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Lord_Of_Diamonds
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:04 pm 
 

So, I’m trying to find some answers about “Lord” Marco Pitruzella’s drum recording techniques.

In case you’re not familiar with them, he claims to be able to record an acoustic kick or snare, at very high tempos, with loud dynamics and without using triggers. (This isn’t a rant for or against drum triggers, just so you know.) You can hear some of these drum recordings on Six Feet Under’s “Torment” and the new Rings of Saturn album.

Pitruzella’s double kicks are indeed very fast, played at tempos that require heel-toe or a similar technique to play. Whereas this would normally sound like a bunch of “pats” or rumbles when mic’ed 100% acoustic, Pitruzella’s supposedly “all-acoustic” recordings have the unmistakable sound of triggering.

What I want to know is how he created such a sound with nothing but microphones, if he even did at all. As you probably know, compressors and other dynamics processing tools can’t get you that sound. A compressor can only enhance dynamics. It can’t add dynamics that aren’t there. Even if you do manage to get the volume of a soft hit versus a low hit to be somewhat equal by using multiband, transient shaping, or whatever, you’ll get an annoying clicky sound that doesn’t even sound like a kick. I know; I’ve tried. Plus, it’ll still be easy to tell a soft hit from a low hit even with the click sound.

If anybody knows how the hell “Lord Marco” gets his “acoustic” drum sound, then please enlighten me. Personally, I think he’s lying about his recording techniques to make his already impressive speed seem even more impressive to everybody who’s never recorded acoustic drums. I’m not trying to start a fight here; I just want answers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:24 pm 
 

He's absolutely full of shit. I listened to exactly 10 seconds of a recent Rings of Saturn video and I can hear it immediately. Guaranteed they are edited to the grid and sample replaced/augmented. He might not use "triggers" in the strict sense of the word, but it's the same result. It's too clean and punchy and consistent to be a 100% analog performance.

As a related aside, Rings of Saturn were recently outed for miming their lead guitars to pre-programmed midi tracks at their live shows. Yes, not only is their live performance mimed, but it's not even being mimed to a REAL guitar recording.

Start at 15:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYFnQm_ ... ploademail

Honestly I don't really give a shit about what people do in order to write and record their music. It's your art, your vision and you do what you gotta do to get things out of your head and into the world. But Marco is clearly a lying liar who is lying.
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Lord_Of_Diamonds
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:10 am 
 

Element_man wrote:
He's absolutely full of shit. I listened to exactly 10 seconds of a recent Rings of Saturn video and I can hear it immediately. Guaranteed they are edited to the grid and sample replaced/augmented. He might not use "triggers" in the strict sense of the word, but it's the same result. It's too clean and punchy and consistent to be a 100% analog performance.

As a related aside, Rings of Saturn were recently outed for miming their lead guitars to pre-programmed midi tracks at their live shows. Yes, not only is their live performance mimed, but it's not even being mimed to a REAL guitar recording.

Start at 15:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYFnQm_ ... ploademail

Honestly I don't really give a shit about what people do in order to write and record their music. It's your art, your vision and you do what you gotta do to get things out of your head and into the world. But Marco is clearly a lying liar who is lying.


I don't think that Marco time-corrects any of his playthrough videos (you can hear human timing in them), but I do not believe for a second that his performances are 100% acoustic. Probably Mark Lewis did something while he was producing the drums for the new RoS album. He's the same guy who transparently edited the crap out of Paul Mazurkiewicz's drums for Cannibal Corpse's "a skeletal domain".

Thanks for posting that video link, too. I watched the whole thing and found it very informative.
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