds overall better and I can get more out of it, and added an additional octave down (won't always use this though, it's a bonus). So far I've found this to work very well, it sounds great and is closer to my ultimate goal.

Anyway, for amps...am considering upgrading from my ValveKing 112 to a head/cab combo. For heads, I'm leaning towards the Sound City 120. Not sure about the cab yet though, I was considering a older Univox 6x10, opinions anyone?

Have fun tracking down all of that gear since none of it is in production anymore. What tuning do you use?

There's a Sound City 120 on ebay now for $500, located about 20 mins from my house, so no S&H. The Univox was up a couple days ago, no one bought it, so it might go up again (it was $200 total).

2 steps down (C).

If you've got the money and the riffs, then go for it. What kind of doom do you want to play?

A bit of a combination. For the most part, Electric Wizard/Reverend Bizarre inspired kind of stuff, but I also really like funeral doom, so that too.

Oh well don't bother picking the equipment up then

I'm guessing you don't like that kind of stuff then?

I'll probably go for the SC head first, they seem rarer, and you said a while back it's what or similar to Jus Oborn uses, so that seems a safe bet.

I never even knew you could do that without destroying the amp. Thats at least what my cousin told me.

I've wondered at this too. I'm sure playing at low to mid volumes wouldn't pose to much of a problem, but I have always been afraid to play a fully distorted guitar through my bass amp loud enough that you would actually be able to hear it over the drums. It just seems like a bad idea.

A bass through a guitar amp is a bad idea, since the frequency response of the speakers doesn't go low enough to support the bass frequencies. A guitar through a bass amp won't provide any problems.

Guitars through bass amps are good to go. What destroys amps is plugging basses into guitar amps. (even though Cronos did it on Welcome to Hell.)

Nah, guitar amps will work for bass if you use a bass cab. The amp probably will be thin sounding, but I doubt you'd damage it. (A guitar cab would probably blow out thought). A lot of bass players run dual channel with a bass amp for bass and guitar amp for treble.

As for the original question; Try the Bass Big Muff Pi, I use mine for guitar sometimes, and it's got a pretty nice doom fuzz tone.

There are doom-oriented big muff clones too, the Earthbound Audio Effects Supercollider looks like a really good one.

I was always told that if you put too much bass into something, it blows up. I've been plugging a bass into a guitar amp for some months with the volume kept down low, it sounds alright.

Found 412 celestion speakers, would need an empty cab to put em in though. That and the SC120 should do it I think, opinions?

Got the Sound City 120, will be buying a Carvin 412 cab shortly. In the meantime, a question for any who'd know. What's the EQ like for a good funeral doom tone (Comatose Vigil, in particular)? I guess it'd generally be more distorted than fuzzed, with less reliance on bass, anything else?

For being a fan and supposed composer of such music, one would assume you would know such things. Your reliance upon a forum's opinion and/or validation of your ideas is rather sad.

I'm not relying on anyone for anything. If no one replies with anything, I'd go ahead and do what I'm saying anyway. I just want to see if anyone is more knowledgeable in these areas, as it would be nice to have a second opinion. This is a forum, where relevant opinions are supposed to be exchanged. Thank you for your off topic and unhelpful post. Your habit for making such contributions is rather sad.

I find myself quite happy with my setup, it gets a very pristine and clear doom tone. Similar to Andrew's of MDB.

Head: B-52 tri-mode rectifier
Cab:B-52 4x12 (It's shitty, and I plan on replacing it)

Guitar:Gibson SG (with dirty fingers pickup in the bridge)
Effects: Electro harmonix Reverb, DD7 Boss delay

In terms of EQ I have everything set to 5.

let's say I want warmer tone like (Descending by saturnus),any recommendation?

Doom is all about really, REALLY shitty bass on your guitar. Take your mids to 6 or 7, but treble at 3-4, and max the bass. Also drop your distortion a bit, if you're using an OD pedal. Too much dist isn't very doomy imo.