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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:37 pm 
 

Does anyone own the No Colours pressing of this album? I've recently purchased a copy, but with all the bootlegs of out of print stuff that is rife at the moment, and the fact it's in near flawless condtion - I'm questioning its authenticity. Everything looks legit with regards to the matrix code, but from what I've read on Discogs & Musik Sammler, there's meant to be an IFPI code, and there isn't one on this copy which I've received. I've taken a pic of the matrix (click for larger size) - anyone have any ideas as to whether this is an original or an elaborate boot?

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slayerhatesusall
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:53 pm 
 

Yours looks like a well done bootleg, the matrix is the same as my original, although the text is a little smaller and in a different font on yours and the spacing of the letters and numbers on yours is too far apart compared to the original. My original does not have an IFPI code, maybe there is a 2nd press with an ifpi code.

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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:33 pm 
 

The fact yours also doesn't have an ifpi obviously raises the question "how do you know yours is an original?" considering what the discog sites say. Was it bought from no colour directly? Or from another distro when it was still in print? if not, yours could just as easily be a boot as mine I guess. It is annoying as checking the matrix fonts of other earlier no colours releases from my collection doesn't really shed any further light either, as they are mostly different. It'd be good to get more feedback from others for a definitive answer...
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slayerhatesusall
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:16 pm 
 

I'm sure mine isn't a bootleg, I got it off a guy in a cd lot, bought around 300 cds from him total in different lots, all were originals, lots of first pressing rarities, all old cds which were made before 2000, there was other original no colours cds in the lots too. I bought it before the recent bootlegs came out anyway. What is the name of the seller you bought yours from?

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SangreV
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:15 am 
 

I believe mine is an authentic copy. It has the same matrix code, with an IFPI too. However, the spacing on the matrix code is slightly different and the font is definitely different too.

The font on yours looks more like Arial or something, where as mine looks a bit more old school with a pixel-ish kind of font, the kind that has zeros with slashes through them.

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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:12 am 
 

Yeah, I'm presuming this a boot now simply for the fact it doesn't have an IFPI. It was bought from a guy I've done tons of trades with in the past in Austria, and I've never had a boot from him before - thus I'm pretty sure he wasn't to know either (he's never been in the business of deceiving before). He's in for a unpleasant shock(!). Cheers folks!
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ancientorder
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:47 am 
 

Here's a scan of the original's matrix codes so you can compare properly.
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Asti78
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:26 am 
 

ancientorder wrote:
Here's a scan of the original's matrix codes so you can compare properly.


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My copy looks exactly like that, the only difference it that mine says "IFPI 2W04", this is a copy purchased directly from No Colours.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:21 pm 
 

You'll know it's a genuine No Colours release when, as soon as you get it, the German government breaks down your door and steals it from you. Or maybe they just do that with Graveland CD's.

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Asti78
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:25 pm 
 

samekh wrote:
You'll know it's a genuine No Colours release when, as soon as you get it, the German government breaks down your door and steals it from you. Or maybe they just do that with Graveland CD's.


This only applies to Graveland and Absurd releases ;-)
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slayerhatesusall
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:47 pm 
 

My copy has the exact same matrix number and design/ font as ancientorders and astis, just without the ifpi code. Im guessing since the cd was originally released in 1994 ifpi codes werent implemented on the majority of cd pressing plants initially so the ones with IFPI codes are most likely repressings.

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Asti78
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:58 pm 
 

Well the IFPI Number on my CD is hardly visible, only if you put the CD into a certain angle to the light (not as seen on the picture where the number seems to have been added later as the font of this number is absolutely uncommon).
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slayerhatesusall
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:38 pm 
 

I looked at mine under a bright light at many different angles for about 10 mins and couldn't see an IFPI code at all.

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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:49 pm 
 

As it goes, the guy has refunded me for my copy and says not to worry returning it - as I said earlier we've been trading together for years so there's mutual trust (plus, I forwarded on this thread as proof). Such a pain in the ass trying to work out what's legit and whats bootleg these days - bootleggers are getting more and more inventive it seems. Now you can't even rely on matrixes being correct. I wouldn't have questioned it if it wasn't for the lack of IFPI.
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ptrocks
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:45 am 
 

I just placed my copy for sale here: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/58811113

I bought mine in 1995/1996 soon after it came out, 101% original.

I accept paypal or bank transfer, registered shipping from portugal to europe is around 6 eur. (includes tracking number)

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Morfiend
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:30 pm 
 

Just got some vinyl copies of this on clear, they look really nice.

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Kristenhat666
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:40 am 
 

Greetings everyone,
to put an end to the lies and ripping off once and for all, I have purchased a cheap but SEALED copy of the bootleg. If there is anyone reading this with an original press copy, it would be great to create a detailed photo comparison of the two items. Words and descriptions are nice and all, but many people are still confused and need visuals. I only bought this CD to deal bootleggers a fatal blow. So I ask for your help if you are certain that your copy is the original. Thanks.

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into_the_pit
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:16 am 
 

you guys should check out discogs.com for these pressing discussions.
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Kristenhat666
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:22 am 
 

I was hoping to get a more specific and helpful reply... where on Discogs? Is there a photo comparison? Because many sellers are selling this bootleg as a first pressing there!

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Everflowingstream
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:42 am 
 

I got $100 for my copy about ten years back. Still got the lp. Really enjoyed this album when it was released, haven't listened to it in years though.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:27 am 
 

Original
https://www.discogs.com/Dimmu-Borgir-Fo ... ase/368846

Bootleg
https://www.discogs.com/Dimmu-Borgir-Fo ... se/4378959

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Kristenhat666
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:40 am 
 

You're right, of course, these are the releases, but I don't think it's enough, because many items sold as the first pressing there are actually the bootleg. And the photos included are definitely not enough to really tell the two apart. We need clear and large photos side by side, to make sure nobody gets confused.

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into_the_pit
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:50 am 
 

in any way, put it here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92986
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SlevinKelevra
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:40 pm 
 

the artwork on the bootleg is slightly cropped in.

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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:17 pm 
 

Well I was certainly not expecting to see a thread I made nearly five years ago alive and kicking again. SERIOUS NECROMANCY ALERT. This question was asked when the info was sketchy on discogs and there was no bootleg thread. Time to let it die methinks...
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Kristenhat666
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:27 pm 
 

You would be surprised how many people are buying the bootleg thinking it's the first pressing, and how many are selling the bootleg as the real deal. Words and descriptions are not enough. The truth be told, I am not aware of any clear photos showing the difference between the matrix code of the two. I mean, only the font is different, after all! Yeah, the booklet, as stated by some users already, is a bit cropped in the case of the bootleg, but that is not decisive.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:06 am 
 

ffs there ARE two pics on the two respective release pages on discogs that CLEARLY show the different matrices. do you want people to just re-post them on here? you had better link to them in the bootleg thread, which is where people use and ought to look in the first place anyway.
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Thoth Amon
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:18 am 
 

Just saw on the NWN forum that all copies of this on eBay atm are bootlegs.
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Kristenhat666
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:51 am 
 

@ into the pit: take it easy, man, we're all here because we hate bootlegs/bootleggers (or most of us, at least). I will share the photo comparison as soon as at all possible, for convenience reasons and as a guarantee that nobody gets confused or cheated in the future. If the issue were truly resolved by now, there would not be bootlegs being sold as first pressings (on Discogs too, not just ebay).

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:33 am 
 

Something I noticed about this that was mentioned on here. (that everyone should just take note of when looking at their copies)
The two biggest things on recognizing an authentic.

1: The matrix code has a DIFFRENT font. The original has a more pixelized font with a line through the 0s. The repress has a more casual "ariel" text font.
2: The repress' artwork is cropped a bit.

That matrix font is the biggest way to tell if it's authentic or not.

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