Folks should buy tickets for their gigs and then just not turn up. The band make more money but no one is exposed to their shitty music. The crowd go home happy and the band have their pockets filled, it’s the best possible solution.

Only the strong will survive. Crematory is too weak ಠ_ಠ

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Saw their video, and I don't see how this could sell other than as parody. They look like 70s blues/hippie hobos (nothing wrong per se), playing industrial disco in Versailles. The song isn't bad, perhaps they could write and sell song to Samael, who seem to have run out of ideas.

In their defense, the first single for the last album Monument (''Misunderstood'') also turned out to be one of the weaker tracks on that record which was the band's strongest in almost a decade. The previous guitarist had left after two decades and the band decided to hire two new guitarists for a more massive sound with one of them also performing clean vocals. On the album before that, Antiserum (which wasn't my cup of tea), the band collaborated with an EBM musician who helped with songwriting and sounds. A band that tries out such things so late in its career still seems hungry enough for me and the negative reactions the band got, especially on Facebook and YouTube (''Your music sounds like shit, go and retire already!''), are exaggerated and insulting. But that's the internet, society's trash bin where most people say things they wouldn't dare say to others in person. I certainly hope the band carries on but if it doesn't, I will certainly continue enjoying records like Act Seven, Believe and Revolution.

I am fan of crematory, and even though they have lost the magic since "Pray", i do keep supporting them...hoping for a real come back to what I loved so much about them. (there are countless of their own "tradition" throughout their albums, which have disappeared and thus giving me less hype.)
"Antiserum" did made me get back to my hopes, though as their "traditional" elements were there.
But I digress.....



I 200% agree with you. The shout out was very emotional indeed, and it could be more diplomatic. Like I wonder if the German post sounds the same.
I can tell you, from the German people I know, its a German thing to go "All Out Rage" and less "Diplomacy".
I do not want to offend any german person who is a member by saying that. But from the people I know dearly, its very common with all of them sharing those same traits.

The gurning from all the members in that video

At this point, this band deserves everyone's ridicule, not sympathy, let alone money.

Been watching a lot of music videos from bands like this as a "joke" and I just don't see an ounce of appeal in it. Never been into "gothic metal" but to act like the metal scene isn't doing pretty good now is really silly. I hope they break up so better bands who deserve the attention can get it.

"I'm self-employed and it's the customers' fault I'm not making enough money"

This. Streaming doesn't pay huge amounts of money, and won't be your band's primary income unless you're a really successful one-person gig, but it sounds more like someone either in the band or at the label is pocketing the money, or not doing due diligence following up with the streaming services. Streaming is in many cases directly responsible for the success of new artists every month.

I don't mind Crematory; in fact, I would say I enjoy some of their albums, even the later ones. But the simple fact is that industrial-gothic metal is not exactly at the height of its popularity anymore, and it definitely isn't bringing in too many new fans these days. Throwing a fit on social media is embarrassing and makes Crematory look out of touch. Blaming their audience for not supporting them enough is just not cool.

Generalization! DISCRIMINATION!
Wait, it's about germans. Then it's okay. Please go on, folks.

I think that is a really shitty attitude. I actually really do enjoy this band's music and buy it all, but I live in Australia and can't afford to go to Europe to see them

There we have it folks: everything that needs to be said in one sentence.

Has anyone sent the band this thread? That'd be a laugh.

I'm sure I've read this exact phrase on a Tom Hess page. Have you signed up for any of his material? just curious.

I still own ...Just Dreaming on CD, and I even replay it from time to time. It always reminded me of Edge of Sanity's early work, where almost-happy synth melodies dance uncomfortably atop melancholic, deathy riffs. The whole thing is unsettling and intensely fascinating. Definitely recommended for fans of Gothic/melodic metal with a tinge of death. Fuckin' BOSS album art too.

I cannot fucking believe how bad they are now. Just wow, the video kluseba posted looks like a desperate cry from the band members to be put out of their misery. I remember being bored out of my mind when listening to any album post-Believe, wondering why the fuck would anyone even listen to these boring, verse-chorus-verse-chorus-chorus and completely uncatchy songs, let alone pay for them. I guess I finally have an answer to the latter but, dear god, 1.5 million streams for a single album? That's the most shocking revelation in this thread.

who the fuck is listening to this

Looking at that recent video I can't help but think Crematory could have a future in Eurovision.

I'm ashamed of and bitterly disappointed with the way the metal community deals with this specific topic. Numerous people who aren't even familiar with Crematory have told the band to split up and die already on FaceBook. Others have said they are fat, ugly, old dudes. One person on YouTube even told the drummer that he is going to come to a concert just to beat the shit out of him. Sadly, these comments are no exceptions and very few people encourage the band. It's okay to disagree with what Markus Jüllich has said and to dislike the music the band plays. Encouraging others to give up on their dreams, to do body shaming and to utter violent threats is in no way acceptable. Never. Maybe the metal community needs its own Me Too movement. People only seem to wake up when it's too late and when someone gets shot on stage or commits suicide.

Some people have asked who even listens to Crematory's music. I do because the band has delivered great records in the past (Act Seven, Believe, Revolution, Pray and even Monument) with outstanding songs (Fly, The Fallen, Greed, Left the Ground, Ravens Calling). The band performs generous live shows that are often two hours and longer. I have attended a festival a few years ago where it rained heavily and instead of staying under the roofing of the stage, the singer actually went closer to the crowd and exposed himself to heavy rain with the fans on the front row. No other band that played this festival had done anything similar. Needless to say that the band takes its time to chat with fans and sign any items that are brought to them after the shows. Most of the band members also regularly attend concerts and festivals when they don't even play there to encourage other groups and especially the gothic community. I have met or seen the singer and the former bass player on at least three separate occasions during festivals. They actually practice what they preach. Crematory might have released a few weaker albums and the new song is certainly not a highlight plus the video is trashy but the band deserves support and respect. Those who don't give the band a chance don't know what they're missing. On the other side, I'm quite glad though to be fan of a band that naturally repulses certain keyboard warrior idiots who intimidate in the shadows of anonymity.

Yeah, but that would involve someone coming to see them... so, it's kind of out of the question now.

Agreed on all accounts.

I'm not a fan of the band, but the level of hate the band gets is staggering. Even here, name calling the band members as "fat" or "old" is really low-life level.

i'm not going to comment on the band itself, but that video is really bad lol.

keyboardist not hot, band no good.

This.



This.



And this.

There are thousands of other ways he could have expressed himself on the matter and come out better. If, instead of blaming the band's fans for the band's commercial failures, he would have focused his message on encouraging metalheads as a group to support their favorite artists, not just Crematory, in a way that really helps them more, like going to shows, buying merch and physical releases and whatnot, he would have made a better impression and would have gotten more people to actually support them. Worst way to try and get to people... really.

I do agree and am getting sick of this too.

Social media is full of trolls and hate.

Like I always say, stick to your website and care about your "customers", not the idiots who don't care about you but are waiting to feast on the next keyboard warrior's victim.

I mean, I get that the music industry sucks now, but you also have to ask if there's demand for what you're selling.

I listened to that video and had to turn it off at about 2 minutes. Unlistenable. And I say this as someone who likes Rob Zombie and Static-X.

Yeah I mean people can be dicks on the internet, but it doesn't mean any artist or band deserves more money and support just because they want it. A lot of people want things. Sometimes it sucks but you just don't get the level of it that you want.

Not supporting an artist is fine. Telling the artist that his comments were exaggerated is cool. Just ignoring him would also be an option. Telling an artist to give up on his dream, call him a fatso and menace him to put him in the hospital don't have anything to do with this. He's basically being called fat white trash. I'm surprised nobody is calling those people out. Again, this shows the hypocrisy of some people. If the drummer were a woman, transgender or black, there wouldn't be that many types of comments and more people would defend him. Everybody deserves respect, not just minorities. And before you accuse me of anything, I'm part of such a minority myself.

Whilst it may seem counterintuitive, esp to those who've watched a Crematory video, the band may actually do some good. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8996-goth-subculture-may-protect-vulnerable-children/

I mean, does it really even need to be said that people shouldn't say that to other people, whether over the internet or in person? At least as far as the fat/ugly-shaming is concerned.

Asking the band to throw in the towel and seek other lines of work if they're so unhappy with the revenue is hardly abusive. It's actually pretty decent advice, especially since Crematory have been content releasing the exact same records with the exact same uncatchy verse-chorus-verse-chorus-chorus structure for the better part of a decade. Their heart just isn't in it anymore, and hasn't been for a while.

Obviously personal attacks and whatnot against the band members are shitty behavior, but that's nothing new in this case. It's unfortunate but what are you gonna do about it online anyway?

I'm just saying it doesn't make Crematory right in their initial ridiculous plea statement that their fans suck for not supporting them more and all that. They put it out there and this is the reaction they got. Sorry, but tough shit; suck it up. It's the internet.

why bother with these platforms then?
post the album on bandcamp or something, which is known to work as expected. (and, by the way, also allows buyers to get a FLAC, not only a lottery of lossy conversion)

Crematory being a shit band and Germans crying about not getting enough Money for their "hard work", what's new here?

One shouldn't accept bad behavior by saying it's common and nothing can be done against it. It cannot be accepted, should never become common and one has to speak out against it.

I'm just not sure what your point is here - nobody is arguing that it's shitty to attack band members personally, but unless there was some actual criminal actions/threats, all it is is just anonymous randos online posting from the safety of screennames in their bedrooms. Not sure what else you want. It's not letting it become acceptable, but you basically already did all you can do in that regard - I mean it literally here.

And not defending shit or saying it's OK to make violent threats, but random insults and shit talking are just what happens online sometimes, so for those cases, you get what you put out online and there's not much to do.

And the point I was trying to make was that these attacks don't suddenly change the situation and we can still think the band was bullshitting us with their original statements.

Not trying to kick a dead horse, but you guys gotta see this... Lol.

Crematory (Sweden) EP - Denial
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=06bwzE8_fl0

Now scroll down to the comments and you'll find a little somethin' written by Markus himself: "Attention — this is a swedish Coverband and Not the Original Crematory from Germany!"

The Crematory from Sweden was formed in 1989, two years before the Crematory from Germany formed in 1991. To add insult to injury, the Denial EP that Markus slandered came out a month before his band even released their first demo. And "coverband"?! How dishonest can you be? What an unprofessional loser.

First post on the archives and already trying to kick a dead horse...

However, you're right about this. Markus' comment isn't classy and probably a really bad attempt at strange humour. The comments related to his remark are however another fine example of aggressivity and homophobia on the internet.



On a more positive side note, the band has released a new song called ''Cemetary Stillness'':

I've been lurking this topic so I'd like to add a thought.

I have no idea if that account is real and that's actually Markus or not. But if it is then wow, it's definitely a new low for him his band and this entire situation. I too dislike the readiness and easiness of the internet insult, but come on now, how can you advocate any kind of defense after a remark like that? Worse than calling a band that precedes his own a cover band is attacking someone who can't even defend himself (themselves), so how about that for a dick move?!

Seriously though, there are pricks everywhere. Internet just gave them a voice, a set and a stage to be even more openly pricks. Why revel in defending either side when that's the actual game?! People pave their own road and the Internet isn't any different so I've got no sympathy for either side. Fuck both.

And when someone informed him that the Swedish band actually came first, he said "but not successful". I mean, given the current situation it seems the German one isn't too successful either ...to me it's mindblowing someone in a band like this could have such an ego - really even "classic" metal assholes like Dave Mustaine or Glen Benton would never stoop to this level...how could he be so delusional after so many years of being in a band which has literally always been at most a second (or even third) tier band. Perhaps it's a defense mechanism, to avoid facing the harsh reality.

Crematory's drummer Markus Jullich has now published a video where he discusses his comments and its controversial reactions. He states that about two thirds of the comments were positive and thanks his fans for their support. He also states that the other third were negative comments and mostly posted by haters and trolls. Jullich admits that he responded to some harsh statements in an equally harsh way which is logical to him. He compares his hard attitude with the hard music the band makes. He thanks those who have issued negative remarks for their attention and states that they did a better job in making Crematory more popular than any marketing strategy. He hopes the fans will buy the new record legally and attend one of the concerts to have a great evening with the band. The full video in German can be seen below.

Little off-topic story: I know from first hand that there was a pussy-like physical confrontation between Deicide and Amon (Switzerland) when they played together in 1995. The problem was obviously the formerly identical bandname, which is even more funny when you think that Deicide had to change their name from pressure of RR because of a King Diamond song on "Conspiracy".

This shows how serious the bandname business was back then, before the internet.

He seems to get it, with how hard attitudes come with hard music. I'll agree about the publicity, too - I checked out their new stuff because of this. However, the unfortunate truth is that their new music is terrible and most of the people who checked it out thought it was bad.

The album has been released today. The band has also released a new track which I really like a lot: