The fact that users don't see any covers on this site combined with the fact that a lot of covers don't show up on the Internet doesn't mean those covers don't exist!
When a band is added to the archives the proof has been shown to the Mods although that proof doesn't appear on the site per se!
So my dear Deadhead: don't try to go there that the proof of a lot of covers doesn't exist because a search on the internet doesn't come up with it! The mods have been given that proof and that is enough!

Hi guys , I am just enquiring the rejection of my band Doomchild .
The reason given was that I only submitted proof of release as MP3 down load
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/doomchild

All physical CDs are available only through the band and at gigs or via contact through our
facebook or much lesser used Myspace page.

It was done as digital download only as it was the most practical and cost effective way of
getting the music out. Especially if it is wanted outside the UK.

I have attached a photo of some of the physical CD`s that we distribute via the above methods.
I hope this is enough info , if not please feel free to drop me a line.
Cheers
Kev

@reknoc: Alrighty, resubmit.

Azmodes thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion, I have resubmitted .

Again thanks for your help \M/

You can just set the status of your draft from "rejected" to "pending" in this case and I'll approve it.

You have to give us a break. Some of us are in mid-term and/or finals time and have pretty little free time. Others are busy with work and/or their lives. Bands get checked pretty often in my opinion, but some bands are hard to judge due to genres being between metal and whatever other non-metal genre they mix. Those bands often lead to a debate among mods. So, sometimes it is not as easy as just having proof.

Concerning this: "maybe you can first evaluate bands of users who have contributing with this site rather than the new users." We would have to click on each user who submitted a band as we can't just see which users are more active by just seeing their usernames. It would be a pain...

Hey, necrobutcher08! How would you like to sift through 900+ reports with maybe half of them with any real source and the other half either barely comprehensible or constituting unfounded claims we have to painfully source or are impossible to prove without further inquiry (which is in most cases futile anyway)? Or tackle a band queue with an effective approval ratio of maybe 10% because people seem to be unable to grasp the difference between a band's physical existence and same band having a physical release, or them failing to realize that a simple image of the front cover doesn't prove a thing, or them neglecting to read the rules in the first place, etc...? That's not accounting for borderline headscratchers on the -core/post-rock/shoegaze/stoner rock/noise frontiers or people repeatedly trolling the place with submissions of Nirvana or made up joke bands.
Seriously, it's not like we have an ad on www.richsociopathswithinternetaddiction ... alcred.com, providing us with constantly dilligent moderation machines. People here have indeed lives and sometimes (now there's a magic word) these lives take precedence (as they should). As Dexter said, this time of the year is a factor too. I'm a bit swamped myself, though I'm still trying to contribute when I have the time. Things should ease up a bit for me at the end of the month.

I'm trying to put this as politely as I can, but seeing as your own submissions are not always the cream of the crop, you really have no business complaining or calling mods incompetent.

Yeah, I tried adding the band Shining (Norway) and it says that they are blacklisted... why? There are tons of physical proof that they exist. I don't get it.

Here is a link to their official music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qslyq8CcXu0

They have a facebook/myspace/twitter page. Their label is "Indie Recordings".

Mr.Azomodes i would replied to what you just tried to justify but since you are moderator i chose not to.
This is because you may suggest the site owners or other mods to ban me or something..

^^

So basically you're telling him to stuff it, without using those words? In my opinion, that is the same thing.

So you have something to say but you're too much of a chickenshit to actually say it? Grow a set of nuts. I went back and read your posts and frankly it's pretty disgusting you call the mods "incompetent." Anything and everything from the reports to the review queue to the band queue is always growing, and expecting us to halt our personal lives at any given moment just for our special little necrobutcher08 is fucking retarded. Believe it or not, you aren't the only person submitting bands, reviews, reports, whatever. So be patient, or shut the fuck up.

I was reminded of these guys earlier today and possibly wanted to get some more opinions on them (were rejected awhile back and I wasn't entirely sure why)

The band is Ashlar from Belgium. Their first album is pretty typical metalcore that wouldn't belong here, but their second release seems much more metal oriented and definitely sounds a hell of a lot heavier.

For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB8-l9n-d8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogn9GUWbxjA

They're not metal.


What can I say, your clever passive-aggressiveness has moved me. Clearly you have the argumentative high ground in this discussion.

You could have just written "Suck it.", though. Would have amounted to the same thing.

Tombs is on the blacklist. They used to play post rock but now they are much more metal oriented and sounds like post-black metal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXhLPqnBRmw
http://www.myspace.com/TombsBklyn

New review
http://www.extremeresponses.com/2011/06 ... lapse.html

That was already questioned here... look:

If I submitted this band would you accept it ?

http://soundcloud.com/orbis

It has physical releases but I'm talking about the sound if it's metal enough

They were brought up before and judged much more ambient than metal.

necrobutcher08, how about it if you could say everything you wish, and I personally guaranteed that you won't get banned for it? You know, to let out some righteous steam? I'll remove the post if I feel it's completely out of line, but it would not compromise your position as a contributing member of the site? How about it?

I don't like the idea of stacks of built-up anger and supressed words meant for improving our performance. Fire away, pal! You have my word!

Thank You Napero for the opportunity to speak.

My point is if some/any moderator are too busy with there life then why have they taken up the job of moderating??
If they can't balance it out then better not be a moderator.
I have seen over the years some moderators name are just listed here for fun.
They have been inactive for age's. So, i think some of the moderators who are having a hard time balancing between life and metal-archives should quite voluntarily.
That's all.
i have nothing more to say.

I've updated the rejection note a bit so that hopefully clarifies the reason if people continue to add the band.

Your points are not really worth much discussion, but here it goes anyway.

We are all volunteers, and none of us get paid for this. It is a HOBBY for everyone involved, and my personal net income from the position essentially boils down to about 8 demos I've received since 2006 because someone thought that I should get a copy. We are NOT working here as paid employees, and since none of the users pay anything for the services, either, excluding those who have voluntarily donated something in the past, no one except the owners can blame anyone for inactivity and/or laziness. They call the shots here, and the whole database exists solely because of them.

I agree that someone with no interest whatsoever in maintaining and working on the database and the board should not have a position as a moderator here, but that does not mean that we should have work quotas and strict punchcard systems in place. On the contrary. Considering the amount of whining and exhaustingly horrible crap in ALL of the three queues, I'd say that the moderators should only work on them when they feel like it and enjoy it. Otherwise we will lose good people to exhaustion and burnout. A moderator here can be a valuable workhorse, but a fellow who works less but with good judgement and will to tackle the more complicated cases can be a very important contributor, too.

Another issue is the existence of a real life, which would not be bad idea for you, either. People have busy times in their lives, especially studies, more loaded periods at their jobs, and family issues, which I can guarantee are not just about a baby refusing to sleep, grumpy wives or parents confiscating the computer. Passive periods up to a year are quite understandable as people tackle their personal issues and get their crap in order, and you are definitely not in a position to complain about that. And neither am I. People are just human beings, and unless the MA starts paying the moderators enough for them to abandon the rest of their lives, we can't, and won't, expect more than what the volunteers are willing to put in.

Also, if you've paid attention to the list of moderators on the database for longer than a year, you've noticed that the team is not static. People come and go, and several people I still respect immensely have let go of the position voluntarily. A few have essentially been fired, and every now and then the inactive people are contacted and asked about their commitment to the site. Usually that leads to voluntary resignation or temporary reactivation of the mod. In any case, those are personnel and especially personal issues, and we will not reveal any confidential or personal details about those disussions to the public. Rest assured that the coming and going of staff members is a constant process.

What's more, you can't see everything that takes place. For example, there's no way you as a normal user can know whether or not a mod has been working on the reviews queue, and saying that a moderator is not doing his share is not something you should do.

A simple increase in the numbers of the mods is not a solution. Unless the candidates are thoroughly vetted, we will get more of those passive non-contributors, and that will not help the case at all. It will get worse. In the characteristics of a good mod, a suitable character, history of database use, and good judgement are all important, and in all respects more important than a simplistic point total or visibility on the board. A stupid and lazy person is not a problem, but a stupid and hard-working definitely is. If you get what I mean.

And finally, to bastardize a Finnish saying, the dog that gets hit by the stone is the one letting out the yelp. I have personally been "lazy" for the past five months due to workload at the office and several personal excuses. There is variance in everybody's contributions, and I can honestly say that July is not the best possible month to complain about our reaction times, since we have a whopping two (2!) moderators on the southern hemisphere at the moment. Go out, see the Sun, and relax, dude. I'm sure your bands will get processed before your grandkids turn 40.

Wow, Napero. Seems like you wrote a thesis. lol.
Anyways i said i won't continue this discussion anymore as it is not worth it.
Thank you for the detailed inside story.

Hey guys, I have submitted for approval Lesbian Rainbows. I understand they have lots of cross influenceslike sludge or even hardcore but their basis is clearly a Metal one. Here is a videoclip for you guys to take a listen:
http://youtu.be/OiN2Co416mg

Erm, I'm confused... Is there something I'm missing about July being a busy time of the year...? (And what do hemispheres have to do with it?)

Questions aside, I'd love the opportunity to help curb the tide of reports, but I'm not gonna lay on the "start sucking up and hope for an audition" semantic. But still, the amount of bands you guys must sift through is ridiculous. :\

July is the summer vacation month on the northern hemisphere, virtually everybody is away.

In the south, it's like a shitty version of a real January. Those guys have time for this crap.

Beyond(germany) is blacklisted
Why?

Ambient/drone.

Ah, ok
Cause Beyond is also a old school death metal band from germany

Well, if it's another band with the same name and location, do you have proof of metalness (samples) and physical release (photo, review, some mention of it anywhere, etc...)? I can temporarily take the band off the blacklist so you can submit them with that info.

Of course;)
sample on the left side: http://beyonddeathmetal.blogspot.com/
a review: (a click on updated->relentless abomination vortex review): http://www.voicesfromthedarkside.de/

label is detest records from belgium (stench of decay, krypts etc.)

It's metal alright, but on the label page it reads "BEYOND first demo tape [..] will be released soon." (from July 6th) and the demo is currently not listed in their release section. So it seems as if it isn't out just yet. Or do you in fact own the tape?

Our guitarist own the tape and jerry says the tape was sent to mailorders already.
official release was tuesday.

Okay, submit away.

thank you

I wouldn't call it the basis. There's an influence and elements, but the song is driven by a rock/punk aesthetic with some experimentation going on. It's also so far their only material released on a physical medium, so for now that's a pretty clear case for me.

Regarding the rejection of the band DROME. I already resubmited the project with an additional link, like it was requested, with an audio sample of the track proving it's Doom and Black Metal fusion.

PS: Like I mentioned before, DROME has a split with the band V-KAOS (already on MA), named Mould 2011. I already added the split on the V-KAOS part. Could you make the association, if the band passes ? Thank you.

But where was samples of Drome? They have really borderline genre so I need to listen them.
I found only V-KAOS tracks...

I already sent a link (rapidshare) in the additional notes of the re-submission. Can you access it ? or you need me to send you the link by PM.

I already sent a link (rapidshare) in the additional notes of the re-submission. Can you access it ? or you need me to send you the link by PM.

I was wondering why exactly the band Shot At Dawn (Norway) was rejected. Is it the fact that they don't have a physical release as of now?