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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:22 pm 
 

cranialcrusherabc: I get what you mean, sorry for my (knee-)jerk-y reaction. I believe what Opsius originally meant, conveying another staffer's old blacklisting, was simply that the band was along the lines of the old, prima facie awkward, yet around these parts seemingly ineluctable phrase "not metal enough". At the very least, categorically denying those bands "on the wrong side" any possible whiff of metal at any point in time was probably far from his mind.

As to Shadechaser and other unanswered queries, I'll properly catch up with MA stuff and get to them when I can (probably tomorrow when I'm back in Graz again). I can understand the frustration when mods respond to certain posts and apparently ignore yours, though that shouldn't be taken as acts of spite or inattention (though the latter can obviously happen), just that we only answer what we feel we can meaningfully and properly address (and that also covers instances of bands that seem like a headache to judge). We don't immediately have all the facts for all inquiries available, so responses don't always respect the chronological order of posts. Did I also mention that this is a hobby for all of us, dedicated though as it may be? :P
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:17 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
cranialcrusherabc: I get what you mean, sorry for my (knee-)jerk-y reaction. I believe what Opsius originally meant, conveying another staffer's old blacklisting, was simply that the band was along the lines of the old, prima facie awkward, yet around these parts seemingly ineluctable phrase "not metal enough". At the very least, categorically denying those bands "on the wrong side" any possible whiff of metal at any point in time was probably far from his mind.

I understand that a band being "metal enough" is subjective/relative and wether I agree with you or not is another question, but I did get what he meant. I just didn't get why you reacted the way you did. Apologies accepted, bro!

Anyways and going back once again to the main topic, please, take a listen to Tumbero's latest releases and reconsider it. :)
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ThaRKiuS
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:10 pm 
 

Shouldn't Annorkoth be accepted now that there are physical releases?

Some links as proof:
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... -last-days
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/cd ... -last-days

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:32 pm 
 

It was blacklisted for not being metal, not for release issues.
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Shadechaser
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:16 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Did I also mention that this is a hobby for all of us, dedicated though as it may be? :P

Nope, I'm sure for 200% that's your main paid job and you have to and should and must!!
Just kidding, cheers and Merry Christmas!
And sorry for unwanted flood :wink:

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theworld
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:30 am 
 

I was wondering if there was any update for Zombie Eating Horse being reevaluated?? provided is a link to our bandcamp site with a few releases as well as a our big cartel where physical copies can be purchased

https://zombieeatinghorse.bandcamp.com/ ... -follow-me
http//zombieeatinghorse.bigcartel.com

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:26 am 
 

Shadechaser wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
Did I also mention that this is a hobby for all of us, dedicated though as it may be? :P

Nope, I'm sure for 200% that's your main paid job and you have to and should and must!!
Just kidding, cheers and Merry Christmas!
And sorry for unwanted flood :wink:


Borderline at best my friend. I listened to the whole album (it's pretty great BTW) and there's just a LOT of shoegaze/post-rock stuff in this. There's some post-metal here and there but I'm not convinced that the majority of this album is metal.

ThaRKiuS wrote:
Shouldn't Annorkoth be accepted now that there are physical releases?

Some links as proof:
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... -last-days
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/cd ... -last-days


I listened to this again and the blacklisting stays. If you strip the drums away most of this is ambient/atmospheric keyboards with little to no metal riffing at all.

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I was wondering if there was any update for Zombie Eating Horse being reevaluated?? provided is a link to our bandcamp site with a few releases as well as a our big cartel where physical copies can be purchased

https://zombieeatinghorse.bandcamp.com/ ... -follow-me
http//zombieeatinghorse.bigcartel.com


I listened to both - the 2014 record is something we wouldn't take but the new EP, is probably closer to acceptable. Tell you what, I've whitelisted the band so it can get a proper evaluation by mods. I'm not guaranteeing this will be accepted but go ahead and submit it and we'll get some more mod opinions from the queue. Be sure to include both the links above. Thanks
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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:58 am 
 

natrix wrote:
The Crypt (USA) got blacklisted, I'm sure because nothing was released for a long time...it's actually my band, and I've just put out an album (2016 digital release, as well as self-released CD). I can send you a link to the soundcloud page I have for streaming the whole album:
https://soundcloud.com/user-538884723/s ... -v/s-3jvIZ I'd be honoured to have it on Metal Archives!


I don't think The Crypt on the blacklist is your band. Could be but I'm not sure. Either way, I've whitelisted it. Go ahead and submit this but also note that the link you provided here would not fly as proof of a valid release. Put this in the submission but we also need a link to show proof of distribution for that CD and/or where the album can be downloaded/purchased. Streaming only would get rejected.

cranialcrusherabc wrote:

Anyways and going back once again to the main topic, please, take a listen to Tumbero's latest releases and reconsider it. :)


I listened and I won't whitelist it on my own - the last two releases are quite punk/crust based. Yes, metallic elements in them - I hear that but I'm not sure that metal is really what dominates either of these releases. That said, one of the mods that's more of an expert at the crust-y stuff would have a better opinion than I.

https://tumbero.bandcamp.com/
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:47 am 
 

No problem, let's just wait for another mod's opinion then.
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:08 pm 
 

Re Tumbero - I think the 2015 EP is passable music wise. But I don't see physical copies for sale. Is there any? Because this is only about 14 minutes and it won't qualify for a digital release.
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:37 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
But I don't see physical copies for sale. Is there any?

Yes, there is and I've got one. I'll send you a picture asap.
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ThaRKiuS
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:08 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
It was blacklisted for not being metal, not for release issues.


Shouldn't that be reconsidered? I mean what is it exactly that makes this (https://dir666.bandcamp.com/album/the-last-days) non-metal?
It's not much different from what the guy did in Skyforest.

Off-topic: The URL button of the editor is kinda silly.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:36 pm 
 

Blacklisted for being primarily ambient.
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:52 pm 
 

cranialcrusherabc wrote:
Erosion of Humanity wrote:
But I don't see physical copies for sale. Is there any?

Yes, there is and I've got one. I'll send you a picture asap.


Pic of the CD: http://imageshack.com/a/img924/1295/IBnhB1.jpg
Pic of the band selling it (merch): http://imageshack.com/a/img922/8589/sQ9MXq.jpg
Pic of the band selling it 2 (merch): http://imageshack.com/a/img924/1203/fDQDGt.jpg
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:55 pm 
 

Whitelisted. Resubmit with all that stuff and obviously links to the music. Just cause I said here that I think that EP is ok doesn't mean we don't need to evaluate it still.
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:59 pm 
 

Alright, no problem. What would the genre be?
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:00 pm 
 

Grindcore.
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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:01 pm 
 

Thanks! Resubmitting.
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UnholyCrusada
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:18 pm 
 

Was Equipoise from the US blacklisted based on the musical aspects? Or because their release was digital only and less than 20 minutes? If it's the latter, they've now released a limited physical run of that EP.

https://www.facebook.com/PoiseOfficial/ ... 6964493616

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PDS
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:33 pm 
 

Was blacklisted cuz of the later. That and users constantly submitting because of it. Whitelisted.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:01 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
As to Shadechaser and other unanswered queries, I'll properly catch up with MA stuff and get to them when I can (probably tomorrow when I'm back in Graz again).

k, I was stuck in traffic for 2 hours yesterday, so didn't exactly feel like doing MA work when I finally got home. It seems my fellow mods have been most diligent, though. :)

Shadechaser, regarding Raspail, I listened to it again and the original rationale behind the blacklisting stands.
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Blasherke
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:15 am 
 

Hi guys,

Since I didn't find a post about it, why is Lumnos (BRAZIL) on the blacklist? Further, is there a link to this list, so it can be checked?

Greetings,

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:47 am 
 

It was blacklisted in 2015 for being ambient. If there have been any new releases since then you think invalidate this assessment, please provide links.

The blacklist is not public in the sense that it can be viewed as a whole. That is not necessary for it to function and it would only result in more complaints anyway. It is a tool to save time for mods as well as users and improve consistency, not a list per se of banned bands to marvel at or anything like that. You can however easily check whether a band is on it or not by trying to submit it. An orange warning box will appear if a band with that name and country has been blacklisted.
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perzine
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:38 am 
 

Can Hadal (Melbourne) be whitelisted on the basis of the latest album...

https://hadalsounds.bandcamp.com/album/turpid

...and their side of the split with Expurgatory...

https://hadalsounds.bandcamp.com/track/kaviar

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:44 am 
 

Sounds like drone/industrial, not metal.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:19 am 
 

Submitted Hivemind from Arizona. Rejection note states not metal. Sounds invokes Beyond Creation in their rhythm, with dashes of deathcore. Link
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Azmodes
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Nah, djent/-core.
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Shadechaser
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:11 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Shadechaser, regarding Raspail, I listened to it again and the original rationale behind the blacklisting stands.

Ok, got it! :nods:

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Siddhi
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The band that I submitted for the site was not accepted because "this band is not metal", but I'm sure that this band is 100% metal. You guys can take your own conclusions after listening the band's EP.
I'm not sure if the band was rejected because of the length of the EP, but this band is 100% metal, for sure.
http://mortifera.bandcamp.com/

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Zodijackyl
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Siddhi wrote:
The band that I submitted for the site was not accepted because "this band is not metal", but I'm sure that this band is 100% metal. You guys can take your own conclusions after listening the band's EP.
I'm not sure if the band was rejected because of the length of the EP, but this band is 100% metal, for sure.
http://mortifera.bandcamp.com/

Youtube: show


This is blacklisted because there is only a short, digital-only release and it was submitted several times.
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Antioch
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Last bump... Ales Brichta Project
Assuming the band was blacklisted based on the debut, I think their sophomore (2015) should call for a re-assessment.
Previously called http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/ABBand/99041

Listed below is the entire thing:

Groove/Heavy Metal/Hard Rock - quite insipid tbh but there's enough metal in there
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:14 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:

The blacklist is not public in the sense that it can be viewed as a whole. That is not necessary for it to function and it would only result in more complaints anyway. It is a tool to save time for mods as well as users and improve consistency, not a list per se of banned bands to marvel at or anything like that.


Makes sense, thanks for clearing that out!

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herra_af_lik
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:06 pm 
 

Just wondering if the band Mad Trapper (From Toronto, Canada) was a part of this database at one point? I remember looking them up here but it seems like they weren't Blacklisted.

https://www.facebook.com/madtrapperthrash/

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Nikolas Chris
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:09 pm 
 

The band Orthros (Brazil) change their style into a Viking/Melodic Death Metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbskMceIIs&sns=fb

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Erosion of Humanity
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Nikolas Chris wrote:
The band Orthros (Brazil) change their style into a Viking/Melodic Death Metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbskMceIIs&sns=fb


Wrong thread. Please post stuff like that here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=35533
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I'm assuming Cavernlight from Wisconsin, US got blacklisted for being mostly ambient, noise, and post-rock instead of a majority post-metal/sludge. I honestly agree with that ruling; the major emphasis on atmosphere is blatant. I just wanted to verify that was the decision rather than any other possible reason of which I might argue.

They are working on their second record, however, and if its majority is metal you can bet your whole raw-BM tape collection that I'll challenge their blacklisting in a heartbeat. Anyways, keep up the amazingly diligent work.
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theunrelentingattack wrote:
dawn_of_eternity wrote:
Why is Missing in Action from Israel banned?
There are plenty of Metalcore bands in the archives


There's no blacklist note, so it's an old one. Provide links to a metal record and we'll listen. Of course there are metalcore bands in the archives and they are more metal than -core. There's tons that aren't because they are more -core than metal. Pretty easy to understand.


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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:15 am 
 

herra_af_lik wrote:
Just wondering if the band Mad Trapper (From Toronto, Canada) was a part of this database at one point? I remember looking them up here but it seems like they weren't Blacklisted.

https://www.facebook.com/madtrapperthrash/

Indeed no blacklist entry, forum search turns up no mention of them. I can't say for sure if they were ever listed, but nothing is stopping you from submitting them if they qualify.

CosmicDruid wrote:
I'm assuming Cavernlight from Wisconsin, US got blacklisted for being mostly ambient, noise, and post-rock instead of a majority post-metal/sludge. I honestly agree with that ruling; the major emphasis on atmosphere is blatant. I just wanted to verify that was the decision rather than any other possible reason of which I might argue.

They are working on their second record, however, and if its majority is metal you can bet your whole raw-BM tape collection that I'll challenge their blacklisting in a heartbeat. Anyways, keep up the amazingly diligent work.

Thanks. Yes, blacklist says more ambient/drone than metal.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwUKgYUZUOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMOgxiso5TY

Whitelisted, this deserves another look at least. I have little respect for blacklist entries without any reason attached.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:00 am 
 

Was wondering why Body Void is blacklisted?
https://bodyvoid.bandcamp.com/
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DoomGuild wrote:
Was wondering why Body Void is blacklisted?
https://bodyvoid.bandcamp.com/

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