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herra_af_lik
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:27 pm 
 

helvede wrote:
herra_af_lik wrote:
So this is just a random inquiry about Iwrestledabearonce. How will they be judge having their music direction now focusing in Black Metal. Link Provided.


http://www.bravewords.com/news/162126


Seems like a pointless discussion considering they have not released a black metal album yet.
You want us to have an opinion about a band based on a rumour?


Yea that is true. :durr: I was just wondering.

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SeiferVamp
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:25 am 
 

yeh my review got approved two days ago, and when i reread i did the big mistake of changing some spelling mistakes that the last guy didnt notice and resend it for approval,
so when i put it back again some guy named Macmoney (and i hope he sees this) rejects it and says
"Less whining about other genres of metal and their listeners, more musical description."
iv read reviews that completely fucking insults an entire slew of genres and fans while all i did was slightly satire it and there was completely NO whining in it...can someone else besides MacMoney read it, he is really getting on my nerves.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:58 am 
 

SeiferVamp wrote:
yeh my review got approved two days ago, and when i reread i did the big mistake of changing some spelling mistakes that the last guy didnt notice and resend it for approval,
so when i put it back again some guy named Macmoney (and i hope he sees this) rejects it and says
"Less whining about other genres of metal and their listeners, more musical description."
iv read reviews that completely fucking insults an entire slew of genres and fans while all i did was slightly satire it and there was completely NO whining in it...can someone else besides MacMoney read it, he is really getting on my nerves.

Wrong thread.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7444
or
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16487

Also don't forget to post the review in question.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:34 am 
 

The band The Forrest Gump Mile High Marathon got rejected on behalf of the music being more "-core" than "slam death"... well, I've been in touch with the band and they say their new material incorporates more metallic influences than their previous.

Of course, I have examples:
01 Born With Big Gums
02 You Got Shot.mp3
03 That's My Boat.mp3

Any better?

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Derigin
The Mountain Man

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:03 pm 
 

Alhadis wrote:
The band The Forrest Gump Mile High Marathon got rejected on behalf of the music being more "-core" than "slam death"... well, I've been in touch with the band and they say their new material incorporates more metallic influences than their previous.

Of course, I have examples:
01 Born With Big Gums
02 You Got Shot.mp3
03 That's My Boat.mp3

Any better?

I am sorry Alhadis, but that still reeks and permeates of -core. They may have more metallic influences, but they certainly are not predominantly metal.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:38 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
I am sorry Alhadis, but that still reeks and permeates of -core. They may have more metallic influences, but they certainly are not predominantly metal.

This is where I get confused. :S You mean to tell me this is more hardcore than metal?

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:09 pm 
 

Yes.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:16 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Yes.

*sighs* Very well... I'll delete my band draft then... :\

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The First Time I Died
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:16 am 
 

Why was Tool blacklisted? They are most definately a Metal band...

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:21 am 
 

No, they most definitely are not.

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The First Time I Died
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:31 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
No, they most definitely are not.

Proof? They are Progressive Metal and Alternative Metal.

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The_Beast_in_Black
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:17 am 
 

Progressive and alternative rock. Not considered metal enough by MA.
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herra_af_lik
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:07 pm 
 

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
Progressive and alternative rock. Not considered metal enough by MA.


I agree with this. Though I wouldn't call them alternative. Progressive they definitely are, but I would say they have a touch of Industrialism to them.

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Thashierthanthou
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:32 pm 
 

I attempted to submit the band Course of Ruin, but they are black listed. I am curious why. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJfeo2_eE0
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:57 pm 
 

It is more -core than metal; I can see why it is blacklisted. It will remain as such.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:52 am 
 

herra_af_lik wrote:
The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
Progressive and alternative rock. Not considered metal enough by MA.

I agree with this. Though I wouldn't call them alternative. Progressive they definitely are, but I would say they have a touch of Industrialism to them.

Tool are one of my brother's favourite bands, and he acknowledges them to be Progressive Hard Rock. He knows they're not a metal band.

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ShadowDuet
Mallcore Kid

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:44 am 
 

Why Passenger (Anders Friden and Niklas Engelin 's side project) is blacklisted ??? It's an In Flames side project!

And why Dir en grey are blacklisted too??

Can you make public the list of black-listed bands??

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:26 am 
 

1. It's not a side-project.
2. It's not a side-project.
3. No.

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BloodSacrificeShaman
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:40 am 
 

I dunno where to really ask this question, but I've seen it both asked and answered in this thread in the past, so here goes.

Would the band, Sawlegen, be considered metal-enough to be put on here? As far as I know, they only released one album back in 2006. I'll post a link or two below for a moderator to access and make a judgement on it. I would submit it myself, but I'd rather someone who knew what they're doing do that, lest I mess up somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIYChvCi6Yw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TfihbCELZs
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Helvede
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:29 am 
 

BloodSacrificeShaman wrote:
I dunno where to really ask this question, but I've seen it both asked and answered in this thread in the past, so here goes.

Would the band, Sawlegen, be considered metal-enough to be put on here? As far as I know, they only released one album back in 2006. I'll post a link or two below for a moderator to access and make a judgement on it. I would submit it myself, but I'd rather someone who knew what they're doing do that, lest I mess up somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIYChvCi6Yw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TfihbCELZs


Music-wise it's definitely acceptable, but I sense another problem that unfortunately has come up quite a few times with bands from that area (North African- and to some degree Middle Eastern-countries), that the bands don't put out 'valid' releases - valid in the context of Metal Archives - and by that I mean no physical discography (cd, tape, vinyl, VHS!!! etc.). But if this band has a valid discography (prove it), go ahead and add the band.

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thrashy
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:23 pm 
 

one of the operators/moderators here said once that Scale The Summit arent metal and they dont belong here. not metal? according to who? what makes them not metal? I'd like to read the arguments, if someone can come up with any. if Scale The Summit arent metal then Cynic, Canvas Solaris and Dream Theater arent metal either. please advise.

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:11 pm 
 

thrashy wrote:
one of the operators/moderators here said once that Scale The Summit arent metal and they dont belong here. not metal? according to who? what makes them not metal? I'd like to read the arguments, if someone can come up with any. if Scale The Summit arent metal then Cynic, Canvas Solaris and Dream Theater arent metal either. please advise.


Scale the Summit are really on the border between progressive rock and metal, but the metal elements aren't always there, I would say less than half the songs on each of their three albums have a significant amount of metal riffing. They share many of the progressive elements of Dream Theater's music, but they don't have any of the metal riffs like Dream Theater have - the prog is still there, but not so much the metal like the trem-picking of Afterlife, the chugging verse in Under a Glass Moon, and the distorted, downtuned, syncopated, percussive riffing in The Mirror.

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:26 pm 
 

I'd like a judgment/second opinion on this band, I'm not quite sure where to set the bar for being "metal enough" so I'd rather ask before putting together a detailed submission.

http://www.myspace.com/punishment
Punishment are to some extent a hardcore band, but on the "Broken But Not Dead" album there is quite a bit of thrash riffing, Slayer-worship riffs, and of course breakdowns/chugging/shouting. "Sent Into Overdrive" is really thrashy, the other five songs off the album on their MySpace represent the majority of the album - Raining Blood breakdown-wannabe riffs and chugging.

More metal than Madball, Sick of it All, and other similar bands not on the archives, less metal/thrashy than Leeway and Cro-Mags, so I defer to the management on this one.

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Thashierthanthou
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 12:35 pm 
 

Before I even bother submitting, since I'm, sure somebody has in the past, would the Ian Gillan band be considered a side project of Ian Gillan? And if so be allowed to be on the archives?
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comandante4
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:12 am 
 

I just added 2 songs on vkontakte page http://vkontakte.ru/id7141027#/club3483601,
sorry - I forget to do it before sending all information about band

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:16 pm 
 

Revolvist wrote:
Hello,

I see I'm not the first one wanting to submit Petrychor: the first rejection was valid, his debut EP didn't have a physical release, the second rejection was for lack of proof. But I think my submission was valid. The sound is metal enough, without a doubt, you can check that on petrychor.bandcamp.com. A physical release is not available at this very moment but will be available soon, as he states on Bandcamp and in a mail sent out to everyone who downloaded his debut EP. The rule was that upcoming physical releases are accepted as long as the track listing is available, right?

Joris


Upcoming releases with complete and "set in stone" information may be accepted for bands with a preexisting page on the Archive. Under no circumstances, however, can a band be admitted to the Archive on the basis of a forthcoming release, even if it supposedly comes out tomorrow (in fact, even if its physical iteration was "leaked" to the market ahead of the official release schedule by third party distros, or whathaveyou); releases only qualify as viable admission tickets after actually having hit the (material) market. There are a number of reasons for this, but the most straightforward of them is that following a "good faith" policy on this particular matter simply creates far too large and far too easily exploited a loophole in the site's wall of fundamental criteria for acceptance.
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Hircine
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:01 pm 
 

Have All Pigs Must Die been submitted? They sound pretty Trap Them-ish to me, who are already on the archives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZlS1c2sYc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUSyU5SryGU&feature=related
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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:34 pm 
 

Antitox (Germany) as been deleted.
Punkrock band (http://www.myspace.com/antitox)

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:54 am 
 

SharpAndSlender wrote:
Is there a particular reason the Russian metalcore band Kiborg was deleted? I think they're certainly on the metal side of the genre and would gladly upload a recent album of theirs to demonstrate.

They have at least one metal release - split with Svartskog, from what I could find it's the same Kiborg that plays metalcore now, so I've accepted it, someone can add the remaining releases:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kiborg/3540328944

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rosstopher
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:41 pm 
 

I searched for Chelsea Grin and when they weren't on here I tried to add them. However, it says that Chelsea Grin has been black listed. I'm entirely new to this, but I read the rules and don't really understand what it means for a band to be black listed. From reading this thread, I would assume it was because at the time of entry they didn't have much of a discography, but they are releasing their second studio album in a few months. The only other thing I could think of is that their label isn't very large, but I Declare War is in the archives and is on the same label (Artery Recordings). Any reason the black list on them can't be removed?

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:05 am 
 

rosstopher wrote:
I searched for Chelsea Grin and when they weren't on here I tried to add them. However, it says that Chelsea Grin has been black listed. I'm entirely new to this, but I read the rules and don't really understand what it means for a band to be black listed. From reading this thread, I would assume it was because at the time of entry they didn't have much of a discography, but they are releasing their second studio album in a few months. The only other thing I could think of is that their label isn't very large, but I Declare War is in the archives and is on the same label (Artery Recordings). Any reason the black list on them can't be removed?


One of those bands that has previously been considered more -core than metal - based on both albums you mentioned. I never heard them, but my co-mods did apparently.

Search this forum and you will find it mentioned. Like here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56255&p=1345243&hilit=Chelsea+Grin#p1345243

This might be the answer to you.

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RedAnkh
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:04 pm 
 

If DevilDriver is on M-A, Soulfly deserves to be on it too. They play thrash/groove now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQMX-NQcbmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz5osaE7Oq0

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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:25 pm 
 

As the Sky Darkens rejected for lack of evidence for a physical release. BEHOLD!!! (crap pics, but hope it's good enough :))



http://tinypic.com/r/ffa1wj/7
http://tinypic.com/r/2q0sys9/7
http://tinypic.com/r/11qprhf/7
http://tinypic.com/r/ets3ll/7
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:16 am 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
As the Sky Darkens rejected for lack of evidence for a physical release. BEHOLD!!! (crap pics, but hope it's good enough :))



http://tinypic.com/r/ffa1wj/7
http://tinypic.com/r/2q0sys9/7
http://tinypic.com/r/11qprhf/7
http://tinypic.com/r/ets3ll/7


You can resubmit with the pics.

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Third_of_the_Storms
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:50 am 
 

Two songs from the new Tony MacAlpine album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dzfcRCxlWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7srW7gsIpw

I hear plenty of riffs in there, perhaps it's time to reconsider listing him in the archives?

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:24 pm 
 

Let's wait and see how the album will turn out. Indeed, those two songs aren't less acceptable than some prog metal/rock stuff in the archives.

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rosstopher
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:24 pm 
 

helvede wrote:

One of those bands that has previously been considered more -core than metal - based on both albums you mentioned. I never heard them, but my co-mods did apparently.

Search this forum and you will find it mentioned. Like here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56255&p=1345243&hilit=Chelsea+Grin#p1345243

This might be the answer to you.


I'm not really sure what being more -core than metal means, but considering Whitechapel, Job for a Cowboy, Molotov Solution, and The Black Dahlia Murder could almost be mistaken for Chelsea Grin at most times, I don't see why they can't be added. This is their new single, and I think it is definitely metal, and they deserve to be archived: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3gth6WKyA

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:46 am 
 

That's definitely more -core than metal. Sorry it's not acceptable.

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Tonatiuth
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:48 am 
 

rosstopher wrote:

I'm not really sure what being more -core than metal means, but considering Whitechapel, Job for a Cowboy, Molotov Solution, and The Black Dahlia Murder could almost be mistaken for Chelsea Grin at most times, I don't see why they can't be added. This is their new single, and I think it is definitely metal, and they deserve to be archived: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3gth6WKyA


Mmm deathcore that's sure.. but metal... not at all
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rosstopher
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:25 am 
 

Tonatiuth wrote:

Mmm deathcore that's sure.. but metal... not at all


I'm not entirely sure how something can be deathcore and not metal. Deathcore is a subgenre, and therefore if it is deathcore, it by definition must also be metal.

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